p.2 #1 · Leica announces strategic partnership with Capture One
bwcolor wrote:
We just might find out in 2026.
Yes, I here rumors of a Leica MF camera coming. However this Phase One /C1 collaboration has me a bit concerned about what will actually be coming. If it is just a slightly altered Phase One Leica branded camera I am not as interested as I would be if it was an in house developed camera.
These Leica branded versions of others products has always made me a bit uncomfortable. Examples are Leica branded Sigma lenses at 3 or 4 times the price. Leica branded Panasonic cameras (another such camera rumored to be coming soon)and lenses at much higher prices. Hard to imagine that Leica can sell basically rebranded Phase One cameras and lenses at significantly higher prices than Phase one does. The aggressive pricing from Fuji and Hasselblad on very nice medium format gear has significantly lowered the cost of this format.
Selling mostly brand rather than unique in house developed and manufactured products just feels somehow offensive to me.
p.2 #2 · Leica announces strategic partnership with Capture One
1bwana1 wrote:
Yes, I here rumors of a Leica MF camera coming. However this Phase One /C1 collaboration has me a bit concerned about what will actually be coming. If it is just a slightly altered Phase One Leica branded camera I am not as interested as I would be if it was an in house developed camera.
These Leica branded versions of others products has always made me a bit uncomfortable. Examples are Leica branded Sigma lenses at 3 or 4 times the price. Leica branded Panasonic cameras (another such camera rumored to be coming soon)and lenses at much higher prices. Hard to imagine that Leica can sell basically rebranded Phase One cameras and lenses at significantly higher prices than Phase one does. The aggressive pricing from Fuji and Hasselblad on very nice medium format gear has significantly lowered the cost of this format.
Selling mostly brand rather than unique in house developed and manufactured products just feels somehow offensive to me....Show more →
Surely this is the new Leica S-System medium format camera?
p.2 #3 · Leica announces strategic partnership with Capture One
This is not a big announcement! Leica has been collaborating for years to get tethering to work on Leica SL cameras.
For a working professional in the studio and location, the Capture One tool is a must! The combination of Capturing, Instant preview, Multiple monitor support for clients, remote live galleries, all the same colors on iPad and Desktop, and all the masking and AI retouching tools makes Capture one of the best software out there.
If you are not a professional, LrC is probably a good choice. I am still paying for it, but nothing gravitates me there.
Capture One just increased prices, which is a bummer! The other negative I find where a solution that was never really addressed in years is the HDR merge; the artifacts are just horrible and unusable.
p.2 #5 · Leica announces strategic partnership with Capture One
1bwana1 wrote:
Selling mostly brand rather than unique in house developed and manufactured products just feels somehow offensive to me.
In the vein of half-empty vs. half-full ...
Is the L Alliance a matter of Leica selling Sigma / Panny stuff rebranded, or
A matter of Leica helping develop those products, and allowing Sigma / Panny to offer their versions of such development, in exchange for the manufacturing efficiencies / economies.
I'm inclined to think the relationship is a bit "deeper" than simply slapping someone else's product into a different package, and stick a Red Dot on it.
Case in point ... quite some time ago, I commented on the improvements in Sigma's optics. Specifically, I commented that the drawing style of a certain new lens seemed to take a page from Leica's playbook, and that Sigma was moving the bar significantly from their former self. Likely we'll never know the true depth of the relationship in the L Alliance, but I think it is deeper than the consumer perspective of simply putting a Red Dot on someone else's stuff.
As to the Medium Format ... I've long contended that the SL line is really S lenses (i.e. Medium Format) on an L mount (FF Format), hence the namesake.
To that point, Leica's glass (and Karbe has stated so, as well) is already "Medium Format ready". Thus, I see Leica as having done their own development in this manner (to a degree), and moving into a different alliance for Medium Format ... well, it kinda seems to follow suit with the L Alliance concept that they developed with Sigma / Panny. This time it will just be with a bigger body. Imo, Leica's optical engineering capabilities are not copy-cat's / rebranding of others. Rather, they are trading out some of their optical engineering expertise to exchange with others technology expertise.
I think the Alliance aspect of things makes the concept of 100% "in house" a former model. To that point, I don't find it "offensive" that they are selling "brand" only. I mean ... I can buy a Cadillac / Chevy (in house variance), or I can buy a Mazda / Ford (shared variance). Better examples, but as a reliability engineer who worked with other of Detroits engineer's ... I can distinctly say that brand variance isn't rebranding / label only.
That said, I will say that I think Leica's integration of things moves at a different pace ... and a pace that drives some folks nuts (vs. Sigma / Panny / etc.). But, I don't think they are devoid of their contribution to the development ... even, if it is now shared development, vs. 100% uniquely, in house developed / differentiated.
p.2 #7 · Leica announces strategic partnership with Capture One
1bwana1 wrote:
I can't imagine how that can be. Unless Leica and Phase One are sharing medium format technology somehow. Can you elaborate please.
Leica now has the SL line that have AF and an M that has an EVF. you can’t tether an M3….or you can, but that is a bulb shutter cable. 🤪
I imagine they are hoping that droves of people with disposable income or an interest in the lenses, who never gelled with RF will line up. I am not sure how many of them would need to shoot tethered, though.
p.2 #8 · Leica announces strategic partnership with Capture One
RustyBug wrote:
In the vein of half-empty vs. half-full ...
Is the L Alliance a matter of Leica selling Sigma / Panny stuff rebranded, or
A matter of Leica helping develop those products, and allowing Sigma / Panny to offer their versions of such development, in exchange for the manufacturing efficiencies / economies.
I'm inclined to think the relationship is a bit "deeper" than simply slapping someone else's product into a different package, and stick a Red Dot on it.
Case in point ... quite some time ago, I commented on the improvements in Sigma's optics. Specifically, I commented that the drawing style of a certain new lens seemed to take a page from Leica's playbook, and that Sigma was moving the bar significantly from their former self. Likely we'll never know the true depth of the relationship in the L Alliance, but I think it is deeper than the consumer perspective of simply putting a Red Dot on someone else's stuff.
As to the Medium Format ... I've long contended that the SL line is really S lenses (i.e. Medium Format) on an L mount (FF Format), hence the namesake.
To that point, Leica's glass (and Karbe has stated so, as well) is already "Medium Format ready". Thus, I see Leica as having done their own development in this manner (to a degree), and moving into a different alliance for Medium Format ... well, it kinda seems to follow suit with the L Alliance concept that they developed with Sigma / Panny. This time it will just be with a bigger body. Imo, Leica's optical engineering capabilities are not copy-cat's / rebranding of others. Rather, they are trading out some of their optical engineering expertise to exchange with others technology expertise.
I think the Alliance aspect of things makes the concept of 100% "in house" a former model. To that point, I don't find it "offensive" that they are selling "brand" only. I mean ... I can buy a Cadillac / Chevy (in house variance), or I can buy a Mazda / Ford (shared variance). Better examples, but as a reliability engineer who worked with other of Detroits engineer's ... I can distinctly say that brand variance isn't rebranding / label only.
That said, I will say that I think Leica's integration of things moves at a different pace ... and a pace that drives some folks nuts (vs. Sigma / Panny / etc.). But, I don't think they are devoid of their contribution to the development ... even, if it is now shared development, vs. 100% uniquely, in house developed / differentiated....Show more →
No I don't consider L mount Alliance a rebranding thing. It makes sense. But as a rebranding example, Sigma's 28070 f/2.8 lens has been rebranded with a slightly different housing but still manufactured entirely by Sigma with a Leica logo and almost 3 times the price is. Also the rumored Lumix S1 II is rumored to be getting to be released in a Leica branded version. That is the kind of thing I am talking about. I would not like to see Phase One cameras and lenses, released with a leica brand. I prefer new and novel MF products from Leica.
p.2 #10 · Leica announces strategic partnership with Capture One
1bwana1 wrote:
Seems like a poor proposition to lose the tight integration of the World's most extensive, advanced, and best supported by third party suite of digital creator tools for 3 months of free trial. Let alone disrupt a workflow developed over many years. Plus abandoning thousands of already processed file data stored and backed up in your catalogs, on your server, and in the cloud. It is not just about tomorrow's images when you think about it.
The very low cost of $9 per Month probably represents the best value in software I currently have on my computer after my browser of course. ...Show more →
The only thing that adobe excels in is having their hand in your wallet constantly. I would not say it's the most advanced. Their RAW processor is mediocre and in more than just Fuji RAW files. I do understand not wanting to move away if you have a massive catalog of images, but most provide a migration path.
I use Capture One sessions a lot in my workflow and I would have a hard time moving away from that. Those sessions can then be imported into catalogs.
I won't go into my rant, but I prefer capture one output and results over lightroom. With the free trial this is the time for others to do their own comparison and make up their own mind. Take advantage.
p.2 #11 · Leica announces strategic partnership with Capture One
cbass wrote:
I prefer capture one output and results over lightroom.
I also preferred C1 ... we'll say (arbitrary numbers) by a 20% margin. But, I preferred LR workflow by a 15% margin. Then, LR upped their game, so the output margin dropped to only 15%. Now, it's a wash between workflow vs. output at that point.
As mentioned, this was a few years back (for me), so I am a bit curious to see where / how C1 has raised the bar since then.
That said, in the broader context of things ... there's always (Y / Y) going to be an ongoing "oneupmanship" that'll be striving to keep / bring folks into one camp over the other. The salient point being that most seasoned folks aren't in the "Yo-Yo" game year after year after year after year after ...
Once you find the tool you like ... use the dickens out of it, and produce your greatest works.
p.2 #12 · Leica announces strategic partnership with Capture One
cbass wrote:
The only thing that adobe excels in is having their hand in your wallet constantly. I would not say it's the most advanced. Their RAW processor is mediocre and in more than just Fuji RAW files. I do understand not wanting to move away if you have a massive catalog of images, but most provide a migration path.
I use Capture One sessions a lot in my workflow and I would have a hard time moving away from that. Those sessions can then be imported into catalogs.
I won't go into my rant, but I prefer capture one output and results over lightroom. With the free trial this is the time for others to do their own comparison and make up their own mind. Take advantage. ...Show more →
I’ll take a look after they support the X2D/X2Dii.
p.2 #14 · Leica announces strategic partnership with Capture One
I am sure you can make the output similar between LrC and C1P
But the approach of RAW conversion and camera profiles is very different.
Very simplified, CameraRaw and LrC have a step one to convert the file to an Adobe system, and step 2 applies the standard correction. Often this fails with new cameras, giving you horrible results in colors and noise. Once the fine version comeout it is acceptable, but there is always a base correction that is difficult to remove.
C1P makes a profile file for each camera, running it with different calibration parameters, collaborating with manufacturers, and often fully supporting the new cameras from day one.
For those who use the mobile version. Lr Mobile has a different color approach from the desktop version, and you can see a shift in color and exposure.
C1P for mobile has all the same color profile and color engine as the desktop and does not get a shift.
p.2 #15 · Leica announces strategic partnership with Capture One
1bwana1 wrote:
But one must start by questioning the wisdom of shooting film in this amazing digital age. Buy expensive film, carry bulky film, frequently change film in the field, protect that film, pay to develop the film, store and organize the negatives, scan the negatives. All of that to get to the same digital set of tools digital cameras produce seamlessly.
Well, for me personally, film has always meant analog and not hybrid, and yet I can very well understand why people prefer to shoot and scan on film rather than going straight to digital. And even if we disregard the question of differing results, the different workflow alone, and especially the handling of classic mechanical cameras, is something a digital camera simply cannot offer, no matter how hard you try to give it a retro look. It will always remain an embarrassing disguise.
And as for the expensive films, that's peanuts compared to what the average forum member spends on their digital equipment year after year.
p.2 #16 · Leica announces strategic partnership with Capture One
Phase One and Capture One are now two seperate companies. The latter was bought by venture capitalists a few years back. As such I doubt this has anything to do with the former or medium format technology.
p.2 #19 · Leica announces strategic partnership with Capture One
When I tried it with Apple Pay today, it was a subscription for over €40 with the first three months free. I clicked "OK" too quickly, which was stupid of me, but then Apple Pay didn't complete the payment. What a nasty sales tactic.
p.2 #20 · Leica announces strategic partnership with Capture One
BokehBeauty wrote:
When I tried it with Apple Pay today, it was a subscription for over €40 with the first three months free. I clicked "OK" too quickly, which was stupid of me, but then Apple Pay didn't complete the payment. What a nasty sales tactic.
Double check.
When I signed up for this three-month, free C1/Leica subscription program with Apple Pay, It appeared as if there was an error in the $0 payment process and it didn't go through. However once I logged in to my C1 account I saw the subscription did in fact go through and was activated.
As you noted, the zero monthly charge for three months "All in One" monthly subscription will automatically charge a monthly fee if I don't cancel the subscription before three months.
