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p.3 #1 · Zeiss 35mm 1.4 zm still my preferred 35


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Used in the 1k to 1.3k


I bought used, at about $1K IIRC.



Jan 24, 2026 at 08:14 PM
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I got mine used just shy of £1K (a little over half the price of new - and with current conversion around $1350) quite recently in the UK, but it looked like new with box and hood.

Lovely lens. Sharpness at f1.4 is very nice to have.

I'm using it on Sony A7cII at the moment. I got the PCX filter too, bit of a compromise but why not. I don't have a native M mount camera.

Been trying to find an adaptor that would work with the PCX for infinity focussing without removing a shim (so I can easily use it on film in the future also) but after trying about 12, I gave up. Think I'll just use it for digital though the thought crossed my mind to get two. I'll see if/when I get a film M and try some of the smaller ones out first.

Thinking about LLL 11873 / CV 35 1.4 II for film.

I did go through a long thread with the zm 35/1.4 on film, there's like 20 pages of samples but it's a different forum I came across while googling and I don't know the rules on that. Was a weird film available mostly in Asia (resistant to heat or something) anyway. Looked good though.

I don't miss my 40-50s when I take this 35. Which is a bit weird.

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A7cii






It doesn't need the hood, I found flare resistance to be good.

I'm always carrying in a wotoncraft pilot 2L with quick opening, not around my neck. Just about fits with the PCX.
It would be nice if it was a little shorter anyway, but it's not bad for me. If I want small I'll take the TTA 40/2 on digital (sony), which is actually around 37mm focal length.



Jan 24, 2026 at 09:51 PM
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p.3 #3 · Zeiss 35mm 1.4 zm still my preferred 35


I had one for a brief time in 2016 that I used with a techart adapter on my Nikon D800. I remember it being sort of heavy but not as large as my other Nikon lenses. I ended up selling it because in 2016 the techart AF was so spotty and I didn't want to manual focus it, but I've never gotten over the images it produced.

Fast forward to 2022 when I got my first M camera. Not sure I would want something that heavy when I'm so accustomed to small and light with either my 35 APO or 35 steel rim reissue. Who knows maybe I'll go for it again.








Jan 24, 2026 at 10:38 PM
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p.3 #4 · Zeiss 35mm 1.4 zm still my preferred 35


just shot this today. wide open at 1.4. Considering this is a 35, that bokeh is pretty impressive.







full size here:

https://www.purerangefinder.com/photo/6000133-Rangefinder-photo



Jan 24, 2026 at 10:58 PM
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Beautiful lens and wide open the bokeh is amazing, but since purchasing it in 2016, I’ve rarely used it due to size, but have used various smaller lenses since. This is a strange mindset that I seem to apply only to ‘M’ cameras. My primary system is now medium format with zoom lenses. The Zeiss is small in retrospect.


Jan 24, 2026 at 11:22 PM
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p.3 #6 · Zeiss 35mm 1.4 zm still my preferred 35


We've been looking at bokeh before the digital era, closely in fact, and that is one reason behind the unending fascination cine/video has for 'vintage' lenses, even from the 80s and 90s.

How do you rate the bokeh in p.2 #15? (I checked and discovered the M7 is a film camera). Many do not enjoy double lining even as a suggestion, and the blanket...the general sense of the (2014 release) ZM's bokeh is that of modern digital Zeiss - a strongly drawn subject backgrounded quickly by well advanced abstraction across the frame, with scant definition of (rather blotchy) image motifs.

Stopped down, it looks fine, of course, with excellent MTF. And the look is not without great merit, but it's hard to agrree OOF is one of them. (Just an opinion, if different from others.)



Jan 25, 2026 at 12:48 AM
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I didn't compare them extensively but I did do a scene with a troublesome background (chaotic marble kitchen-top) with both the 40/1.2 nokton and 35/1.4 distagon and the nokton certainly had smoother bokeh. Zeiss more pop.

I like both. And I think I agree with the comment about "when the Zeiss hits...".

I think it hits often too but I've been on a sidequest sorting out film cameras and lenses since I got it and it's turning into a part-time job getting everything in place.


I watched a comparison with the fle that seemed quite detailed:



Talks about a bit smoother bokeh and less onion ring on the distagon, more muted blacks on the fle. Distagon a little sharper centrally, less mid-zone dip, little more modern and poppy, less flaring.

He also touches on this "pickup" on the highlights with the FLE and mentioned it helped with the colours in low light. I found the Simera 50 to have the same exact thing with the highlights and noted the benefit in low light too. Said the Distagon can be a bit too yellow in low light.

Says that the biggest differences are in the handling but also mentions at the end that in real world use the size difference is less apparent. I never tried the fle but it's quite a nice comparison with samples from both.

Haven't been sold on the 35 simera. This reviewer seems to like it, though he mentions the price and the fact that he's a working photographer and that things get damaged with use etc. I wasn't particularly convinced by the samples.

- For film on an M mount I'm leaning towards the summilux, maybe the nokton 1.2. Looks a bit odd though. But really, not sure. CV 35/1.5, 1.4 classic II, LLL 11873. Worry the classic and LLL not sharp enough to be all that useful at wider apertures. 1.5 a bit boring but stopped just a little should be okay. Nokton a bit weird looking. Summilux expensive. Distagon bigger. Summicron flare but is it that much worse than the fle? And the rendering a little depressing sometimes but could just be the scenes/film. No clue. CV 1.5 might be nice with the 50/1.5 as well but maybe it's a boring duo. Compact though.
In the meantime I've been starting to go through the Nikon film 35mm-or-close options: 35/1.4 AIS, mir-24h (35/f2 zeiss flektagon inspired or something - smooth bokeh, long focus throw), CV ultron 40/2. Open to eventually trying the 35/2 ais.

Maybe starting off with the LLL and treating it like a nikon 50/1.4, f2-f2.8 with people, f4+ everything else. Cause perhaps the distagon and fle are a hair too modern on film, not sure. Nokton 1.2 might be a middle-ground.

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Jan 25, 2026 at 06:42 AM
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Leica M7, ZM Distagon 35/1.4, 1/500 f/2.8, Portra 800



Jan 25, 2026 at 08:41 AM
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bwcolor wrote:
Beautiful lens and wide open the bokeh is amazing, but since purchasing it in 2016, I’ve rarely used it due to size, but have used various smaller lenses since. This is a strange mindset that I seem to apply only to ‘M’ cameras. My primary system is now medium format with zoom lenses. The Zeiss is small in retrospect.


I think that sums it up for me as well: I recently sold all but one of my Leica lenses because they were too big and heavy (I kept my 90/4 Elmar LTM from 1947 because I love its character). For me the main attraction of 35mm rangefinder cameras is the small and lightweight package.



Jan 25, 2026 at 09:09 AM
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- For film on an M mount I'm leaning towards the summilux, maybe the nokton 1.2. Looks a bit odd though. But really, not sure. CV 35/1.5, 1.4 classic II, LLL 11873. Worry the classic and LLL not sharp enough to be all that useful at wider apertures. 1.5 a bit boring but stopped just a little should be okay. Nokton a bit weird looking. Summilux expensive. Distagon bigger. Summicron flare but is it that much worse than the fle? And the rendering a little depressing sometimes but could just be the scenes/film. No clue. CV 1.5 might be nice
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This ^ reveals the essence of "quid pro quo" in optics ... everything you do in one direction impacts part of other direction(s).

I noticed long ago that (to a large degree), when that central zone gets ratcheted into the stratosphere of uber-sharpness, the bokeh is at risk for the nervous bokeh thing at certain distances. My 28 AIS was certainly sharper in Zone A than my Oly, but the evenness of my Oly rendering was preferable across all Zones A/B/C. My C/Y ... split the difference. But one example, and the attributes are more than just sharpness, etc. The salient point being, virtually all aspects of optics involve variant forms of quid pro quo.

While I'm a tech sharp junkie ... I find some of the Voigtlander Vintage series to offer a nice balance of many things, where it pertains to sharp vs. render. Imo, folks have to know which is their (primary) objective. Then decide if they want the max possible in that attribute, or something more middle ground. Sometimes, I find it easier to know what I don't want vs. what I do want ... i.e. choose your poison(s).

in the case of the ZM, I'm drawn to it initially, then when I run into its size / nervous bokeh attributes ... my attraction toward putting it in my bag drops. Respect it, but probably not going there right away (someday = ).





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p.3 #11 · Zeiss 35mm 1.4 zm still my preferred 35


wonder how the ZM wide open compares to the Summicron 35 APO wide open (other than huge difference in size/weight)


Jan 25, 2026 at 09:49 AM
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p.3 #12 · Zeiss 35mm 1.4 zm still my preferred 35


I think so too with the voigtlanders finding a nice middle ground.
I probably will go for the nokton 35/1.2 on film.

I'm always optimistic about seeing the results with the Zeiss, occassionaly off-put by a distracting element in the bokeh but often very impressed.

I don't think I'm overselling, it's a brilliant piece of kit to have.

It makes 35mm for photos of people more usable for me wide open - and it's the one doing the heavy lifting in getting a nice image on digital. Nokton 1.2s I have to work a little harder - not a huge amount more, but still. Zeiss it's snap and there's magic. Sometimes an ogre appears in the bushes.

Again, I haven't tried the fle.

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Jan 25, 2026 at 10:08 AM
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Yogifi wrote:
Sometimes an ogre appears in the bushes.


The original photo bomber.



Jan 25, 2026 at 10:11 AM
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Yogifi wrote:
I don't think I'm overselling, it's a brilliant piece of kit to have.


+1 ... just gotta understand the difference(s) between the scalpel and the chisel.

Both are great tools, but they can provide a somewhat different cut, fit for purpose to produce a correspondingly different joint.



Jan 25, 2026 at 10:16 AM
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.....

But it is just a lttle too big even though I probably didnt mind at the time. But after shooting with the M again, I can see it.







yes indeed its heavy...but not as heavy as my 28 Otus :0
I dont mind extra wt on trails (ie flat ones only)...calories go down faster

On a slightly different tangent...I have V35 Apo-Lanthar and Milvus 35 1.4 ZE(big as well)...do I need Zeiss 35 1.4 ZM? (good deals can be found) ...the itch is there, but brain says don't do it

well....I pulled the trigger, 35zm is coming in a few days....now I will face the same dilemma as my wife....what to wear?




Jan 25, 2026 at 05:08 PM
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p.3 #16 · Zeiss 35mm 1.4 zm still my preferred 35


35 zm on date nights all others on casual Mondays


Jan 25, 2026 at 05:58 PM
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p.3 #17 · Zeiss 35mm 1.4 zm still my preferred 35


My ZM 35mm 1.4 competes for a spot on my M10-R with the Voigt 28 2.0 APO. I like the contrast on the Distagon - and to me the Voigtlander has less 'character' wide open. But the 28mm carries a lot easier!

Wide open, with edits




Jan 26, 2026 at 10:35 AM
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bjhurley wrote:
I think that sums it up for me as well: I recently sold all but one of my Leica lenses because they were too big and heavy (I kept my 90/4 Elmar LTM from 1947 because I love its character). For me the main attraction of 35mm rangefinder cameras is the small and lightweight package.


I have the latest 90mm Macro-Elmar which I purchased for size and resolution.. not a character lens. Another very small lens that pretty much stays on one of my film bodies is the Voigtlander Color-Skopar 35mm f/3.5 Aspherical VM Lens. This is the newer, slower Color-Skopar. Again, not character, but gets every bit of resolution from the M11 Monochrom…which isn’t used much as of late. I tend to use sharper, more corrected lenses on film.



Jan 26, 2026 at 11:02 AM
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bjhurley wrote:
I think that sums it up for me as well: I recently sold all but one of my Leica lenses because they were too big and heavy (I kept my 90/4 Elmar LTM from 1947 because I love its character). For me the main attraction of 35mm rangefinder cameras is the small and lightweight package.


This is spot on for me as well. And do to making lenses very small, it introduces trade-offs and character for m. Really the only reason I shoot at Mount lenses at this point is the very small size and the character. Take those two things away, and I don’t see much special about the lenses.

And on that note, also the auto focus lenses of even moderate speed in the 21 to 50 range are just too large for my preference for every day carries— but the TTArtisans 40/2 has been a revelation. It’s the size of compact rangefinder glass, including the adapters. With auto focus.



Jan 26, 2026 at 11:59 AM
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I actually have a pair of the Distagon 35mm f/1,4 ZM lenses. I bought the first one, black in color, pre-owned. I loved it so much I decided to buy the silver-tone version, which would feel less hot to the touch, when shooting in the harsh Texas sunlight. I waited for the anticipated November pricing promotion, to buy the silver-tone lens, spending $300, or perhaps $400 less than the usual new price.

I had thought I would sell or trade my black Distagon, after confirming the quality of the silver-tone Distagon, but, then, could not let it get away from me. I can be sentimental, with optical instruments. Plus, now and then, as a "training exercise, I will shoot with both an M10 and an M Type 246, at the same time.

The size of the Distagon 35 ZM does not bother me. I started Leica M rangefinder shooting with a Summilux-M 50mm ASPH, in 2019. The Distagon 35 ZM is only slightly larger, and, comparable in weight, to the Summilux. Moreover, I like a lens that my healthier left hand can grip, firmly.

On the matter of bokeh/out-of-focus highlights, the Summilux-M 35mm ASPH FLE has fundamentally different character, in this regard, than the Summilux-M 50mm ASPH. The Distagon 35 ZM seems, to my eyes, as the better 35 to complement the Summilux-M 50 ASPH.

Because I "can never have too many 35mm lenses," I would like to add a Summilux 35 FLE, sooner or later, if I am blessed with enough years of productive life. When a human subject fills enough of the scene, and the character of the bokeh, in the background, is not a factor, I just might want to use the FLE's character. (I have test-shot my Distagon, two separate times, at a Leica dealer, against their demonstrator FLE, and a Sixties-vintage Version II Summilux 35.)

Disclaimer: I claim no expertise, and may well remain artless. I was trained as a forensic/evidentiary documentary/crime scene photographer, performed that role for the final 7+ years of my career in police service, and have been trying to recover from that, now, for eight years.




Jan 26, 2026 at 03:03 PM
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