The Z9 has been the most capable camera I’ve ever used. I already have my Z9ii piggy bank filling up with pennies, I’m not gonna cry that we probably aren’t getting a SIXTH major FW update. Nikon really went above and beyond with it.
Same snapsy wrote:
I tested it and it doesn't seem to be working. I was able to request and install a certificate and turn on the feature. When I take a photo it shows an icon during playback that the photo has credentials. But when I upload the photo to CAI's verify tool it reports no credentials found.
This is a big update.
OK, so I bought a Z5ii refurb yesterday, and going through the setup menus, I was amazed at the amount of "stuff" in there. Beginner's camera my ash.
Max Power wrote:
This is a big update.
OK, so I bought a Z5ii refurb yesterday, and going through the setup menus, I was amazed at the amount of "stuff" in there. Beginner's camera my ash.
I think tech is leaving me behind....
The age of "it's the camera's fault" is so far behind us it's depressing
RoamingScott wrote:
The Z9 has been the most capable camera I’ve ever used. I already have my Z9ii piggy bank filling up with pennies, I’m not gonna cry that we probably aren’t getting a SIXTH major FW update. Nikon really went above and beyond with it.
That doesn't excuse Nikon from adding new features to its other cameras while failing to bring the Z9 up to the same specs. I can understand if its IBIS unit doesn't allow it to do pixel shift, but not giving it the other functions and improvements that the Z6iii and Z8 have doesn't make sense. Your customers who supported you early in the Expeed 7/stacked sensor cycle (helping to pay for the associated R&D) and who purchased your most expensive camera body should be rewarded. Not forced to pay for a new Z9ii to get features that other Expeed 7 cameras are getting.
Yep, Cycle AF-Area Mode is included, although, as someone stated, it wasn't in the notes (at least I didn't see it). Very nice surprise when I stumbled upon it while going through the menus after executing the update.
Wezre wrote:
That doesn't excuse Nikon from adding new features to its other cameras while failing to bring the Z9 up to the same specs. I can understand if its IBIS unit doesn't allow it to do pixel shift, but not giving it the other functions and improvements that the Z6iii and Z8 have doesn't make sense. Your customers who supported you early in the Expeed 7/stacked sensor cycle (helping to pay for the associated R&D) and who purchased your most expensive camera body should be rewarded. Not forced to pay for a new Z9ii to get features that other Expeed 7 cameras are getting....Show more →
The Z9 is on its own update cycle. It got most of these updates well before the other cameras. And then there are a few newer features that were ready for this update cycle but weren’t ready for the last Z9 cycle.
The Z9 has gotten 4 MAJOR firmware updates, bringing huge amounts of new features. It’s not like it’s stuck at V1 and everything newer vastly outperforms it.
Nikon added Bird AF subject detection to the Z9 in October 2023, and the Z6 III just got it despite the camera being released in the summer of 2024. It just is how the firmware development cycles go.
I downloaded the certificate to my Z6iii and it states valid until 8/27/2028. Imaging cloud says it will be a paid feature in the future. Also states it is a free beta version. I turned it on for taking pictures, I see the certificate is on in the screen, but when I go to Nikon imaging cloud site, I don't see any provenance information for the picture. ??
When I discovered my Z8 could do this I was kinda surprised my Z6III’s couldn’t. I’m pleasantly surprised about this change.
jerry LoSardo wrote:
Yep, Cycle AF-Area Mode is included, although, as someone stated, it wasn't in the notes (at least I didn't see it). Very nice surprise when I stumbled upon it while going through the menus after executing the update.
I just tried it again using my same workflow and it's showing credentials on the online CAI verify tool for images I take now. If I re-upload the image I took a few hours earlier it still doesn't show credentials on it. Very strange, considering nothing changed on the camera side and you wouldn't think there would be any dependence on anything on Nikon's servers.
Give it a try and see if it works for you now as well.
Here's what the C2PA verify tool report looks like:
It baffles me time and time again how people react to a firmware upgrade and how they reflect that on themselves. We bought a camera knowing well the capabilities at the time of purchase and some Z6III users knew that a major firmware update was coming.
Me? I am happy with the capabilities of my Z9 and Z8 bodies and can only be happy for the Zf, Z6III, ... users that do their camera going on steroids.
When that Z9II comes around will that by no doubt bring all kinds of new goodies and that is fine as the ride with my first Z9 is still amazing (bought it in December 2021) and did see its fair share of new features, features given to me/us FOC in the span of nearly 4 years.
indusphoto wrote:
You can, but since there is only one of the recall settings, you have to make a judicious choice how to use that. (or did nikon implement one recall setting for each U setting? if so that would be great and beat the Z8/Z9)
Doesn't that end up being the same as the banks?
With the Z8/Z9, you have the option of custom settings banks, so you can have four different recall shooting function settings if necessary.
Although only one is possible per bank, there are four banks, A, B, C, and D, so you can also store four different recall shooting configurations there if necessary.
Since you can mix shooting banks and custom settings banks, you can select different recall shooting configurations by selecting the respective custom setting bank.
In my opinion, it's pretty much the same whether I have three U-modes with different recall shooting settings or four custom setting banks with different recall shooting functions.
snapsy wrote:
I just tried it again using my same workflow and it's showing credentials on the online CAI verify tool for images I take now. If I re-upload the image I took a few hours earlier it still doesn't show credentials on it. Very strange, considering nothing changed on the camera side and you wouldn't think there would be any dependence on anything on Nikon's servers.
Give it a try and see if it works for you now as well.
Still nothing for me. Files show the Cr logo on review but the verify tool shows “No credential”. Maybe the credentials only get uploaded to C2PA once or twice a day and mine missed the cutoff? I’ll try again this evening and see if anything changes.
Jman13 wrote:
Still nothing for me. Files show the Cr logo on review but the verify tool shows “No credential”. Maybe the credentials only get uploaded to C2PA once or twice a day and mine missed the cutoff? I’ll try again this evening and see if anything changes.
Interesting. I checked my original images with an offline C2PA tool and they were missing the credentials, whereas the new images I took just an hour ago had them. Same camera, same firmware, same cert/setup, but suddenly the new image have the certs embedded in them whereas the older ones do not. It's very strange - it appears the camera has some reliance on an online service or one-time event before it starts working.
Here's the offline C2PA tool I used. You can download prebuilt binaries if you don't want to build it yourself:
I don't have Z9, but I can say about Z8 that there is only one recall setting for all the banks. You might get the impression they are different, but it is not. Try setting two banks with different settings, and then go back to first bank and check. It will have been modified to the one you set while in the other bank.
EDIT: My mistake. I have for over a year been confusing shooting banks with custom settings bank. Recall settings are indeed different for each custom settings bank.
Vento wrote:
Doesn't that end up being the same as the banks?
With the Z8/Z9, you have the option of custom settings banks, so you can have four different recall shooting function settings if necessary.
Although only one is possible per bank, there are four banks, A, B, C, and D, so you can also store four different recall shooting configurations there if necessary.
Since you can mix shooting banks and custom settings banks, you can select different recall shooting configurations by selecting the respective custom setting bank.
In my opinion, it's pretty much the same whether I have three U-modes with different recall shooting settings or four custom setting banks with different recall shooting functions.
indusphoto wrote:
I don't have Z9, but I can say about Z8 that there is only one recall setting for all the banks. You might get the impression they are different, but it is not. Try setting two banks with different settings, and then go back to first bank and check. It will have been modified to the one you set while in the other bank.
My recollection was the same as yours but I just tried it again on my Z8 and it's now remembering different recall settings for different banks. For example, I set bank 'A' to use Recall to set the shooting mode to Aperture Priority and bank 'B' to use Recall to set to Shutter Priority. Switching between banks A and B changes the Recall behavior as configured. Maybe this was a bug and got fixed.
indusphoto wrote:
I don't have Z9, but I can say about Z8 that there is only one recall setting for all the banks. You might get the impression they are different, but it is not. Try setting two banks with different settings, and then go back to first bank and check. It will have been modified to the one you set while in the other bank.
I don't have a Z9 either, just a Z8, which works fine for me.
This way, I can have up to 4 different recall shooting configurations with four different custom settings banks.
In some banks, for example, I have configured an Action Emergency Button via Recall Shooting, which calls up a preconfigured instant setting for fast action.
In other banks, I have simply configured a subject detection kill switch.
So it works for me, either I have a special model of the Z8, or it works with all Z8 bodies.
I haven't set more than three different recall shooting function settings yet, but the three different ones I currently use, Action Emergency Button, Subject Detection kill switch + spot metering, remain separate and independent of each other in their respective custom setting banks and can be mixed with the respective shooting banks.
Nothing is overwritten; you can assign an individual recall shooting function configuration to each custom bank, A, B, C, D, and this configuration remains in place until you make changes.
Perhaps that wasn't possible at the time of the Z8's release.
I haven't had the Z8 for very long, only a few months, mine came with patch 2.10 and since then it has definitely been possible with the Z8 to use up to four different Recall Shooting function configurations using the four available custom settings banks, A, B, C, D.
jlafferty wrote:
Insane. This was for my uses the only thing missing from the shooting experience, and I’d accepted they were probably not going to address it, possibly ever. Hot damn.
Good to see that addition since it now allows me to configure the Z6III and Z8 Custom Controls for still the same way. This is a very robust update and I commend Nikon for doing it. I previously owned the Sony A1 which while a very good camera had very sparse updates.
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