p.2 #1 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
I don’t understand the desire for a Z9 or X100 or a Leica of any kind but I don’t need to understand it. What I do understand is that others like these things so, as long as there is a market, they get made.
p.2 #2 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
scottfillmer wrote:
I'm a former A7Riii user, among other various full frame options Sony has had in the past, but I'm mainly a Nikon shooter, so I'm just trying to understand the RX10 V release with it's 1" sensor size. To me it seems bulky, expensive, and a lot of camera for being a 1" sensor, though I get it has a lot of new tech updates from the previous version, the stacked sensor is fast, the lens is sharp...
I know I'm not the target market for this release, so I'm genuinely just wondering who this camera is for, who is the user waiting to preorder this update when there are a huge number of options out there for the same price. I get the X100 series, or the Ricoh's, they are light, small (expensive), the big full frame offerings by Sony, Nikon etc, I get as well. Just wondering what your opinion is on this release. ...Show more →
It's for normal people not much into photography yet want to capture wildlife or distant subjects and get decent IQ. For example it would be good for a safari and much more compact and easier to use than an interchangeable lens camera. It might be good for some sports for parents.
If you don't need the reach of a big tele there are better compact camera options in APS-C.
p.2 #3 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
EB-1 wrote:
It's for normal people not much into photography yet want to capture wildlife or distant subjects and get decent IQ. For example it would be good for a safari and much more compact and easier to use than an interchangeable lens camera. It might be good for some sports for parents.
If you don't need the reach of a big tele there are better compact camera options in APS-C.
EBH
I agree. RX10 series has been extremely popular among nature lovers who are not so much into photography. It is capable of taking a picture of a wide landscape and a fairly distant bird. Quite compelling package in its own right. Image quality is also much better than one would expect.
That being said, I take photography much too seriously to be excited about RX10V. It is too much built on previous version, for an example still having the raw limitations. And no pre capture?? Had it been a little better I might have traded my too little used 200-600G for it.
p.2 #4 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
Such a simple equation.
Used RX10IV prices have been high.
So Sony, who has more than a passing interest in making profit, re releases the camera with a few updates and an up price.
Money for (not much more than) nothing.
p.2 #5 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
RoamingScott wrote:
It's a camera for people that don't post here.
People that want a one-and-done purchase, don't want to faff with removable lenses, and want a LOT of reach in one package. It has a lot of quality of life updates to keep the body and physical interfaces modern. Mostly granddads that post their mediocre bird photos on Facebook because they like going outside more than they like developing their photography skills, and a lot of dads from the Far East, the guys that hit the human tripod pose in front of the Eiffel Tower who want a one and done travel camera.
It's a great deal for those guys, vs trying to pull a MILC system together....Show more →
It's actually a pretty good camera too. I've owned both the RX10 II and IV. It's a shame that Sony didn't design a newer sensor, considering important advances have been made over the past decade. Other than that, I will get the V, and it's not because I don't have an ILC; I do, but for vacation, this is a good one-camera to bring.
p.2 #6 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
Joseph Marney wrote:
It's not meant to compete with the X100 or Ricoh type compacts. But for what it is, it is quite compact. Even a m43 camera would need a 12-300mm lens to reach the same focal lengths. The Nikon 28-400mm might be considered an alternative, but it is f/8 at the long end, and still has considerably less reach. The Zeiss lens on the Sony is legitimately very good.
Last time I vistited the Tetons and Yellowstone - where there is a mixture of nature, landscape, and wildlife - I only wanted to carry one camera - this (the Mark IV) was perfect. The biggest downside is increased noise in lower light situations, but AI noise reduction does an admirable job on the 1" sensor. ...Show more →
I'll give credit to Nikon for at least trying to make a superzoom, but it's much bigger and heavier. I feel like 1" is really the perfect size for travel. It won't match or beat APS-C/FF, but the IQ is pretty good. I always shoot RAW, and as AI-denoise algorithms improve, it'll yield better results. I have no qualms shooting ISO 12,800. I wish Sony would have given us 25,600 or even 51,200. I'm really not worried about noise.
p.2 #7 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
scottfillmer wrote:
HAHA...
Well I get all that I was just in the mindset of the countless APS-C bodies out there too. I know there are a lot of people who love the 1" sensor, I'm just not one of them, mainly because if I didn't want to lug around my FF Z6iii I'd grab my Z30 (or translate to any current manufacturer out there now... I love the full frame, I can tolerate the APS-C, but if I'm picking up a 1" that runs the same price as my full frame I might as well grab my iPhone, it's close enough to a 1" now.
I know Sony has done their maths and knows there is x-market for this camera and they can sell x-number and make x-profit, I'm just not the x-person. I want Nikon to release a compact point-n-shoot full frame fixed lens for that price, otherwise I've got other options....Show more →
You really need to try out the RX10 series before you dismiss it. There's a tradeoff with a bigger sensor. IQ is pretty good these days, so I don't see an advantage to bringing a full-frame camera on vacation. I'm sure you can get a good second-hand RX10 for a good price if you're curious.
p.2 #8 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
JadedWriter wrote:
It's a bridge camera. What's to understand about it? It has a demographic, it's probably the best thing you'll be allowed to bring into a concert venue as a pedestrian. It's an all in one budget bridge camera. Nikon and Sony have been making these for over a decade.
Nikon's bridge cameras aren't competitive with Sony. I don't think Sony's pricing is too bad when adjusted for inflation. I really love the RX10 and RX100 series. A lot of people have waited almost a decade for these updates. Again, it's a shame that Sony didn't update the sensor. The lens is good enough already, but as I always say, if Sony could make it better, then please. Maybe the VI will have a brand new sensor if the V has good sales volume.
p.2 #9 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
chiron wrote:
I have four high end Sony cameras, a GFX100S II, and about 30 well-chosen lenses. I usually shoot some images with this gear several times a week.
But I am possibly interested in getting the RX10 V as a travel cam and easy to take along camera on various occasions. It provides a lot of flexibility and quality in a reasonable size package and has many advantages over a phone. I can see myself sometimes being in the mood to use it, just as I am sometimes in the mood to go out with just a single prime lens. I am more interested in composition, lighting, and getting the moment right than I am in which gear I am using.
The RX10 V, like most cameras, is capable of making excellent photographs in the hands of a good photographer, with a great deal of flexibility. It reminds me that Sebastião Salgado, despite the range of gear he had access to and used, would often go about with two DSLR bodies with two large zooms--the two combined being his version of a bridge camera.
p.2 #10 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
tuomkok wrote:
I agree. RX10 series has been extremely popular among nature lovers who are not so much into photography. It is capable of taking a picture of a wide landscape and a fairly distant bird. Quite compelling package in its own right. Image quality is also much better than one would expect.
That being said, I take photography much too seriously to be excited about RX10V. It is too much built on previous version, for an example still having the raw limitations. And no pre capture?? Had it been a little better I might have traded my too little used 200-600G for it.
No free lunches. Everything is a compromise...Show more →
p.2 #11 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
lsquare wrote:
You really need to try out the RX10 series before you dismiss it. There's a tradeoff with a bigger sensor. IQ is pretty good these days, so I don't see an advantage to bringing a full-frame camera on vacation. I'm sure you can get a good second-hand RX10 for a good price if you're curious.
Agreed! I wasn’t so much trying to be dismissive as I was curious. I’ve loved all the a7’s I’ve shot with over the years, super IQ but always massive focus on sensor size and resolution. I know a lot of people love the 1” and m4/3 just haven’t tried any in all my years of shooting.
p.2 #12 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
scottfillmer wrote:
Agreed! I wasn’t so much trying to be dismissive as I was curious. I’ve loved all the a7’s I’ve shot with over the years, super IQ but always massive focus on sensor size and resolution. I know a lot of people love the 1” and m4/3 just haven’t tried any in all my years of shooting.
I might still be in the minority here, but I don't believe IQ and noise are a major problem. In practice, most people won't be able to tell the difference, and denise software continues to get better. Just look at what's possible today versus what was available a decade ago. Just shoot RAW and I have no doubt we'll be able to bring new life to these images in the future. As I said earlier, I wished Sony increased the ISO range. I'm honestly not scared of 12,800 or 51,200 in any format. I'd rather have a noisy picture than no picture. Noise will be solved one way or another. I'm also under 40, so I'm pretty sure I'll live long enough to see my assertions validated.
p.2 #13 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
While its not for me anymore, I think a 1" sensor camera can get pretty good result nowadays shooting raw and pushed the ISO out if you want to use it for low light. The size while not compact is still hugely smaller than a 600mm equiv lens for even a M43 system camera.....
p.2 #14 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
lsquare wrote:
I might still be in the minority here, but I don't believe IQ and noise are a major problem. In practice, most people won't be able to tell the difference, and denise software continues to get better. Just look at what's possible today versus what was available a decade ago. Just shoot RAW and I have no doubt we'll be able to bring new life to these images in the future. As I said earlier, I wished Sony increased the ISO range. I'm honestly not scared of 12,800 or 51,200 in any format. I'd rather have a noisy picture than no picture. Noise will be solved one way or another. I'm also under 40, so I'm pretty sure I'll live long enough to see my assertions validated....Show more →
I suspect that many users will be shooting jpegs in this type of camera.
p.2 #15 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
Any general negativity about 1" sensors purely based on their size need a recalibration based on what is happening in the action cam and drone world (though not applicable to THIS camera).
That is a space with REAL innovation happening in it, vs the boring CMOS MILC/Bridge market.
p.2 #16 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
RoamingScott wrote:
Any general negativity about 1" sensors purely based on their size need a recalibration based on what is happening in the action cam and drone world (though not applicable to THIS camera).
That is a space with REAL innovation happening in it, vs the boring CMOS MILC/Bridge market.
The Mavic 4 has an insane 100MP 1" sensor.
Would LOVE to see this camera (and the RX100) with the 100MP sensor in it. Too bad...
p.2 #17 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
lightskyland wrote:
The Mavic 4 has an insane 100MP 1" sensor.
Would LOVE to see this camera (and the RX100) with the 100MP sensor in it. Too bad...
Probably just a matter of time. The funny thing is the Mavic 100mp sensor has a faster readout speed than the A7RVI so it COULD theoretically hold its own in a camera.
p.2 #19 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
I am thinking of getting one. Sometimes taking a big lens when you have no intention of shooting but run into something, or just getting older and dont want the weight. Weight will hurt after many years of carrying cameras.
p.2 #20 · I Don't Understand the Sony RX10 V Release
The Mavic 4 has a Quad Bayer 100MP sensor.
Sony A7SIII has a Quad Bayer 48MP sensor which produces 12MP output.
I think Sony used is as they had it.
The Mavic probably uses Quad Bayer for it's advantage of being able to take 2 exposures, so it's like a 25MP Bayer sensor with improved noise / dynamic range and at the same time sounds great for marketing purposes.
Many smart phones use 48MP Quad Bayers and I think that's mainly for marketing. Sounds better then 12MP right?
For actual photography use, I don't think anyone wants a Quad Bayer.
lightskyland wrote:
The Mavic 4 has an insane 100MP 1" sensor.
Would LOVE to see this camera (and the RX100) with the 100MP sensor in it. Too bad...
