A7V dynamic range is extremely good
p.9 #1A7V dynamic range is extremely good
snapsy wrote:
The two amplifiers are already there. You are asking whether the merging of the data needs additional hardware or can be done in software. If both data are kept at the same time, then in theory it can be done in software, though it probably is serious software revision which is very unlikely for any current cameras not already having it. But depending on the chip architecture, (the processing unit, not the sensor), both data may not even be stored at the same time. the data path may choose only one or the other. In that case, chip architecture needs to be replanned to provide this.Agreed. I've read through patents of various HDR implementations and some interleave the multiple-exposure/gain data read off the sensor, requiring ISP ASIC logic to process the data, whereas others dump them into separate frames that are more amenable to firmware processing.
If A7V doubles the number of bands in DGO, doesn't that mean it reads separately (or 2x slower) for low and high gain?
tctmp wrote
chiron wrote
Does dual-gain require a specific chip or other specific hardware for its implementation? Or could it be added to exisiting cameras via a firmware update (though, even if possible, Sony might choose not to do that)?If A7V doubles the number of bands in DGO, doesn't that mean it reads separately (or 2x slower) for low and high gain?
Dec 14, 2025 at 11:07 AM
p.9 #2A7V dynamic range is extremely good
j4nu wrote:
The two amplifiers are already there. You are asking whether the merging of the data needs additional hardware or can be done in software. If both data are kept at the same time, then in theory it can be done in software, though it probably is serious software revision which is very unlikely for any current cameras not already having it. But depending on the chip architecture, (the processing unit, not the sensor), both data may not even be stored at the same time. the data path may choose only one or the other. In that case, chip architecture needs to be replanned to provide this.Agreed. I've read through patents of various HDR implementations and some interleave the multiple-exposure/gain data read off the sensor, requiring ISP ASIC logic to process the data, whereas others dump them into separate frames that are more amenable to firmware processing.If A7V doubles the number of bands in DGO, doesn't that mean it reads separately (or 2x slower) for low and high gain?
Only DGO implementations that use the ES double the bands. The A7V only uses DGO with the mechanical shutter so the 2x readout speed occurs after the exposure is over and the mechanical curtains shut, so it has no impact on rolling shutter artifacts like banding.
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snapsy wrote
tctmp wrote
chiron wrote
Does dual-gain require a specific chip or other specific hardware for its implementation? Or could it be added to exisiting cameras via a firmware update (though, even if possible, Sony might choose not to do that)?Only DGO implementations that use the ES double the bands. The A7V only uses DGO with the mechanical shutter so the 2x readout speed occurs after the exposure is over and the mechanical curtains shut, so it has no impact on rolling shutter artifacts like banding.
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Dec 14, 2025 at 11:10 AM
p.9 #3A7V dynamic range is extremely good
j4nu wrote:
The two amplifiers are already there. You are asking whether the merging of the data needs additional hardware or can be done in software. If both data are kept at the same time, then in theory it can be done in software, though it probably is serious software revision which is very unlikely for any current cameras not already having it. But depending on the chip architecture, (the processing unit, not the sensor), both data may not even be stored at the same time. the data path may choose only one or the other. In that case, chip architecture needs to be replanned to provide this.Agreed. I've read through patents of various HDR implementations and some interleave the multiple-exposure/gain data read off the sensor, requiring ISP ASIC logic to process the data, whereas others dump them into separate frames that are more amenable to firmware processing.If A7V doubles the number of bands in DGO, doesn't that mean it reads separately (or 2x slower) for low and high gain?
They have multiple DAs in there. I guess with DGO two will be needed to read a single pixel whereas the same two could convert two different pixels simultaneously without DGO.
snapsy wrote
tctmp wrote
chiron wrote
Does dual-gain require a specific chip or other specific hardware for its implementation? Or could it be added to exisiting cameras via a firmware update (though, even if possible, Sony might choose not to do that)?They have multiple DAs in there. I guess with DGO two will be needed to read a single pixel whereas the same two could convert two different pixels simultaneously without DGO.
Dec 14, 2025 at 11:10 AM
p.9 #4A7V dynamic range is extremely good
snapsy wrote:
The two amplifiers are already there. You are asking whether the merging of the data needs additional hardware or can be done in software. If both data are kept at the same time, then in theory it can be done in software, though it probably is serious software revision which is very unlikely for any current cameras not already having it. But depending on the chip architecture, (the processing unit, not the sensor), both data may not even be stored at the same time. the data path may choose only one or the other. In that case, chip architecture needs to be replanned to provide this.Agreed. I've read through patents of various HDR implementations and some interleave the multiple-exposure/gain data read off the sensor, requiring ISP ASIC logic to process the data, whereas others dump them into separate frames that are more amenable to firmware processing.If A7V doubles the number of bands in DGO, doesn't that mean it reads separately (or 2x slower) for low and high gain?Only DGO implementations that use the ES double the bands. The A7V only uses DGO with the mechanical shutter so the 2x readout speed occurs after the exposure is over and the mechanical curtains shut, so it has no impact on rolling shutter artifacts like banding.
Where are the images that no one has produced yet 🙄 concidering electronic shutter DR is the same as the a6700 where is the a6700 16 stop of DR in mechanical shutter 🤔 i know the a7000 ultra 😁
j4nu wrote
snapsy wrote
tctmp wrote
chiron wrote
Does dual-gain require a specific chip or other specific hardware for its implementation? Or could it be added to exisiting cameras via a firmware update (though, even if possible, Sony might choose not to do that)?Where are the images that no one has produced yet 🙄 concidering electronic shutter DR is the same as the a6700 where is the a6700 16 stop of DR in mechanical shutter 🤔 i know the a7000 ultra 😁
Dec 14, 2025 at 02:48 PM
p.9 #5A7V dynamic range is extremely good
Dual-gain seems too powerful an innovation to not beome a standrd feature on new models, where it is feasible, as they roll out in the future. It sounds like it is less likely to come to fully-stacked cameras like the A1 III because of the additive DR loss. But I could easily see a future A7C3 featuring the A7V sensor with dual gain and semi-stacked.
But perhaps not the higher mpix A7CR successor because the extra mpix makes any form of stacking more expensive to achieve.
But perhaps not the higher mpix A7CR successor because the extra mpix makes any form of stacking more expensive to achieve.
Dec 14, 2025 at 03:32 PM
p.9 #6A7V dynamic range is extremely good
Does anyone have any educated estimates of how well the semi-stacked sensor in the A7V will deal with the banding problem caused by the flickering of modern LED lighting (which is becoming ubiquitous)?
Dec 14, 2025 at 03:34 PM
p.9 #7A7V dynamic range is extremely good
chiron wrote:
Dual-gain seems too powerful an innovation to not beome a standrd feature on new models, where it is feasible, as they roll out in the future. It sounds like it is less likely to come to fully-stacked cameras like the A1 III because of the additive DR loss. But I could easily see a future A7C3 featuring the A7V sensor with dual gain and semi-stacked.
But perhaps not the higher mpix A7CR successor because the extra mpix makes any form of stacking more expensive to achieve.
I think it will be standard, also I think all future Sony cameras may also have at least partially stacked sensors. I just realized that A7R6 can come out by end of next year.
Dual-gain seems too powerful an innovation to not beome a standrd feature on new models, where it is feasible, as they roll out in the future. It sounds like it is less likely to come to fully-stacked cameras like the A1 III because of the additive DR loss. But I could easily see a future A7C3 featuring the A7V sensor with dual gain and semi-stacked.
But perhaps not the higher mpix A7CR successor because the extra mpix makes any form of stacking more expensive to achieve.
I think it will be standard, also I think all future Sony cameras may also have at least partially stacked sensors. I just realized that A7R6 can come out by end of next year.
Dec 14, 2025 at 04:29 PM
p.9 #8A7V dynamic range is extremely good
chiron wrote:
Does anyone have any educated estimates of how well the semi-stacked sensor in the A7V will deal with the banding problem caused by the flickering of modern LED lighting (which is becoming ubiquitous)?
In electronic shutter, the readout time is currently estimated to be around 14ms. This means it will behave more or less the same as Nikon Z6III, Panasonic S1II, Canon R6II or R8.
Does anyone have any educated estimates of how well the semi-stacked sensor in the A7V will deal with the banding problem caused by the flickering of modern LED lighting (which is becoming ubiquitous)?
In electronic shutter, the readout time is currently estimated to be around 14ms. This means it will behave more or less the same as Nikon Z6III, Panasonic S1II, Canon R6II or R8.
Dec 14, 2025 at 05:22 PM
p.9 #9A7V dynamic range is extremely good
chiron wrote:
Does anyone have any educated estimates of how well the semi-stacked sensor in the A7V will deal with the banding problem caused by the flickering of modern LED lighting (which is becoming ubiquitous)?
no different than my a6700
Does anyone have any educated estimates of how well the semi-stacked sensor in the A7V will deal with the banding problem caused by the flickering of modern LED lighting (which is becoming ubiquitous)?
no different than my a6700
Dec 14, 2025 at 06:49 PM
p.9 #10A7V dynamic range is extremely good
A74me wrote:
chiron wrote
Does anyone have any educated estimates of how well the semi-stacked sensor in the A7V will deal with the banding problem caused by the flickering of modern LED lighting (which is becoming ubiquitous)?Is that good or bad?
Dec 14, 2025 at 08:02 PM
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p.9 #11A7V dynamic range is extremely good
chiron wrote:
Does anyone have any educated estimates of how well the semi-stacked sensor in the A7V will deal with the banding problem caused by the flickering of modern LED lighting (which is becoming ubiquitous)?
DSC06561 by acurian, on Flickr
As you can see in the image sample, even the A1 has trouble in some situations so I would not expect much too much from the A7V. Global shutter is the only answer afaik
Does anyone have any educated estimates of how well the semi-stacked sensor in the A7V will deal with the banding problem caused by the flickering of modern LED lighting (which is becoming ubiquitous)?
DSC06561 by acurian, on FlickrAs you can see in the image sample, even the A1 has trouble in some situations so I would not expect much too much from the A7V. Global shutter is the only answer afaik
Dec 14, 2025 at 08:10 PM
p.9 #12A7V dynamic range is extremely good
aCuria wrote:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54170824145_f7eddd8ce9_b.jpgDSC06561 by acurian, on Flickr
As you can see in the image sample, even the A1 has trouble in some situations so I would not expect much too much from the A7V. Global shutter is the only answer afaik
Yes, but no. Jim Kasson has previously demonstrated that some LED lights can produce banding even with a stacked sensor. This is especially true of some stadium and theatrical lighting and the occasional home, public or retail lighting
However, in thousands of images shot under a variety of home and public LED lighting, I have virtually never gotten a banded image with either an A9, A1, or A1 II. They are all fast enough to not have a problem with common modern lighting.
On the other hand, with an A7iii, A7RIII, A7Cii, and A7CR, banding under common LED lights is universal and extreme.
So it is a matter of degree rather than an absolute, but the degree of difference between stacked and unstacked is very great.
My question is where will the A7V fall?
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chiron wrote
Does anyone have any educated estimates of how well the semi-stacked sensor in the A7V will deal with the banding problem caused by the flickering of modern LED lighting (which is becoming ubiquitous)?As you can see in the image sample, even the A1 has trouble in some situations so I would not expect much too much from the A7V. Global shutter is the only answer afaik
Yes, but no. Jim Kasson has previously demonstrated that some LED lights can produce banding even with a stacked sensor. This is especially true of some stadium and theatrical lighting and the occasional home, public or retail lighting
However, in thousands of images shot under a variety of home and public LED lighting, I have virtually never gotten a banded image with either an A9, A1, or A1 II. They are all fast enough to not have a problem with common modern lighting.
On the other hand, with an A7iii, A7RIII, A7Cii, and A7CR, banding under common LED lights is universal and extreme.
So it is a matter of degree rather than an absolute, but the degree of difference between stacked and unstacked is very great.
My question is where will the A7V fall?
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Dec 14, 2025 at 09:07 PM
p.9 #13A7V dynamic range is extremely good
j4nu wrote:
In electronic shutter, the readout time is currently estimated to be around 14ms. This means it will behave more or less the same as Nikon Z6III, Panasonic S1II, Canon R6II or R8.
I don't have experience with any of those cameras. How do they behave with ordinary LED lighting?
chiron wrote
Does anyone have any educated estimates of how well the semi-stacked sensor in the A7V will deal with the banding problem caused by the flickering of modern LED lighting (which is becoming ubiquitous)?I don't have experience with any of those cameras. How do they behave with ordinary LED lighting?
Dec 14, 2025 at 09:13 PM
p.9 #14A7V dynamic range is extremely good
chiron wrote:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54170824145_f7eddd8ce9_b.jpgDSC06561 by acurian, on Flickr
As you can see in the image sample, even the A1 has trouble in some situations so I would not expect much too much from the A7V. Global shutter is the only answer afaikYes, but no. Jim Kasson has previously demonstrated that some LED lights can produce banding even with a stacked shutter. This is especially true of some stadium and theatrical lighting and the occasional home, public or retail lighting
However, in thousands of images shot under a variety of home and public LED lighting, I have virtually never gotten a banded image with either an A9, A1, or A1 II. They are all fast enough to not have a problem with common modern lighting.
On the other hand, with an A7iii, A7RIII, A7Cii, and A7CR, banding under common LED lights is universal and...Show more →
How many bands do you have on say A7CR? What you can do is divide the a7CR picture vertically by the ratio of the read speed (about 4:1 between A7CR and A7v?). Then stretch it back to the original aspect ratio. That's roughly how the picture will look like on A7v.
aCuria wrote
chiron wrote
Does anyone have any educated estimates of how well the semi-stacked sensor in the A7V will deal with the banding problem caused by the flickering of modern LED lighting (which is becoming ubiquitous)?As you can see in the image sample, even the A1 has trouble in some situations so I would not expect much too much from the A7V. Global shutter is the only answer afaik
However, in thousands of images shot under a variety of home and public LED lighting, I have virtually never gotten a banded image with either an A9, A1, or A1 II. They are all fast enough to not have a problem with common modern lighting.
On the other hand, with an A7iii, A7RIII, A7Cii, and A7CR, banding under common LED lights is universal and...Show more →
How many bands do you have on say A7CR? What you can do is divide the a7CR picture vertically by the ratio of the read speed (about 4:1 between A7CR and A7v?). Then stretch it back to the original aspect ratio. That's roughly how the picture will look like on A7v.
Dec 14, 2025 at 09:16 PM
p.9 #15A7V dynamic range is extremely good
lsquare wrote:
no different than my a6700Is that good or bad?
no banding with the a6700 shooting a pro video dance school concert at 4k 25p at iso 12800 the video was super clean.
A74me wrote
chiron wrote
Does anyone have any educated estimates of how well the semi-stacked sensor in the A7V will deal with the banding problem caused by the flickering of modern LED lighting (which is becoming ubiquitous)?no banding with the a6700 shooting a pro video dance school concert at 4k 25p at iso 12800 the video was super clean.
Dec 14, 2025 at 10:39 PM
p.9 #16A7V dynamic range is extremely good
chiron wrote:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54170824145_f7eddd8ce9_b.jpgDSC06561 by acurian, on Flickr
As you can see in the image sample, even the A1 has trouble in some situations so I would not expect much too much from the A7V. Global shutter is the only answer afaikYes, but no. Jim Kasson has previously demonstrated that some LED lights can produce banding even with a stacked sensor. This is especially true of some stadium and theatrical lighting and the occasional home, public or retail lighting
However, in thousands of images shot under a variety of home and public LED lighting, I have virtually never gotten a banded image with either an A9, A1, or A1 II. They are all fast enough to not have a problem with common modern lighting.
On the other hand, with an A7iii, A7RIII, A7Cii, and A7CR, banding under common LED lights is universal and...Show more →
chiron wrote:
However, in thousands of images shot under a variety of home and public LED lighting, I have virtually never gotten a banded image with either an A9, A1, or A1 II. They are all fast enough to not have a problem with common modern lighting.
Basically you lucked out. I’ve definitely run into my fair share of everyday light bulbs that cause banding when using the A1’s electronic shutter.
The image sample wasn’t anything exotic either, just a single standard domestic fixture with cheap E27 bulbs shot with the A1 at high shutter speed.
The mechanical shutter on the A1 is remarkably fast, and does mitigate banding to a greater extent.
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aCuria wrote
chiron wrote
Does anyone have any educated estimates of how well the semi-stacked sensor in the A7V will deal with the banding problem caused by the flickering of modern LED lighting (which is becoming ubiquitous)?As you can see in the image sample, even the A1 has trouble in some situations so I would not expect much too much from the A7V. Global shutter is the only answer afaik
However, in thousands of images shot under a variety of home and public LED lighting, I have virtually never gotten a banded image with either an A9, A1, or A1 II. They are all fast enough to not have a problem with common modern lighting.
On the other hand, with an A7iii, A7RIII, A7Cii, and A7CR, banding under common LED lights is universal and...Show more →
chiron wrote:
However, in thousands of images shot under a variety of home and public LED lighting, I have virtually never gotten a banded image with either an A9, A1, or A1 II. They are all fast enough to not have a problem with common modern lighting.
Basically you lucked out. I’ve definitely run into my fair share of everyday light bulbs that cause banding when using the A1’s electronic shutter.
The image sample wasn’t anything exotic either, just a single standard domestic fixture with cheap E27 bulbs shot with the A1 at high shutter speed.
The mechanical shutter on the A1 is remarkably fast, and does mitigate banding to a greater extent.
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Dec 14, 2025 at 11:08 PM
p.9 #17A7V dynamic range is extremely good
aCuria wrote:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54170824145_f7eddd8ce9_b.jpgDSC06561 by acurian, on Flickr
As you can see in the image sample, even the A1 has trouble in some situations so I would not expect much too much from the A7V. Global shutter is the only answer afaikYes, but no. Jim Kasson has previously demonstrated that some LED lights can produce banding even with a stacked sensor. This is especially true of some stadium and theatrical lighting and the occasional home, public or retail lighting
However, in thousands of images shot under a variety of home and public LED lighting, I have virtually never gotten a banded image with either an A9, A1, or A1 II. They are all fast enough to not have a problem with common modern lighting.
On the other hand, with an A7iii, A7RIII, A7Cii, and A7CR, banding under common LED lights is universal and extreme.
So it is a matter of degree rather than an absolute, but the degree of difference between stacked and unstacked is very great.
My question is where will the A7V fall?As you can see from my A1 sample, I’ve definitely run into everyday light bulbs that cause banding when using the A1’s electronic shutter. This wasn’t anything exotic either, just a single standard domestic fixture with cheap E27 bulbs.
Yes, but you shot it at 1/32000s (i.e. A1's max shutter speed)
... That is not really typical when shooting with indoor LED lightning .
chiron wrote
aCuria wrote
chiron wrote
Does anyone have any educated estimates of how well the semi-stacked sensor in the A7V will deal with the banding problem caused by the flickering of modern LED lighting (which is becoming ubiquitous)?As you can see in the image sample, even the A1 has trouble in some situations so I would not expect much too much from the A7V. Global shutter is the only answer afaik
However, in thousands of images shot under a variety of home and public LED lighting, I have virtually never gotten a banded image with either an A9, A1, or A1 II. They are all fast enough to not have a problem with common modern lighting.
On the other hand, with an A7iii, A7RIII, A7Cii, and A7CR, banding under common LED lights is universal and extreme.
So it is a matter of degree rather than an absolute, but the degree of difference between stacked and unstacked is very great.
My question is where will the A7V fall?
Yes, but you shot it at 1/32000s (i.e. A1's max shutter speed)
... That is not really typical when shooting with indoor LED lightning .Dec 14, 2025 at 11:14 PM
p.9 #18A7V dynamic range is extremely good
j4nu wrote:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54170824145_f7eddd8ce9_b.jpgDSC06561 by acurian, on Flickr
As you can see in the image sample, even the A1 has trouble in some situations so I would not expect much too much from the A7V. Global shutter is the only answer afaikYes, but no. Jim Kasson has previously demonstrated that some LED lights can produce banding even with a stacked sensor. This is especially true of some stadium and theatrical lighting and the occasional home, public or retail lighting
However, in thousands of images shot under a variety of home and public LED lighting, I have virtually never gotten a banded image with either an A9, A1, or A1 II. They are all fast enough to not have a problem with common modern lighting.
On the other hand, with an A7iii, A7RIII, A7Cii, and A7CR, banding under common LED lights is universal and extreme.
So it is a matter of degree rather than an absolute, but the degree of difference between stacked and unstacked is very great.
My question is where will the A7V fall?As you can see from my A1 sample, I’ve definitely run into everyday light bulbs that cause banding when using the A1’s electronic shutter. This wasn’t anything exotic either, just a single standard domestic fixture with cheap E27 bulbs.Yes, but you shot it at 1/32000s (i.e. A1's max shutter speed) ... That is not really typical when shooting with indoor LED lightning .
The high shutter is on purpose to maximize the visibility of the banding effect. This way, the lines where the light is flickered OFF will be completely black.
At slower shutter speeds the banding is not as high contrast but its still there!
If I used the A9iii to take the same shot, it would be completely clean even at 1/32000s!
A9iii Global Shutter
untitled-15 by acurian, on Flickr
A9iii On some frames you can see the bulbs flickering on and off
untitled-14 by acurian, on Flickr
A1 (1/250s) Electronic Shutter
DSC06561 by acurian, on Flickr
aCuria wrote
chiron wrote
aCuria wrote
chiron wrote
Does anyone have any educated estimates of how well the semi-stacked sensor in the A7V will deal with the banding problem caused by the flickering of modern LED lighting (which is becoming ubiquitous)?As you can see in the image sample, even the A1 has trouble in some situations so I would not expect much too much from the A7V. Global shutter is the only answer afaik
However, in thousands of images shot under a variety of home and public LED lighting, I have virtually never gotten a banded image with either an A9, A1, or A1 II. They are all fast enough to not have a problem with common modern lighting.
On the other hand, with an A7iii, A7RIII, A7Cii, and A7CR, banding under common LED lights is universal and extreme.
So it is a matter of degree rather than an absolute, but the degree of difference between stacked and unstacked is very great.
My question is where will the A7V fall?
... That is not really typical when shooting with indoor LED lightning .The high shutter is on purpose to maximize the visibility of the banding effect. This way, the lines where the light is flickered OFF will be completely black.
At slower shutter speeds the banding is not as high contrast but its still there!
If I used the A9iii to take the same shot, it would be completely clean even at 1/32000s!
untitled-15 by acurian, on FlickrA9iii On some frames you can see the bulbs flickering on and off
untitled-14 by acurian, on FlickrA1 (1/250s) Electronic Shutter
DSC06561 by acurian, on FlickrDec 14, 2025 at 11:19 PM
p.9 #19A7V dynamic range is extremely good
aCuria wrote:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54170824145_f7eddd8ce9_b.jpgDSC06561 by acurian, on Flickr
As you can see in the image sample, even the A1 has trouble in some situations so I would not expect much too much from the A7V. Global shutter is the only answer afaikYes, but no. Jim Kasson has previously demonstrated that some LED lights can produce banding even with a stacked sensor. This is especially true of some stadium and theatrical lighting and the occasional home, public or retail lighting
However, in thousands of images shot under a variety of home and public LED lighting, I have virtually never gotten a banded image with either an A9, A1, or A1 II. They are all fast enough to not have a problem with common modern lighting.
On the other hand, with an A7iii, A7RIII, A7Cii, and A7CR, banding under common LED lights is universal and extreme.
So it is a matter of degree rather than an absolute, but the degree of difference between stacked and unstacked is very great.
My question is where will the A7V fall?As you can see from my A1 sample, I’ve definitely run into everyday light bulbs that cause banding when using the A1’s electronic shutter. This wasn’t anything exotic either, just a single standard domestic fixture with cheap E27 bulbs.Yes, but you shot it at 1/32000s (i.e. A1's max shutter speed) ... That is not really typical when shooting with indoor LED lightning .The high shutter is on purpose to maximize the visibility of the banding effect. This way, the lines where the light is flickered OFF will be completely black.
At slower shutter speeds the banding is not as high contrast but its still there!
If I used the A9iii to take the same shot, it would be completely clean even at 1/32000s!
Global Shutter
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54985118913_eaa2ea3a6d_b.jpguntitled-15 by acurian, on Flickr
On some frames you can see the bulbs flickering on and off
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54984052542_9c4ddd3854_b.jpguntitled-14 by acurian, on Flickr
Yes, that's what I meant. Unless @chiron shoots his indoor events at 1/32000s, it won't affect his shooting.
And as you noted, GS has its own share of problems with flicker ...
j4nu wrote
aCuria wrote
chiron wrote
aCuria wrote
chiron wrote
Does anyone have any educated estimates of how well the semi-stacked sensor in the A7V will deal with the banding problem caused by the flickering of modern LED lighting (which is becoming ubiquitous)?As you can see in the image sample, even the A1 has trouble in some situations so I would not expect much too much from the A7V. Global shutter is the only answer afaik
However, in thousands of images shot under a variety of home and public LED lighting, I have virtually never gotten a banded image with either an A9, A1, or A1 II. They are all fast enough to not have a problem with common modern lighting.
On the other hand, with an A7iii, A7RIII, A7Cii, and A7CR, banding under common LED lights is universal and extreme.
So it is a matter of degree rather than an absolute, but the degree of difference between stacked and unstacked is very great.
My question is where will the A7V fall?
... That is not really typical when shooting with indoor LED lightning .At slower shutter speeds the banding is not as high contrast but its still there!
If I used the A9iii to take the same shot, it would be completely clean even at 1/32000s!
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54985118913_eaa2ea3a6d_b.jpguntitled-15 by acurian, on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54984052542_9c4ddd3854_b.jpguntitled-14 by acurian, on Flickr
Yes, that's what I meant. Unless @chiron shoots his indoor events at 1/32000s, it won't affect his shooting.
And as you noted, GS has its own share of problems with flicker
...Dec 14, 2025 at 11:35 PM
p.9 #20A7V dynamic range is extremely good
j4nu wrote:
As you can see in the image sample, even the A1 has trouble in some situations so I would not expect much too much from the A7V. Global shutter is the only answer afaikYes, but no. Jim Kasson has previously demonstrated that some LED lights can produce banding even with a stacked sensor. This is especially true of some stadium and theatrical lighting and the occasional home, public or retail lighting
However, in thousands of images shot under a variety of home and public LED lighting, I have virtually never gotten a banded image with either an A9, A1, or A1 II. They are all fast enough to not have a problem with common modern lighting.
On the other hand, with an A7iii, A7RIII, A7Cii, and A7CR, banding under common LED lights is universal and extreme.
So it is a matter of degree rather than an absolute, but the degree of difference between stacked and unstacked is very great.
My question is where will the A7V fall?As you can see from my A1 sample, I’ve definitely run into everyday light bulbs that cause banding when using the A1’s electronic shutter. This wasn’t anything exotic either, just a single standard domestic fixture with cheap E27 bulbs.Yes, but you shot it at 1/32000s (i.e. A1's max shutter speed) ... That is not really typical when shooting with indoor LED lightning .The high shutter is on purpose to maximize the visibility of the banding effect. This way, the lines where the light is flickered OFF will be completely black.
At slower shutter speeds the banding is not as high contrast but its still there!
If I used the A9iii to take the same shot, it would be completely clean even at 1/32000s!
Global Shutter
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54985118913_eaa2ea3a6d_b.jpguntitled-15 by acurian, on Flickr
On some frames you can see the bulbs flickering on and off
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54984052542_9c4ddd3854_b.jpguntitled-14 by acurian, on FlickrYes, that's what I meant. Unless @chiron@ shoots his indoor events at 1/32000s, it won't affect his shooting.
And as you noted, GS has its own share of problems with flicker ...
j4nu wrote:
Yes, that's what I meant. Unless @chiron@ shoots his indoor events at 1/32000s, it won't affect his shooting.
No! At lower shutter the banding is still there.
j4nu wrote:
GS has its own share of problems with flicker ...
GS does not have issues in practice for me.
First, the anti flicker setting will help you catch shots when the lights at their maximum cycle.
Second, my subjects are not on the ceiling. The light bulb being dimmer does not affect a shot of the subject.
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j4nu wrote
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aCuria wrote
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54170824145_f7eddd8ce9_b.jpgDSC06561 by acurian, on FlickrAs you can see in the image sample, even the A1 has trouble in some situations so I would not expect much too much from the A7V. Global shutter is the only answer afaik
However, in thousands of images shot under a variety of home and public LED lighting, I have virtually never gotten a banded image with either an A9, A1, or A1 II. They are all fast enough to not have a problem with common modern lighting.
On the other hand, with an A7iii, A7RIII, A7Cii, and A7CR, banding under common LED lights is universal and extreme.
So it is a matter of degree rather than an absolute, but the degree of difference between stacked and unstacked is very great.
My question is where will the A7V fall?
... That is not really typical when shooting with indoor LED lightning .At slower shutter speeds the banding is not as high contrast but its still there!
If I used the A9iii to take the same shot, it would be completely clean even at 1/32000s!
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54985118913_eaa2ea3a6d_b.jpguntitled-15 by acurian, on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54984052542_9c4ddd3854_b.jpguntitled-14 by acurian, on Flickr
And as you noted, GS has its own share of problems with flicker
...j4nu wrote:
Yes, that's what I meant. Unless @chiron@ shoots his indoor events at 1/32000s, it won't affect his shooting.
No! At lower shutter the banding is still there.
j4nu wrote:
GS has its own share of problems with flicker
...GS does not have issues in practice for me.
First, the anti flicker setting will help you catch shots when the lights at their maximum cycle.
Second, my subjects are not on the ceiling. The light bulb being dimmer does not affect a shot of the subject.
Dec 14, 2025 at 11:49 PM