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p.2 #1 · M10-R vs M11


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Dec 04, 2025 at 12:27 PM
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p.2 #2 · M10-R vs M11


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I have seven Leica ‘M’ cameras and lots of other cameras. I’m old and have been shooting since I was in my early teens. Leica is just another camera brand. You seem to be considering an ‘M’ camera vs other Leicas, so why not buy a real Leica? Do what I did with my first camera and buy a Leica M3. When the M3 came out, Leica was unique and innovative. The viewfinder was amazing and the feel great. Lots of B&W stock is available. The sound of the mechanical shutter is perfect. The lens is, of course, a 50mm.
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It is impressive that a well CLAed Leica M3 can still be considered a top choice today. Even among the M film options, it is my favorite by far. There is something about the smoothness of the mechanism and the level of precision that feels special, even compared to the current MP. I have tried many Leica M film bodies, but the M3 is the one I keep, just like you.

As for the M10-R and M11, there is not a dramatic difference if you care about the rangefinder mechanism itself since it's the same on both cameras. The M11 gives you more options in software and hardware, but the way they shoot feels very similar overall.

I would choose the Leica M10-R because its shutter feels closer to a traditional M. It has a simpler, more immediate mechanical feel, with the shutter releasing and resetting almost instantly since it does not meter off the sensor before exposure. The M11, by contrast, meters from the sensor first, so when you press the shutter, it reads the scene and adjusts exposure, requiring the shutter to open and close briefly before the actual capture...This adds a subtle delay and changes the tactile feedback. It is not slower in practice, but you can feel and hear the extra steps.



Dec 04, 2025 at 01:57 PM
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p.2 #3 · M10-R vs M11


I recently went through the same decision, although there was also the consideration of the M EV-1 (in time) as I do have difficulty seeing the rangefinder patch clearly. I have an M11 Monochrom, which I dearly love.

In addition to the differences mentioned by other contributors to this thread, shooting 60 MP without IBIS is more difficult than shooting 40MP without IBIS. This ended up being a large factor in my decision, which was to get an M10-R. It was not the only factor and I have to admit that choosing was not easy. The battery life and availability was another factor and for that, the M11 is definitely the better choice. My M10-R arrived on Tuesday of this week and I am super happy with it. I was able to purchase it from a Leica Store (Lisse) and they provide a 1-year warranty, so I am very happy.

I suspect that you will be quite happy with whichever one that you choose.




Dec 04, 2025 at 02:10 PM
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p.2 #4 · M10-R vs M11


For some reason the shutter on the P felt more refined and the camera felt less laggy compared to the standard M11. I shot both M10Rs and M11s for a while but it comes down to convenience vs haptics/latency feel (R faster). Big thing is the USB C charging port on 11 series. Saves a lot of mental and physical space. There are USB C low profile chargers for the M10 batteries now though.


Dec 04, 2025 at 02:41 PM
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p.2 #5 · M10-R vs M11


I think I'm leaning more to the M10-R as it seems to have the most traditional M-approach in comparison to the M11. Now I need to know if there is any substantial difference in the black colors (Black paint and black chrome).


Dec 04, 2025 at 03:00 PM
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Dec 04, 2025 at 04:52 PM
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p.2 #7 · M10-R vs M11


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Now I need to know if there is any substantial difference in the black colors (Black paint and black chrome).


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Dec 04, 2025 at 04:53 PM
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p.2 #8 · M10-R vs M11


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I think I'm leaning more to the M10-R as it seems to have the most traditional M-approach in comparison to the M11. Now I need to know if there is any substantial difference in the black colors (Black paint and black chrome).


I think this comparison is overblown -- since you have no experience with the M, it's not something you would notice. The only advantage is slightly less lag in shutter response. Again -- you wouldn't know the difference. The M11 is superior in every other way.

But you do you man. You'll enjoy the experience either way you go.



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p.2 #9 · M10-R vs M11


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I think this comparison is overblown -- since you have no experience with the M, it's not something you would notice. The only advantage is slightly less lag in shutter response. Again -- you wouldn't know the difference. The M11 is superior in every other way.

But you do you man. You'll enjoy the experience either way you go.


Maybe you are right. As a person who has limited experience with the M-bodies, I'm not sure if I will ever feel the differences. Maybe I'm just repeating what I hear on the internet, but it's not the logical solution here.



Dec 05, 2025 at 02:59 AM
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p.2 #10 · M10-R vs M11


JMPerona wrote:
Maybe you are right.

He is right indeed.

JMPerona wrote:
As a person who has limited experience with the M-bodies, I'm not sure if I will ever feel the differences.

I have been using M cameras for 40 years, had one of the first M8 and every digital M generation since. I do not feel the difference.

JMPerona wrote:
Maybe I'm just repeating what I hear on the internet, but it's not the logical solution here.

Buy one and shoot with it. If you are on a budget or afraid of making a mistake, buy second hand and if you do not like it or want to change, you will sell it without losing money.




Dec 05, 2025 at 05:10 AM
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p.2 #11 · M10-R vs M11


pmeheut wrote:
He is right indeed.

I have been using M cameras for 40 years, had one of the first M8 and every digital M generation since. I do not feel the difference.

Buy one and shoot with it. If you are on a budget or afraid of making a mistake, buy second hand and if you do not like it or want to change, you will sell it without losing money.



I will be buying second hand. Maybe the 11 is the one I should get...



Dec 05, 2025 at 05:14 AM
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p.2 #12 · M10-R vs M11


As to the shutter response difference ... for someone who has never shot any other M, if you start with the M11, you won't have anything to compare it to.

A few things come to mind, but all are to the point of getting your hands on one. We can answer questions, but till you feel what it is like to use one in your hand, you can't understand the difference ... or, that a difference even matters to you.

Visit a camera store that carries them (Wibergs Foto in Stockholm )
Rent one
Seek out individuals / camera club / etc.
Find a workshop
Buy one from a source with an excellent return policy
Buy one from a reputable individual, reselling if desired for likely less money (lost) than a rental.

The one thing about the "buy and resell" thing is the amount TIME it takes to find what you're looking for, then to get it resold, to repurchase the next one, then to do it all again if you find out your prefer the other one.

There are cameras around to make the comparisons, but you likely are not going to recognize the difference until you have spent a significant amount of time with one, then switching to the other.

You could easily start with the M11 ... and reasonably, never know the difference.

Likely, a bigger question is the difference between using a rangefinder in the M11 / M10R or the new EVF. We all have our "reasons" why we take that first step into our Leica journey ... I think it is important to understand what those reasons are and what our intended destination(s) are for embarking on that journey.

For some, it's simply because "others" have gone the route of Leica, and the curiosity presents an itch they need to scratch, or they want to be part of "the cool kids" crowd. For others, they have been introduced to a "different way" that the rangefinder presents, and are taken favorably to it. Some, are pure "explorers" and we are kinda back to the curiosity thing. Yet, others have different, more specific reasons. The pragmatic simplicity or tactile interface can be other reasons, as well that folks enjoy working with the M series. Not everyone takes to it the same way, for the same reasons, but they typically fall into just a few categories ... spec chasers, usually are not one of those categories that align well to the M.

A bit of self-reflection (a very honest one) with yourself (share here or with others at the Leica store, etc.) can help you look beyond this question of entry point into a farther down the road destination journey objective. You may find answers in that moreover than the A vs. B aspect of the M10R vs. M11.

Despite my preference for the M10R, with no other info / insights recommendation ... an M11 isn't a "bad" move. It's just a different one. A Sony A7RV vs. Sony A7RIV vs. Sony A7RIII will have differences between them, but in the end it's still in the nature of the tool to be a Sony A7R. Same with the M series, it's still going to be a rangefinder with all manual lenses and tactile controls (Aperture, SS, ISO, Focus) and no autofocus, no Auto aperture (Auto ISO, Auto SS remains), regardless of whether it is the M10R or the M11.

The other stuff (battery life, shutter response, bottom plate, etc.), you adapt to it. The more you use it, the more you adapt. In that regard, the camera has a way of "changing you". Most folks find the rangefinder to be the mechanism that has the strongest ability to change how you see the world, but even the minor / minutia pieces of the puzzle are things you grow with and likely they'll be of little / no significance to you as you progress in your journey. Right now, before you've taken a single step (i.e. never even touched one), the micro details loom large in your questions.

I get that we want to "not make a mistake" and make the "right choice" and go into analysis / comparative mode (been there, done that ... might do it again), but I strongly recommend you get your hands on one (either one). IF ... there is something about that one (either one) that is immediately putting you off in a way that you feel is insurmountable, unadaptable, then seek out the other one.

Imo, if you start with your hands on the M11 ... there won't be anything that immediately confronts you in a way that the solution will be >>> M10R. Even knowing there exists a difference in the shutter response, once you immerse yourself into the attention to the matter of shooting the rangefinder, that difference will evaporate into oblivion ... as a technical matter, vs. a pragmatic one. The difference between these two philosophies (technical vs. pragmatic) are not to be lost. I say that because many a person has leaned hard into former, not realizing how little it really matters when you get down to the point of the latter.

The differences are there (as noted) ... in the end, (imo) you'll find that such differences just aren't that significant, even if they are preferences. And, as preferences go ... yup, diff strokes, diff folks.

GL / HTH .. welcome to the journey.







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Dec 05, 2025 at 06:13 AM
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p.2 #13 · M10-R vs M11


If nothing about the M10R really shouts out to you, then the M11 is the better way to go, for reasons noted above. For myself, the M10R is the top of the heap, love the shutter release. Feels sublime every time, and don't care much for the M11's lag. Started with an M2, M8, M240 - but the M10R just feels like the best of all, finally. Totally satisfied.


Dec 05, 2025 at 06:13 AM
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p.2 #14 · M10-R vs M11


M11P only, not M11. And you apparently know all the improvements of it over M10R (other than electronic shutter up to 8000 which allows for use of dreamy vintage lenses wide open at f1.4 on bright days without ND filters - one of my personal favorites) so it's unclear what else anyone can tell you in order to make this personal decision.

Regarding the magenta cast issue, it's no longer an issue. pretty much resolved with the new firmware that allows tweaking of WB and temperature settings.



Dec 05, 2025 at 07:16 AM
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p.2 #15 · M10-R vs M11


My brother (who also lives in Uppsala ) has the M10p & M11. He seem to use the M11 more, and never complined that the colors it deliver.


Dec 05, 2025 at 01:17 PM
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p.2 #16 · M10-R vs M11


Here's a real, concrete difference: the M11 is lighter by nearly 100g.

Overall, this whole conversation is kinda useless without knowing what type of lenses you plan to shoot. If all you're gonna do is use vintage or "character" lenses, then just buy a used M10 and save yourself some money. On the other hand, if you're planning on buying newer, close focus, or APO lenses, then definitely weigh the M11 more seriously.



Dec 05, 2025 at 01:24 PM
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