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Voigtlander 28mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review

  
 
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p.15 #1 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


Either earlier in this thread or in another one, someone stated that the incorrect size is listed in the current Cron's data sheet.

The 28 Cron v3 release announcement at Red Dot Forum states it's 1mm longer than the previous version, which according to Leica's data sheet is 41.4mm, but then at the end of the article says it's 55mm long (like in the data sheet specs)... which just confuses the matter. Not sure if they meant with the hood extended?

The Cron v2 was apparently a very mild optical tweak of the original in order to flatten the field and optimize it for digital (v1 was pre-digital, released in 2000). I had v1 for a number of years and bought v2. They were nearly identical in size but v2 had the nice, more compact square metal screw-on hood. Both early copies of v2 that I had, had problems and were returned because they didn't outperform v1. But others have since stated their copies realize the improvements stated by Leica. I didn't revisit v2 and went for the Lux instead (which presented other tradeoffs).

The first paragraph of the Red Dot Forum's Cron v3 article states it's the same optical formula as v2, which means no major changes from the original.

IMO, the original was already very good. The only quality that bothered me was the outward curving field curvature at wider apertures that affected across-frame sharpness of flat subject matter (such as group photos, for example). And as Steve suggested, the clip on plastic hood sucked (I used a self-modded screw on vented hood). There was a very nice, very expensive, apparently limited release 12466 vented hood (LUF wiki) for another lens that also fit the 28 Cron v1, but I could never find one, or justify its price on the resale market (currently listed on eBay for $1400 and up). But its design didn't reduce bulkiness, given it was quite large in diameter. It was just a lot more solid than the cheap feeling stock plastic clip-on hood.


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Aug 03, 2025 at 02:23 PM
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p.15 #2 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


Backyard scene in August 3, 2025
Leica SL2s and Voigtlander 28mm F2 APO-Lanthar VM
using Novoflex LET/LEM adapter
Impressive performance similar to Leica Elmar-M 24mm F3.8
(less 3D pop, but bit sharper than Leica Elmarit-R 28mm F2.8 V2 E55 except center part - negligible at 24Mpx)





Leica SL2s and VM 50mm F2 APO-Lantahar




Aug 03, 2025 at 02:35 PM
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p.15 #3 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


rscheffler wrote:
Either earlier in this thread or in another one, someone stated that the incorrect size is listed in the current Cron's data sheet.

The 28 Cron v3 release announcement at Red Dot Forum states it's 1mm longer than the previous version, which according to Leica's data sheet is 41.4mm, but then at the end of the article says it's 55mm long (like in the data sheet specs)... which just confuses the matter. Not sure if they meant with the hood extended?

The Cron v2 was apparently a very mild optical tweak of the original in order to flatten the field and optimize
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https://www.summilux.net/m_system/images/Summicron28Asph.pdf

Spec sheet reads 40.8 x 53 at 270g on the linked version above.

vs.

28 Apo Lanthar → 55,6 x 50 mm, 265g

28 Summicron (current) → 58 x 55 mm, 275g



Aug 03, 2025 at 02:55 PM
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p.15 #4 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


gammarART wrote:
Here’s a quick aperture serie (handheld): f/2.0, 4.0, 5.6, 8.0 and 11….


So, that raises a question I have. Since this APO lens is not (yet?) available in E-mount, is it still better to get this with an adapter, or the native Sony Nokton 28/1.5?

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Aug 03, 2025 at 03:19 PM
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goo0h wrote:
So, that raises a question I have. Since this APO lens is not (yet?) available in E-mount, is it still better to get this with an adapter, or the native Sony Nokton 28/1.5?


The issue with non-native E-mount lenses is as follows: You have to activate the focus magnifier using a button.
Due to the lack of electrical contacts, the camera doesn’t automatically detect whether the focus ring is being turned (on the M, this works through the rangefinder coupling, which provides the necessary input to the camera).
This means on my Sony: first press the button to activate the focus magnifier. Focus. Second press the button for the next magnification level (not necessary for me with the 28mm). Third press to deactivate the focus magnifier again. My Sony cannot exit the focus magnifier by tapping the shutter button, which is super annoying.

Therefore, if I really want to use a manual lens only on a Sony, I would always prefer a native E-mount version if there is one.



Aug 03, 2025 at 03:35 PM
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p.15 #6 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


goo0h wrote:
So, that raises a question I have. Since this APO lens is not (yet?) available in E-mount, is it still better to get this with an adapter, or the native Sony Nokton 28/1.5?

Amos



Fred addressed this earlier in this thread.
Having to stop down to f/5.6 for good sharpness changes the value proposition for this lens? Unless you have a Kolari sensor mod?



Aug 03, 2025 at 05:38 PM
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p.15 #7 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


There are other issues -- I don't even want it to start auto focussing when I turn the focus ring, I turn it off.

With non-native E mount voigtlander lenses there's sometimes noticeably weaker performance, more apparent with wider lenses from what I hear, so will be curious also.

Things like weaker corners I think. Not sure about this exact lens.



Aug 03, 2025 at 05:47 PM
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p.15 #8 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


mzbe wrote:
Fred addressed this earlier in this thread.
Having to stop down to f/5.6 for good sharpness changes the value proposition for this lens? Unless you have a Kolari sensor mod?


Since many photographers want to adapt the Voigtlander 28mm f/2 APO-Lanthar VM lens to their mirrorless cameras, let me explain what you can realistically expect from this setup. To get the best performance from this lens, it needs to be paired with the Leica thin sensor stack it was originally designed for. That's key.

What happens when you adapt the lens to a camera that has a thicker sensor stack? When shooting a flat subject that covers the entire frame, the extra thickness tends to amplify or cause field curvature. This means that what's perfectly sharp and in focus at the center won't stay sharp at the edges. As my review shows, the CV 28/2 APO has a flat field, but only when used on a Leica body or a modified camera with a thin sensor stack, like the Kolari modification.

That said, if you focus on something at mid-frame wide open, that area will still have high resolution and strong contrast because it's right on the focus plane. However, the out-of-focus areas will look uneven due to the FC caused by the thicker sensor stack. For example, the corners might appear sharper than they should when out of focus, which can look a bit strange and distracting.

So, the lens will remain sharp wherever you focus, but the evenness of its rendering across the frame will suffer because that evenness is one of this lens's greatest strengths. It won't perform as perfectly as on the Leica sensor stack because the thicker glass adds some optical imperfections, mainly causing field curvature that wouldn't originally be present.. Still, the APO qualities and most other characteristics of the lens will remain largely unchanged.



Aug 03, 2025 at 05:56 PM
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p.15 #9 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


gammarART wrote:
My Sony cannot exit the focus magnifier by tapping the shutter button, which is super annoying.

Therefore, if I really want to use a manual lens only on a Sony, I would always prefer a native E-mount version if there is one.


this is not the way any sony i have used performs, what sony camera are you using that doesn't exit focus magnifier with a half press? everyone i've used either does that automatically or has a setting to make it do that.

the auto magnify on turning the focus ring bugs me no end, it is the first thing i turn off whenever i use a lens that can activate that, so adapted lenses work the same for me as e-mount manual focus except IBIS isn't quite as effective.



Aug 03, 2025 at 08:45 PM
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p.15 #10 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


gammarART wrote:
The issue with non-native E-mount lenses is as follows: You have to activate the focus magnifier using a button.
Due to the lack of electrical contacts, the camera doesn’t automatically detect whether the focus ring is being turned (on the M, this works through the rangefinder coupling, which provides the necessary input to the camera).
This means on my Sony: first press the button to activate the focus magnifier. Focus. Second press the button for the next magnification level (not necessary for me with the 28mm). Third press to deactivate the focus magnifier again. My Sony cannot exit the focus magnifier
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The setting to exit focus magnifier by half-pressing the shutter button is not obvious, but with recent Sony cameras it seems to be linked to the setting that allows AF in magnified view:

https://helpguide.sony.net/ilc/2360/v1/en/contents/0405J_AF_in_focus_magni.html

If AF is set to be allowed in magnified view, half-pressing shutter button doesn't cause the magnified view to be exited. However, if AF is set as not allowed in magnified view, then you can exit magnified view with half-press of shutter button.

This may not be intuitive since AF is not going to work with MF lenses in any case, but I found this correlation in my personal use (since I wanted AF to work in magnified view with my AF lenses, but I also want to exit magnified view with half-press of shutter button with my MF lenses). I added a shortcut to this option in "My Menu" to be able to switch it easily between those 2 options depending on whether I'm using an AF or MF lens.



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p.15 #11 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


Fred Miranda wrote:
...the extra thickness tends to amplify or cause field curvature...


Agreed. The APO-Lanthar's flat field is one of its biggest differentiators from the other 28mm options out there (including BTW the 'holy grail' Otus 28mm).

I relate to your point about adapting lenses. That whole routine of "focus-magnify-pan-check" to fight against a lens's field curvature is a workaround I really try to avoid.

This makes me wonder about a potential paradox with this lens on a thick-stack camera. Could its incredible sharpness make the problem more noticeable? My theory is that because the lens resolves so much detail, any field curvature introduced by the sensor stack would be more obvious. The difference between sharp and soft areas might look more like a technical 'flaw' than the 'character' gentle rendering of a lens that has some inherent curvature to begin with and was designed & tuned with those limitations in mind (example: Lux 28).



Aug 04, 2025 at 12:51 AM
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mzbe wrote:
Agreed. The APO-Lanthar's flat field is one of its biggest differentiators from the other 28mm options out there (including BTW the 'holy grail' Otus 28mm).

I relate to your point about adapting lenses. That whole routine of "focus-magnify-pan-check" to fight against a lens's field curvature is a workaround I really try to avoid.

This makes me wonder about a potential paradox with this lens on a thick-stack camera. Could its incredible sharpness make the problem more noticeable? My theory is that because the lens resolves so much detail, any field curvature introduced by the sensor stack would be more obvious. The difference
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I think the APO lenses are generally more troublesome to adapt to Sony E than non-APO lenses. Fred found in his earlier testing that CV 35/2 and 50/2 VM APO-Lanthars adapted relatively badly to Sony, although the 50/3.5 AL adapts very well. Wider angle APOs could be expected to be even more difficult. With APO lenses users will typically have high expectations of flat field and apochromatic behavior so it would be more of a disappointment when those characteristics are not met as expected due to sensor stack induced field curvature effects. There are of course already E and Z mount versions of these older lenses too (except 50/3.5), which will work perfectly well on their native systems.

I have adapted a lot of rangefinder lenses to Sony E and I find the lenses with more character (technical 'flaws') to adapt more nicely in general. For example MS-Optical lenses adapt very nicely overall.

With this 28/2 AL, I think for Sony E and Nikon Z users it would definitely make sense to wait for the native mirrorless versions, which I'm pretty sure will arrive within a year. And there's already the 28/1.5 Nokton available in E and Z, which could be another option to consider (I have E-mount version of that one).



Aug 04, 2025 at 01:42 AM
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Juha Kannisto wrote:
I think the APO lenses are generally more troublesome to adapt to Sony E than non-APO lenses. Fred found in his earlier testing that CV 35/2 and 50/2 VM APO-Lanthars adapted relatively badly to Sony, although the 50/3.5 AL adapts very well. Wider angle APOs could be expected to be even more difficult. With APO lenses users will typically have high expectations of flat field and apochromatic behavior so it would be more of a disappointment when those characteristics are not met as expected due to sensor stack induced field curvature effects. There are of course already E and
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Does Cosina still have any CP+ lenses left that were not officially released by now? If not, we might get lucky and get an announcement for the 28 APO in other mounts as soon as next week. They typically announce stuff around the 15th, right?



Aug 04, 2025 at 03:00 AM
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p.15 #14 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


fjablo wrote:
Does Cosina still have any CP+ lenses left that were not officially released by now? If not, we might get lucky and get an announcement for the 28 APO in other mounts as soon as next week. They typically announce stuff around the 15th, right?


They don't have any CV lenses left to release from CP+ announcements, but Otus 85/1.4 is still on the pipeline (announced for September release (without specific date yet) for all 3 mounts). If they are not too busy with Otus preparation, there is a chance they might announce some new CV lens for September release soon.

Normally they make their announcements on 15th of each month (if it doesn't fall into weekend or national holiday), but this time Japan has Obon holidays from August 13th to 16th. So the announcement would probably not come on 15th. Not sure what is the best substitute for new announcements this month as it might not make sense to announce new products just before Obon holidays either. It might make more sense to announce on the week after (if there is a pending announcement).



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p.15 #15 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


The premise of taking an APO that has gone to great levels of precision in order to get the wavelengths to converge properly ... and then forcing it through an optical path (wrong stack) that it was never designed for ... is a bit like taking a Monte Blanc and trying to write on sandpaper with it.

Sure, you'll be using a Monte Blanc, but you're not gonna get the same experience with it as if you were writing on a piece of fine paper.

At the center, where the light rays are most perpendicular to the stack, the refraction variance will not be significantly effected. But, the greater you change the angle of incidence (from perpendicular), the greater the angle of refraction will continue to "mis-align" the wavelengths, thus defeating the APO's precision. The wider you go (and thus, farther from perpendicular), the tougher it gets.

If you're looking at adapting the APO and using its Apochromatic properties in Zone A, allowing for Zone B / C to be non-Apochromatic, due to the AI=AR as it passes through the stack at wider angles ... then that's where things will land. If this were a 90mm APO being adapted, then the AI=AR being more telecentric / collimated (i.e. closer to perpendicular) might not be as greatly efffect. But, with a WA ... I can't see any reason to expect that the Apochromatic properties would be retained by adapting to the wrong size stack, as the optical path (and greater angles of AI=AR) moves from Zone A > Zone B > Zone C.

I mean, the APO is trying to align wavelengths of light in terms on nanometer precision, and we're talking about forcing the light path through a stack that is roughly 1mm thicker (nm 10^-9 vs. mm 10^-3) ... throwing off the alignment, predicated on the AI=AR passing through the greater distance, as the light is diverging vs. converging.

Whatever amount of wavelength misalignment is occurring through an M stack, due to its AI=AR ... if the adapted stack thickness is greater than that of the M, the misalignment of wavelength is going to be proportionally greater (basic trigonometry).

This principle of Leica using a thinner stack, is key to reducing the divergence of the light. The impact of moving away from that thickness, is going to effect the projection. This is true in general ... but, as the precision of the APO is more refined, then need to retain it, is then a greater "mismatch" ... i.e. exceed the precision of the APO's wavelength alignment.

Except for the benefit to Zone A, why bother with the extra size of the APO, if the thicker stack is gonna mitigate the APO precision in Zone B / C on an adapted body? If you're good with the Zone A precision of Apochromatic, foregoing Zone B / C ... then, sure why not. Otherwise, why?



Think about it.






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p.15 #16 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


Juha Kannisto wrote:
If AF is set to be allowed in magnified view, half-pressing shutter button doesn't cause the magnified view to be exited. However, if AF is set as not allowed in magnified view, then you can exit magnified view with half-press of shutter button.


Works great 🙌 Thank you very much!



Aug 04, 2025 at 06:35 AM
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p.15 #17 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


This lens rivals my 35 Cron APO in a lot of ways....even sharpness across the image being one. Out of focus rendering another.




















































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p.15 #18 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


I have only taken it out briefly around the neighborhood so far but it does seem like a magnificent lens so far. I had planned to take it to the French Alps later this month but got injured and have to likely postpone the trip.


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p.15 #19 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


RustyBug wrote:
https://www.summilux.net/m_system/images/Summicron28Asph.pdf

Spec sheet reads 40.8 x 53 at 270g on the linked version above.

vs.



Unfortunately, that spec sheet is wrong. Even looking at the images of the lenses (v1 vs. current version) it's clear that they are almost the same length. The current version is larger in diameter by a bit, and maybe 2mm longer, but no more than that. Definitely noticeably shorter than the Apo-Lanthar. Just compare the size of the mount diameter to the lens length with the assumption that the images weren't compressed differentially in the two axes.

This type of mistake in the specifications that are published in lens pdf's is hardly unusual in Leica's case, and for that matter, also in other manufactureres'.

Whether this matters to anyone is of course a different topic.



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p.15 #20 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 APO-Lanthar Review


Henning wrote:
This type of mistake in the specifications that are published in lens pdf's is hardly unusual in Leica's case, and for that matter, also in other manufactureres'.


I've noticed this with a lot of Leica lenses. I'm not sure if it's intentional, but considering the level of German precision that goes into designing and building these lenses with such tight tolerances, it's surprising how often the listed dimensions and weights end up being off.




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