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Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!

  
 
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Choderboy wrote:
Great to see those pictures.
With the rear element so close to the sensor, I'd imagine any dust on the rear element would appear very similar to if it were on the sensor cover glass.


Hopefully, the manufacturing tolerance is very high or else it'll be a massive disappointment on a $5k camera. I guess one could say the weather sealing is just marketing since Sony wouldn't honor any warranty due to the elements anyway, but it won't change the fact that dust appearing inside the camera would be a disappointment.



Jul 22, 2025 at 07:25 PM
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lsquare wrote:
I could see weak points around or on the lens, but where could the entry point be around the nameplate?


i mean the lens nameplate ring. it is glued on fairly loosely and there are a couple of ingress points under it.



Jul 22, 2025 at 07:59 PM
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p.33 #3 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!


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Jul 22, 2025 at 09:27 PM
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lsquare wrote:
I guess one could say the weather sealing is just marketing since Sony wouldn't honor any warranty due to the elements anyway, but it won't change the fact that dust appearing inside the camera would be a disappointment.


Sony isn’t claiming weather sealing for this camera. This canard seems to have originated from an error on the B&H web site.



Jul 22, 2025 at 10:03 PM
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Jul 22, 2025 at 10:35 PM
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Douglas L wrote:
Funny I was browsing this thread with passing interest, now I may pick up a Fuji X100VI after doing some research! $5000 is too rich for me.


As much as I would want a FF, it’s tough to justify the thousands more over the X100 VI.



Jul 23, 2025 at 03:58 AM
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p.33 #7 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!


Juha Kannisto wrote:
The Japan market price is referred to as 660000 JPY in many sources (it should include 10% tax) and if that's the specific price that will be charged at Sony online store and certain other stores like Bic Camera, Yodobashi Camera etc. there will probably be other stores like Map Camera where the tax-inclusive price will be about 10% less (around 600K), following the usual pricing among those stores.


If I go on Map Camera and use the currency converter, it puts it at 539100 JPY or 3164 EUR.
https://www.mapcamera.com/item/fx/4548736172357?CurrencyCode=EUR
Now that is a deal! I'd get one at that price



Jul 23, 2025 at 05:13 AM
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p.33 #8 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!


The YT videos are very helpful but neither makes a compelling image quality assessment. The first prefers the Q3 as "small enough" and he "likes" the Q3 IQ a little better, but is not a serious comparison of the two. And the second dislikes a number of features important to him. As expected, both of them show how small differences in personal preference can add up to completely different choices, for them. As we see here in the mixed responses, too.


Jul 23, 2025 at 05:31 AM
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Alan Parker wrote:
If I go on Map Camera and use the currency converter, it puts it at 539100 JPY or 3164 EUR.
https://www.mapcamera.com/item/fx/4548736172357?CurrencyCode=EUR
Now that is a deal! I'd get one at that price


Yes, that's the Japan tax free price at Map Camera, Fujiya Camera etc. Japanese UI only though but maybe worth it for the price difference for certain users.



Jul 23, 2025 at 06:02 AM
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The RX1RIII issue:
1. Sony's main selling point is the technical advancement and G/GM lens designs. This camera has none of them. The lens is old design and it wouldn't have to be a problem on different price level. Also indeed Sony implemented the latest AF AI chip, but the lens AF motor is holding it back. None of the lens sharpness/CA and AF speed are up to modern Sony high-end standards, still it's priced into the high-end category.
2. Shutter speed. The 1/2000s can cause problem in harsh sunny day wide open. Either you have to close down the aperture, use ND filter or rely on slow readout electronic shutter. Also leaf shutter cause loss of bokeh as EFCS at higher shutter speeds. Not a deal-breaker issue, but can be quite frustrating.
3. Lack of stabilisation. I'm aware it's impossible to implement keeping the size, but the camera is too small and light for decent handheld, what is way less problem with GFX100RF, where the wider FOV also helping (not at pixel level of course)
4. No tilting screen. Not have had a feature is a less deal than loosing it. It's painful to step backward to fixed screen.
5. Lack of weather sealing. Competition has some kind of sealing.

What I expected in RX1RIII:
1. Upgraded lens design in same size (it'd need more distortion correction), sharp wide open, fast AF motor, built in auto ND filter like in GR3.
2. 2.1M dot tilting screen.
3. I don't mind, even prefer wider body for better handheld shooting and bigger battery

Of course I'd accept certain shortcomings, like lack of IBIS (with improved grip), the small EVF for absolute portability.



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Lukacs wrote:
The RX1RIII issue:


If we’re going to fantasise about what some alternative RX1 III might have been, I’d have wanted the A9 III’s global shutter, the deletion of the EVF and its replacement by a flash, a higher-res fixed rear LCD, and of course weather sealing. The trouble is we all have different ideas of what the Mk III should have been, and it’s a low volume item. One thing many people do seem to want is that exact lens, whatever you or I might think, so I guess Sony started from there.

I do not find the ergonomics a problem, because I don’t have a viewfinder for my RX1.

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Jul 23, 2025 at 06:29 AM
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The rx1riii spec wise is an improvement in every way over the beloved rx1rii (besides losing out on the tilt screen). I'm especially glad that they kept the lens since the rendering from this camera is one of my favorites. Had they changed the lens, id take it as a completely different camera. The battery upgrade would probably be my main reason to purchase this as the old one would frequently drain battery fast for me. My only gripe is the price, so I will be waiting for a few years to pick up a used one. My rx1rii will stay around until then


Jul 23, 2025 at 06:29 AM
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Lukacs wrote:
The RX1RIII issue:
1. Sony's main selling point is the technical advancement and G/GM lens designs. This camera has none of them. The lens is old design and it wouldn't have to be a problem on different price level. Also indeed Sony implemented the latest AF AI chip, but the lens AF motor is holding it back. None of the lens sharpness/CA and AF speed are up to modern Sony high-end standards, still it's priced into the high-end category.
2. Shutter speed. The 1/2000s can cause problem in harsh sunny day wide open. Either you have to close down the aperture, use
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I completely agree with all of your points. As a background, I have extensively shot with the RX1R and RX1RII. I would add that I really miss the built-in flash that was on the RX1R - something I miss when traveling. Below, is an example of a shot taken twelve years ago outside of the Vatican gift shop. I used the built-in flash a ton for fill light. I now use the tiny Godox iT30 with my A7CR, but it is far less convenient.

I shot the Leica Q3, for awhile, with its 1/4000 leaf-shutter speed (and f1.7 lens speed). I solved the bright outdoors problem by leaving a polarizing filter on the lens which provided an effective 1.0 to 1.5 stop reduction (1/8000). This solution would not work as well with the RX1RIII with its 1/2000 mechanical shutter speed.

After the RX1RIII announcement, I was most unhappy with the lack of IBIS (or lens OS). I then realized the fatal flaw, for me personally, was the lack of tilting LCD screen. I take a lot of "low" shots and do not wish to revert back to kneeling, as I did in my younger days. Further, to avoid distortions shooting 35mm (the Zeiss lens is actually closer to 33mm) it is important to shoot people along the neutral lens axis. At a little over 6'2", I cannot achieve such at eye level.

To be perfectly honest, I was a bit angry with Sony when they released the RX1RIII spec's. I'm over it, now. My small A7CR fills my travel needs quite well (despite the annoying low-resolution EVF), so I have no room to really complain. Perhaps the RX1RIV will bring us the camera we really want(?).







RX1R, ISO 100, f2.5, 1/80, pop-up flash, taken in 2013



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Jul 23, 2025 at 07:33 AM
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melcat wrote:
If we’re going to fantasise about what some alternative RX1 III might have been, I’d have wanted the A9 III’s global shutter, the deletion of the EVF and its replacement by a flash, a higher-res fixed rear LCD, and of course weather sealing. The trouble is we all have different ideas of what the Mk III should have been, and it’s a low volume item. One thing many people do seem to want is that exact lens, whatever you or I might think, so I guess Sony started from there.

I do not find the ergonomics a problem, because I don’t
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I don't know a photographic centric point and shoot 35mm lens camera why would need a really expensive global shutter sensor. A built in ND filter would solve all problem for lot cheaper.
Still despite of shortcomings, FF F2 separation in this size combined a fast and reliable AF is quite a deal. Sony's AF is so effortless.



Jul 23, 2025 at 07:38 AM
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Lukacs wrote:
I don't know a photographic centric point and shoot 35mm lens camera why would need a really expensive global shutter sensor.


To eliminate any bokeh effects from electronic first curtain shutter, to avoid flicker and banding with LED lighting, and to allow higher shutter speeds with flash sync at all speeds.

(I’ve never noticed bokeh effects from the EFCS, but in response to your earlier post I examined my RX1 under a light with 1 second exposure. I pressed the shutter button, nothing happened for 1 second, then the leaves closed. It is indeed an EFCS! I never guessed that. The shutter leaves are separate from and behind the iris.)

A global shutter would retain flash sync at 1/2000, and extend it to all shutter speeds. The lens could be redesigned without the constraint of the leaf shutter.

Meanwhile, in reality, the leaf shutter on all versions of the RX1 allows flash sync at 1/2000 at f/2 and at higher speeds stopped down. This is important because it lets you use a very small flash unit for fill flash at higher shutter speeds. With a focal plane shutter, you need a much bigger flash because it has to fire a sequence of pulses if shooting below the sync speed, which means a chunky power supply and heat dissipation. As illustrated by the portrait in the post above, this is one of the strengths of this camera, especially the first versions which came with the built-in flash.

I’ve never noticed bokeh problems and don’t mind carrying a 49mm ND filter. The existing design does the job, but probably wouldn’t have been how it was done if designed from scratch now.



Jul 23, 2025 at 08:13 AM
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InFocus2014 wrote:
I completely agree with all of your points. As a background, I have extensively shot with the RX1R and RX1RII. I would add that I really miss the built-in flash that was on the RX1R - something I miss when traveling. Below, is an example of a shot taken twelve years ago outside of the Vatican gift shop. I used the built-in flash a ton for fill light. I now use the tiny Godox iT30 with my A7CR, but it is far less convenient.

I shot the Leica Q3, for awhile, with its 1/4000 leaf-shutter speed (and f1.7 lens speed). I
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A slight correction. The RX1Riii has a top mechanical shutter speed of 1/4000th. In sunny-16 conditions, the RX1Riii at ISO 100 yields 1/4000th and f/2.5. The Q3 has a top mechanical shutter speed of 1/2000th. In sunny-16 conditions, the Q3 at ISO 100 yields 1/2000th and f/3.5. To photograph at f/1.7 in sunny-16 light conditions, the Q3 needs a 2-stop ND filter (or a bit more).



Jul 23, 2025 at 09:16 AM
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melcat wrote:
Sony isn’t claiming weather sealing for this camera. This canard seems to have originated from an error on the B&H web site.


The Sony marketing material DID indicate that improved seals were added to protect against dust and moisture. But the text noticeably refrained from calling it "weather sealed." The verbiage was in the section touting the magnesium alloy body; specifically, in the text below the picture of the stripped down magnesium alloy body frame.




Jul 23, 2025 at 09:24 AM
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NJPhotographer wrote:
The RX1Riii has a top mechanical shutter speed of 1/4000th. In sunny-16 conditions, the RX1Riii at ISO 100 yields 1/4000th and f/2.5. The Q3 has a top mechanical shutter speed of 1/2000th. In sunny-16 conditions, the Q3 at ISO 100 yields 1/2000th and f/3.5. To photograph at f/1.7 in sunny-16 light conditions, the Q3 needs a 2-stop ND filter (or a bit more).


The shutter on the original RX1 is 1/4000 at f/5.6, 1/3200 at f/5, and 1/2000 at f/3.5 and faster. This is completely normal behaviour for a leaf shutter, and makes sense if you think about how those work. Although the specs at sony.com.au just say 1/4000 mechanical, I would be very surprised if it was any different from the figures I gave here (which I got by testing my RX1).

So the RX1 is not going to get to 1/4000 at f/2.5. I carry an ND 0.6 (2 stop).



Jul 23, 2025 at 09:36 AM
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Cloudbow wrote:
The Sony marketing material DID indicate that improved seals were added to protect against dust and moisture. But the text noticeably refrained from calling it "weather sealed." The verbiage was in the section touting the magnesium alloy body; specifically, in the text below the picture of the stripped down magnesium alloy body frame.


No such text appears in that section on the current Australian site:

https://www.sony.com.au/electronics/cyber-shot-compact-cameras/dsc-rx1rm3?cpint=compact-cameras_golden_area-goldenarea-en_GL-goldenarea_productsdetails_1

I notice also that Gordon Laing, who is in the UK, has been batting away claims that Sony says it’s weather sealed in the comments section of his “first look” video, at one point resorting to typing in all caps. Sony made no such claim to him.



Jul 23, 2025 at 09:43 AM
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gordec wrote:
I'm not sure how many here truly used RX1 or RX1Rii. The MKii was an amazing camera for it's purpose. Full frame in such a small package, and it's not just any lens. That Sonnar is legendary. The 3 biggest issues most MKii users had are:

1. Horrible battery life. This should be fixed because it's a new larger capacity battery.
2. Popup EVF. Looks like this is fixed. No one expects a A7 size EVF. You just need to see your composition in sun light.
3. Weather sealing. Basically all Rx1Rs eventually get sensor dust. I'm not sure if this is
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It seems that Sony may have removed bullet 3, can not find it on Sony US site, only at bhphoto now.

"Robust magnesium alloy body offers a durable profile and incorporates dust and moisture seals to protect against harsh environments."

Let me know if anyone else can find it.



Jul 23, 2025 at 10:23 AM
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