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 p.2 #11 · Why is the Nikon 35 1.2s and 50 1.2s so large compared to others? | |
old-gregg wrote:
All currently commercially available cameras have identical spectral sensitivity for RGB. Spend some time digging and you'll find the datasheets for various brands. This shit has been optimized decades ago during the film era.
No, that is not what Phaseone differentiates on. I evaluated their cultural heritage branded film scanning solution, and not even their sales rep said anything about "magical filtration".
It's actually irrelevant because of what I explained above, but yet you're still dead wrong. :-)
First of all, the challenge with sensors is that they capture too much spectrum, that's why filtration is needed. What you're actually doing in a RAW editor is intelligently discarding what's not needed, so your "never captured" fantasy doesn't apply
And second, yes they can. What do you think LUTs do? I am not even talking about computational photography used in smartphones.
Weight has always been an important property of any equipment for working photographers. If you don't see that, you're a gear collector. Besides, if I "consider a different activity", who's going to educate you on color filtration and lens selection? I can't let you roam free & clueless alone, Bernard....Show more →
I am afraid there isn’t much to learn from you my friend. Most of what you write above simply isn’t correct. For a start the specs of color filters are not publicly available.
I have extensive experience with Nikon and Sony. What you write also completely flies in the face of reality. Not only are colors vastly different they are basically impossible to match. Note that I am not saying it is impossible to get nice colors out of Sony bodies. If you grade a lot you won't care at all. It is if you are after a realistic and pleasant colors look in various types of lights, in particular artificial ones, that things can get pretty challenging. First hand experience.
Btw, if you are not intentionally avoiding to answer my points then you badly need to work on your reading skills.
- I never wrote that P1 was only about colors but the marketing of the trichromatic back was only about color filtration (I owned one btw)
- I didn’t write that weight was irrelevant, only that it comes far behind results. And my work speaks for itself. I do photograph a lot across various domains. Whether you find it to be of quality or not being irrelevant
- no, the other brands don’t deliver the same results nor do they have a matching offering. For a start Sony has no 35mm f1.2 nor 85mm f1.2 and Sigma only offers a 35mm f1.2 (used to own the mkI and didn't like it). The Canon 85mm f1.2 weights about the same as the Nikon. It looks like you are the one lacking basic understanding of what is available out there,
- Speaking about the 2 primes that can be directly compared between Sony and Nikon, the 50mm f1.2 and 135mm f1.8. They are technically very close, the Sony 50mm is a bit sharper, the Nikon 135mm is a bit sharper, Very small differences without any impact on real world photography. All 4 are supremely sharp lenses. Where they differ is in rendering and focus breathing. The Sony 50mm f1.2 GM has a nice rendering and is by far my favorite Sony lens (it is also indeed a better performance to quality compromise), almost Nikon like if I may say, but the Nikon is still the nicer one. Still, I could live with the Sony very happily. For the 135mm the Sony is frankly plain awful. Clinical to the extend it takes life out of images. I tried very hard to like it for more than a year and it just isn't possible. On the other hand the Plena is pure magic. Again, first hand experience. I was dining a few months ago with a Canon engineer working in their cinema lenses design division. Those wonders costing 20,000+ US$ a piece. He was super impressed by the Plena.
But you know what? I don't care. I can use any Sony lens on my Nikon body with excellent AF through adapters. I have the choice to pick whatever works best for me. If I thought that 28-70mm were a useful focal length, I would be using their excellent 28-70mm f2.0 on my Z8/Z9. I don't care about brands. But I would find it very funny that someone complaining about the weight of a prime would be fine to use a zoom weighting the same for, typically, much longer durations. 
Cheers,
Bernard
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