p.1 #1 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
I'm a former A7Riii user, among other various full frame options Sony has had in the past, but I'm mainly a Nikon shooter, so I'm just trying to understand the RX10 V release with it's 1" sensor size. To me it seems bulky, expensive, and a lot of camera for being a 1" sensor, though I get it has a lot of new tech updates from the previous version, the stacked sensor is fast, the lens is sharp...
I know I'm not the target market for this release, so I'm genuinely just wondering who this camera is for, who is the user waiting to preorder this update when there are a huge number of options out there for the same price. I get the X100 series, or the Ricoh's, they are light, small (expensive), the big full frame offerings by Sony, Nikon etc, I get as well. Just wondering what your opinion is on this release.
p.1 #2 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
It's a camera for people that don't post here.
People that want a one-and-done purchase, don't want to faff with removable lenses, and want a LOT of reach in one package. It has a lot of quality of life updates to keep the body and physical interfaces modern. Mostly granddads that post their mediocre bird photos on Facebook because they like going outside more than they like developing their photography skills, and a lot of dads from the Far East, the guys that hit the human tripod pose in front of the Eiffel Tower who want a one and done travel camera.
It's a great deal for those guys, vs trying to pull a MILC system together.
p.1 #3 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
scottfillmer wrote:
I'm a former A7Riii user, among other various full frame options Sony has had in the past, but I'm mainly a Nikon shooter, so I'm just trying to understand the RX10 V release with it's 1" sensor size. To me it seems bulky, expensive, and a lot of camera for being a 1" sensor, though I get it has a lot of new tech updates from the previous version, the stacked sensor is fast, the lens is sharp...
I know I'm not the target market for this release, so I'm genuinely just wondering who this camera is for, who is the user waiting to preorder this update when there are a huge number of options out there for the same price. I get the X100 series, or the Ricoh's, they are light, small (expensive), the big full frame offerings by Sony, Nikon etc, I get as well. Just wondering what your opinion is on this release. ...Show more →
It's not meant to compete with the X100 or Ricoh type compacts. But for what it is, it is quite compact. Even a m43 camera would need a 12-300mm lens to reach the same focal lengths. The Nikon 28-400mm might be considered an alternative, but it is f/8 at the long end, and still has considerably less reach. The Zeiss lens on the Sony is legitimately very good.
Last time I vistited the Tetons and Yellowstone - where there is a mixture of nature, landscape, and wildlife - I only wanted to carry one camera - this (the Mark IV) was perfect. The biggest downside is increased noise in lower light situations, but AI noise reduction does an admirable job on the 1" sensor.
p.1 #6 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
Joseph Marney wrote:
Well, shit.
HAHA...
Well I get all that I was just in the mindset of the countless APS-C bodies out there too. I know there are a lot of people who love the 1" sensor, I'm just not one of them, mainly because if I didn't want to lug around my FF Z6iii I'd grab my Z30 (or translate to any current manufacturer out there now... I love the full frame, I can tolerate the APS-C, but if I'm picking up a 1" that runs the same price as my full frame I might as well grab my iPhone, it's close enough to a 1" now.
I know Sony has done their maths and knows there is x-market for this camera and they can sell x-number and make x-profit, I'm just not the x-person. I want Nikon to release a compact point-n-shoot full frame fixed lens for that price, otherwise I've got other options.
p.1 #7 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
I don't think the VAST majority of potential buyers interested in the camera care about the size of the sensor at all. All they want is reach in an easy to use package.
p.1 #8 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
scottfillmer wrote:
HAHA...
Well I get all that I was just in the mindset of the countless APS-C bodies out there too. I know there are a lot of people who love the 1" sensor, I'm just not one of them, mainly because if I didn't want to lug around my FF Z6iii I'd grab my Z30 (or translate to any current manufacturer out there now... I love the full frame, I can tolerate the APS-C, but if I'm picking up a 1" that runs the same price as my full frame I might as well grab my iPhone, it's close enough to a 1" now.
I know Sony has done their maths and knows there is x-market for this camera and they can sell x-number and make x-profit, I'm just not the x-person. I want Nikon to release a compact point-n-shoot full frame fixed lens for that price, otherwise I've got other options....Show more →
Totally get it if a smaller sensor isn't your bag of chips. But consider mounting a lens to your Z30 with this reach. It becomes ergonomically weird. Composing at 600mm equiv without a viewfinder sounds like murder.
If Nikon came out with a full-frame compact, the focal range (if a zoom) would be very limited.
Anyway, it sounds like you do actually understand this camera - but maybe not the price. It's a linear price with the former model, adjusted for inflation. I personally wouldn't replace an ILC with this camera, but it is positioned well for what it does.
p.1 #9 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
It's a bridge camera. What's to understand about it? It has a demographic, it's probably the best thing you'll be allowed to bring into a concert venue as a pedestrian. It's an all in one budget bridge camera. Nikon and Sony have been making these for over a decade.
p.1 #12 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
RoamingScott wrote:
It's a camera for people that don't post here.
People that want a one-and-done purchase, don't want to faff with removable lenses, and want a LOT of reach in one package. It has a lot of quality of life updates to keep the body and physical interfaces modern. Mostly granddads that post their mediocre bird photos on Facebook because they like going outside more than they like developing their photography skills, and a lot of dads from the Far East, the guys that hit the human tripod pose in front of the Eiffel Tower who want a one and done travel camera.
It's a great deal for those guys, vs trying to pull a MILC system together....Show more →
I don’t often agree with Scott, but I think he’s right. The people I see sometimes with these clunkers obviously don’t mind carrying a large camera as long as it delivers the perceived flexibility of the zoom range (and I assume they’re not after supreme sharpness, noise reduction or resolution in the final files).
Or maybe they’re just smarter than us and admit to themselves they’re not going to print large anyways
p.1 #13 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
Forget about pricing, it’s the camera I want to have when I causally walk my dog in a park a couple of blocks away, my birder ID app can identify the sound of a dozen different kinds of birds within 10 minutes but I rarely have my proper camera and 100-400 with me when I do my daily dog walks.
Nobody discusses Nikon bridge cameras with “2000mm” lens here but they are relatively popular among bird watchers… exactly those people who don’t post in FM.
Shoot and process carefully, 1” sensor can still deliver decent images. Certainly not full frame quality but not every image is art and has to be printed large. Sometimes i just upload photos to animal observation app.
p.1 #14 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
This is the very much "good enough" for tons of people who will be going to "Yellowstone" or "Once in a lifetime" "Africa trip" that they or their friends find their ways to these forums and ask about. They just want a picture of the critters without needing to be close enough to be the star of the next airborne or stomped tourist video.
p.1 #16 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
scottfillmer wrote:
I'm a former A7Riii user, among other various full frame options Sony has had in the past, but I'm mainly a Nikon shooter, so I'm just trying to understand the RX10 V release with it's 1" sensor size. To me it seems bulky, expensive, and a lot of camera for being a 1" sensor, though I get it has a lot of new tech updates from the previous version, the stacked sensor is fast, the lens is sharp...
I know I'm not the target market for this release, so I'm genuinely just wondering who this camera is for, who is the user waiting to preorder this update when there are a huge number of options out there for the same price. I get the X100 series, or the Ricoh's, they are light, small (expensive), the big full frame offerings by Sony, Nikon etc, I get as well. Just wondering what your opinion is on this release. ...Show more →
It's for you, but you just don't know it yet. There is no other camera like this. I have the IV version which I got used at 30% off. It has incredible video features, high fps slow motion, unbeatable zoom range with a quality zoom lens, photo features of a grown up camera, leaf shutter syncing with a flash at 1/2000s, lightning fast autofocus, it's weather sealed. The list goes on. It's just one of a kind tool.
p.1 #17 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
scottfillmer wrote:
I'm a former A7Riii user, among other various full frame options Sony has had in the past, but I'm mainly a Nikon shooter, so I'm just trying to understand the RX10 V release with it's 1" sensor size. To me it seems bulky, expensive, and a lot of camera for being a 1" sensor, though I get it has a lot of new tech updates from the previous version, the stacked sensor is fast, the lens is sharp...
I know I'm not the target market for this release, so I'm genuinely just wondering who this camera is for, who is the user waiting to preorder this update when there are a huge number of options out there for the same price. I get the X100 series, or the Ricoh's, they are light, small (expensive), the big full frame offerings by Sony, Nikon etc, I get as well. Just wondering what your opinion is on this release. ...Show more →
I used to carry an RX100 - and you can get good results out of a 1" sensor if the light is decent. But back in the day, my equivalent for the RX10 was this (E-M5v3 + 100-300mm - just under 1 kg): https://camerasize.com/compact/#835.35,ha,t
This has equivalent reach and is slightly lighter (but you need to change lenses to go below 200mm equivalent)
These days I carry this (A7CR + 50-300mm - about 1.2 kg): https://camerasize.com/compact/#911.1159,ha,t
Not quite as wide but you can think of it as a DIY bridge camera that starts at 61mpix at 50mm and ends up at 15mpix 600mm f12 reach wise.
The Oly+lens combo can be gotten substantially cheaper than the RX10 (there is an OM version of the 5mk3 now) and gives you precap (though no AI bird mode). I think I'd prefer it over the Sony RX10 solution if birds were my main subject. The OM-2, Panny 100-300 and OM 12-45 f4 all together cost less than the RX10, too. Certainly less convenient, but arguably more fun (though YMMV there especially) and more capable (bigger sensor in particular). I'd also trust the weather resistance of the Oly solution more than the unrated RX10.
The A7CR is great but obviously somewhat more expensive and a little heavier (though only about 100g - which is less than I would have thought for going all the way from 1" to FF). I mainly wanted to stop having to deal with two different systems and getting it accomplished that.
p.1 #18 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
I have four high end Sony cameras, a GFX100S II, and about 30 well-chosen lenses. I usually shoot some images with this gear several times a week.
But I am possibly interested in getting the RX10 V as a travel cam and easy to take along camera on various occasions. It provides a lot of flexibility and quality in a reasonable size package and has many advantages over a phone. I can see myself sometimes being in the mood to use it, just as I am sometimes in the mood to go out with just a single prime lens. I am more interested in composition, lighting, and getting the moment right than I am in which gear I am using.
The RX10 V, like most cameras, is capable of making excellent photographs in the hands of a good photographer, with a great deal of flexibility. It reminds me that Sebastião Salgado, despite the range of gear he had access to and used, would often go about with two DSLR bodies with two large zooms--the two combined being his version of a bridge camera.
p.1 #19 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
Joseph Marney wrote:
Totally get it if a smaller sensor isn't your bag of chips. But consider mounting a lens to your Z30 with this reach. It becomes ergonomically weird. Composing at 600mm equiv without a viewfinder sounds like murder.
If Nikon came out with a full-frame compact, the focal range (if a zoom) would be very limited.
Anyway, it sounds like you do actually understand this camera - but maybe not the price. It's a linear price with the former model, adjusted for inflation. I personally wouldn't replace an ILC with this camera, but it is positioned well for what it does. ...Show more →
So true on the Z30 mine has a standard prime on it always, I’ve put a Z 24-120 on it and it’s absurd. I love that there are so many small-light options available now, I just haven’t paid too much attention to the sub-apsc sensors. I’ve owned, and liked, cameras from every manufacturer but never really found a sweet spot in a compact camera space. This one has so much tech packed into it, I think it’s the lens that throws me off a bit.
p.1 #20 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
Knut. wrote:
Maybe you haven‘t understood the concept of the Nikon P950—and the P1100?
The RX 10 V is the up market answer to these cameras.
Yeah this nailed it, the P950 and P1100… I know every lens and body in their lineup history in DSLR/Z but not anything about those. I should, just haven’t paid attention. Thx.
