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A7RVI MAX SHUTTER SPEED 1/8000

  
 
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RoamingScott wrote:
Every other post in the last page has been how the Sunny 16 rule says this shouldn't be needed, including yours.

Have YOU shot the 85/1.2? I have. Nick has.


Read my post and don't misread it. I never said it shouldn't be needed and explicitly said otherwise. I took the sunny 16 rule as a baseline approximation of exposure and specifically acknowledged the right exposure could be different. When you criticize don't mischaracterize. That is what you are doing here.

Edit: No I have not shot the Nikon 85 f/1.2. It wasn't even made when I last shot Nikon (I had the Z7 so it was a few years ago, but less than 5). And by the way, I tried to be careful to both thank Nick for his post and his experience and to respect that experience. At the same time, I was also arguing that further testing on this issue to know just when 1/8000 will be limiting and will not be limiting would be a good thing. Until that testing is done, however, it will be a bit of a gray area.



Jul 13, 2026 at 10:37 AM
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p.5 #2 · A7RVI MAX SHUTTER SPEED 1/8000


This is turning into one of those bizarre threads in which two groups don’t seem to be able to see past their own biases, and take that as a launching pad to call the other guy an idiot.

Can we agree that:

1. Some people have a legitimate need (or at least find value in) shutter speeds faster than 1/8000 second.

2. Most people do not have a need for shutter speeds that high.

3. If you need a faster shutter speed there are cameras that can provide it.

4. If you don’t need a faster shutter speed, this is an insignificant issue for your camera selection.

5. For some, the occasional use of a ND filter will be a better option that buying a more expensive Sony camera with a faster shutter speed.

See, it isn’t that hard.

By the way, I don’t think anyone is _recommending_ the use of the old-school “sunny 16 rule” — just using it as a convenient shorthand to think about exposure needs. In truth, there are situations in which even those who might apply that rule will need a faster shutter speed, such as a subject with a lot of very bright highlights that warrant a shorter exposure.

Is anyone else as tired of the continuous insult-slinging by a subset of posters around here? Is it not possible to discuss an issue rationally around here any more?



Jul 13, 2026 at 10:57 AM
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p.5 #3 · A7RVI MAX SHUTTER SPEED 1/8000


Facts.

IF you shoot an f1.2 lens wide open in a daylight setting, you will need one of two things and probably want both for separate reasons/situations -- and they are:

1) a shutter speed of 1/32,000th* for ISO 100 and 1/16,000th for ISO 50/64 base cameras; AND/OR
2) a 3-stop ND filter for said lens.

*Caveat: Some locations are actually brighter than Sunny 16 by a full stop *or more*. Notably Southern latitude regions in clear air conditions like Phoenix or San Antonio or Santa Fe; or high altitude locations in clear air like the Sierra Nevadas or Colorado Rockies. So here, even a desire for 1/128,000th could be justified... (Hence my condition above for including the 3-stop ND filter in addition to the 1/32,000th shutter speed.)


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gdanmitchell wrote:
Is anyone else as tired of the continuous insult-slinging by a subset of posters around here? Is it not possible to discuss an issue rationally around here any more?


Dan, while I agree with your main points, I think discussion about the reasons why some folks want or even feel the need for more than 1/8000th is definitely worthwhile -- even though it may be a bit more spirited than it needs to be

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Jul 13, 2026 at 11:13 AM
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Donzo98 wrote:
I was very surprised to see the max shutter speed was only 1/8000 even in electronic shutter. I don't see many posts that mention it...

I have needed more than 1/8000 occasionally.... and I was happy to have up to 1/32000 on my A1/II.

Does this bother anyone??



Doesn't bother me.
From my catalog, and just counting photos from my A9 and A1, only 1.2% where shot at > 1/8000
Most of these were my daughter competing at beach volleyball. If I were doing that with my A7RVI, I would just use an ND or CPL or stop down but she doesn't compete anymore so I don't have to worry about it.
A handful were portraits in full sun at f/1.2. Same solution.
If I was a pro, then I'd shoot the A1II.



Jul 13, 2026 at 11:26 AM
 


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Steve Spencer wrote:
Thanks for this example. It is helpful. Can I ask what camera you were using and the ISO on those shots? I ask because most Nikon cameras have a base ISO of 64, which should get you by the sunny 16 rule shutter speed a good exposure even with f/1.4 lens at 1/8000. So if you were shooting over 1/8000 and ISO 64 I am wondering why the camera was selecting such a high shutter speed. Maybe all the faster shutter speeds were all with the 85 f/1.2. Then there is the question of what would have happened if
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ISO 64 for all but 3 of them. Camera was set to highlight metering with +.3 EV. Most of the higher speed shots were with the 28mm 1.4 @1.4 shot low and some of that is the camera protecting the sky, but not always. Sometimes it's just sweaty runners in bright spots and the camera is protecting spectral highlights that I definitely want it to retain to be able to keep textures. None of the shots are crazy underexposed. But that ISO 64 is giving me 2/3rds of a stop over the A7RVI's ISO 100. For the Z8, at ISO 64, I really need to be looking at any shots at or over 1/6400th as being potentially overexposed on the A7RVI. In that case, we're talking 75 of those 230 shots needing an ND. And just to reiterate, that's sun at 6:30ish PM, not noon.

I bought the A7RVI knowing this. It's just an odd choice by Sony. Anything shot at 1.2 at 1/8000 is usually likely recoverable (although my experience so far is that the A7RVI doesn't have as much highlight recovery as some other cameras), but giving users one more stop to 1/16000 would have made a ton of sense if the sensor can do it. Why not? There will be times 1.2 lenses need an ND with this camera or will have to stop down. I own the aforementioned Voightlander f1, but admit that's a fringe case. A 50mm 1.2 GM in daylight isn't. I'm not bashing Sony at all. Maybe there is some technical reason the camera still can't beat the A7RV's shutter speeds in ES, but on paper, it definitely seems like a deliberate choice rather than a technical limitation.

The A9iii had a similar situation at its release, but that seemed to be more of a real technical limitation. The base ISO was 250, but 1.2 lenses capped out at 1/16,000th. I've not used one since then, but I think Sony actually addressed that with firmware and got the max shutter speed up for fast lenses. I very much doubt we will get an A7RVI update to increase the max ES to 1/16,000 so threads like this are good to inform potential buyers. Similarly, the rolling shutter is VERY real for this camera, and will show up in panning and side tracking shots.



Jul 13, 2026 at 12:02 PM
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I'm not a professional but when I shoot, it's usually a run and gun situation. Many times, I'll be on vacation at a sunny beach with the sun reflecting off the water and I'd be reacting to my daughter running around. I don't always have the luxury of setting up the shot as I want candids. In those situations, I shoot a lot but it isn't the quantity of keepers that drives my efforts but rather the quality of keepers. I didn't know I wanted it until I used it. But to each his own.


Jul 13, 2026 at 12:04 PM
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ISO 64 for all but 3 of them. Camera was set to highlight metering with +.3 EV. Most of the higher speed shots were with the 28mm 1.4 @1.4 shot low and some of that is the camera protecting the sky, but not always. Sometimes it's just sweaty runners in bright spots and the camera is protecting spectral highlights that I definitely want it to retain to be able to keep textures. None of the shots are crazy underexposed. But that ISO 64 is giving me 2/3rds of a stop over the A7RVI's ISO 100. For the Z8, at ISO
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Nick, thanks for this helpful post. I don't know if the 1/8000 is a technical limit or not. It is clear that for you, in shoots like the one you described a faster electronic shutter would be useful. I don't know if the high resolution sensor that is capable of DGO processing (that part is relatively new) has some limits. It is odd that the A7 5 can shoot 1/16,000 in electronic mode and this camera can only shoot 1/8,000. Since this camera is essentially double the resolution, that is processing the same number of pixels over the same length of time, but the lower level camera still has a better capability than the higher level camera. My guess is that it is a technical limitation, but that is only a guess and I make that guess for two reasons. First, Sony typically has not held back features of cameras to create market segmentation. Second, if they held back a feature they could have implemented, then I would have expected them to do so for the A7 5 as well. That said, I really am only guessing.

From a bigger picture perspective this camera does a lot and does a lot in electronic shutter mode. You will face limits at the edge of performance. The max shutter speed is lower than other cameras in Sony's line. The sensor scan speed is lower than for the A1 series and the A9 series, which means you can get some movement distortion. Nevertheless it can still handle bright light well and can handle fast action well. The electronic shutter works for these things quite often and when it doesn't you can work around that by using ND filters or stopping down when the light is too bright, and using the mechanical shutter when the action is too fast.



Jul 13, 2026 at 02:04 PM
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p.5 #8 · A7RVI MAX SHUTTER SPEED 1/8000


Living in Colorado, I always use filters. I carry them for every lens diameter I am carrying. Its just what has to be done. And in this bright place and at this altitude, I get as low of a transmission of CPL I can get. Never needed an ND filter for normal exposures. Longer exposures, sure. But a good, dark CPL will do wonders.


Jul 13, 2026 at 04:23 PM
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