p.6 #3 · Thypoch Simera 28mm f/1.4 ASPH. Type II Review
Some samples of the Z-mount Simera 28mm f/1.4, shot on the Z8. In my haste to setup a custom settings bank for unchipped MF lens shooting, I left one of my front custom buttons set to activate APS-C crop (I usually have it set that way for wildlife). I then unknowingly hit it at some point and didn't notice, so some of the RAWs ended up cropped to APS-C.
Shot at f/8.
NIKON Z 8THYPOCH 28MM F1.4 lens28mmf/1.41/1250s64 ISO-0.7 EV
Shot at f/8
NIKON Z 8THYPOCH 28MM F1.4 lens28mmf/1.41/250s64 ISO-0.7 EV
Shot at f/1.4
NIKON Z 8THYPOCH 28MM F1.4 lens28mmf/1.41/250s80 ISO-0.7 EV
Shot at f/8
NIKON Z 8THYPOCH 28MM F1.4 lens28mmf/1.41/250s400 ISO-0.7 EV
Shot at f/1.4
NIKON Z 8THYPOCH 28MM F1.4 lens28mmf/1.41/1000s64 ISO-0.7 EV
Shot at f/1.4
NIKON Z 8THYPOCH 28MM F1.4 lens28mmf/1.41/500s64 ISO-0.7 EV
Shot at f/8 (I think)
NIKON Z 8THYPOCH 28MM F1.4 lens28mmf/1.41/250s140 ISO-0.7 EV
Shot at f/8
NIKON Z 8THYPOCH 28MM F1.4 lens28mmf/1.41/250s280 ISO-0.7 EV
Shot at f/8
NIKON Z 8THYPOCH 28MM F1.4 lens28mmf/1.41/250s90 ISO-0.7 EV
Shot at f/1.4. Accidentally cropped in-camera to APS-C.
NIKON Z 8THYPOCH 28MM F1.4 lens28mmf/1.41/2000s64 ISO-0.7 EV
Shot at f/1.4. Accidentally cropped in-camera to APS-C. Near minimum focus distance.
NIKON Z 8THYPOCH 28MM F1.4 lens28mmf/1.41/250s900 ISO-0.7 EV
Shot at f/8. Accidentally cropped in-camera to APS-C.
NIKON Z 8THYPOCH 28MM F1.4 lens28mmf/1.41/8000s64 ISO-1.0 EV
p.6 #5 · Thypoch Simera 28mm f/1.4 ASPH. Type II Review
My M mount (focus tab) arrived today. It's my first m mount lens.
I'm using it with an a7cii using the voigtlander M to E II adaptor (have one for the fuji on the way).
First impressions:
I love that the box is actually sealed.
The lens is shorter than I expected, it's a shame I have to add the adaptor.
I like the look of the little dots, I hope that's sealed off.
The lens feels denser than I expected.
With this 65g adaptor too you do feel the weight (especially where it mounts and that's unusual to me), but it does feel premium. I have it with the smallrig baseplate (from the L bracket) that I like to use with the touger lenses.
I'm worried about dropping the camera more when picking it up probably because of the weight distribution being unfamiliar. Once it's in hand properly it's less of an issue.
With the focus tab, it makes a lot of sense for the knurling now. Usually I have the CV nokton lenses and the SE version without it. I prefer that. But with the focus ring, it makes sense to plant the thumb in one of those grooves.
The feel of the lens is amazing. I think it's even a little more premium feeling than the voigtlander e-mount. The way things click, sound and move. And there's nothing wrong the build quality of the nokton, it's fantasitc actually. This just shocked me a bit, I wasn't expecting it. Love the sounds it makes.
Notably there's a little dampened notch around 0.75m, I assume because of the leica rf mfd. A little nudge and it gets closer.
I don't know if it's because I'm using an adaptor and on the Sony, but infinity is just before the 10M mark, quite a way from the hard stop but feels like a little more leeway in terms of settling there comfortably.
I have not tested to compare them properly in terms of image quality. In the viewfinder it seemed the nokton was sharper at infinity, in the quick comparison I don't see it. At f8 I'm also not seeing the drop in resolution across the frame at longer distance.
I prefer the white balance I get from the images too - less green and it's also a little cooler.
I get the impression it's a little cleaner image (without considering bokeh) and less vintage - I see that in others images too. But I did not get to play with it much yet. But I do want the 50mm now too and 35mm would be great if it gives a similar feeling but I've read conflicting opinions on that.
The nokton feels more practical, this feels fun, novel and a little luxurious, even though it's significantly cheaper.
I suspect it's going to be too much for the x-e5 in terms of weight with the urth mount adaptor, but let's see what that's like.
p.6 #6 · Thypoch Simera 28mm f/1.4 ASPH. Type II Review
It's a fun lens to shoot for sure. Enjoy yours!
Yogifi wrote:
My M mount (focus tab) arrived today. It's my first m mount lens.
I'm using it with an a7cii using the voigtlander M to E II adaptor (have one for the fuji on the way).
First impressions:
I love that the box is actually sealed.
The lens is shorter than I expected, it's a shame I have to add the adaptor.
I like the look of the little dots, I hope that's sealed off.
The lens feels heavier than I expected.
With this 65g adaptor too you do feel the weight (especially where it mounts and that's unusual to me), but damn does it feel premium. I have it with the smallrig baseplate that I like to use with the denser lenses.
I'm worried about dropping the camera more when picking it up probably because of the weight distribution being unfamiliar. Once it's in hand properly it's less of an issue.
The feel of the lens is amazing. I think it's more premium than the voigtlander e-mount. The way things click and move.
The nokton is more practical with the focus ring rotation, with less resistance - but this feels like quality.
There's nothing wrong the build quality of the nokton, it's rather good actually. This just shocked me a bit, I wasn't expecting it to feel this premium.
There's a little soft click when you get to around 0.75m, I assume because of the leica rf mfd. A little nudge and it gets closer.
I don't know if it's because I'm using an adaptor, but when I get to like 10M, that's basically infinity, and then there is a tonne of rotation, like I'm rotating so much before it hits the hard stop - but the image stays in focus for most of it. With the CV e-mount lenses I'm used to having to pull it back a little bit, but then putting some effort to find the right spot. With this, it feels more like headroom, like I've just tonnes of it for infinity, I don't know why, it seems like a good thing, I'm not sure.
I have not tested to compare them properly in terms of image quality. In the viewfinder it seemed the nokton was sharper at infinity, in the quick comparison I don't see it. At f8 I'm also not seeing the drop in resolution across the frame at longer distance.
I get the impression it's a little cleaner. I did not get to play with it much yet.
I prefer the cooler white balance I get from the images. A little more magenta too, or less green I should say.
The nokton feels more practical, this feels fun and kind of luxurious, even though it's significantly cheaper.
I suspect it's going to be too much for the x-e5 in terms of weight with the urth mount adaptor, but let's see what that's like. ...Show more →
p.6 #7 · Thypoch Simera 28mm f/1.4 ASPH. Type II Review
Yogifi wrote:
Notably there's a little dampened notch around 0.75m, I assume because of the leica rf mfd. A little nudge and it gets closer.
Yes, it's to warn Leica M users that the lens has disengaged from the rangefinder cam.
I don't know if it's because I'm using an adaptor and on the Sony, but infinity is just before the 10M mark, quite a way from the hard stop but feels like a little more leeway in terms of settling there comfortably.
It's pretty typical that an adapted lens focuses at infinity with the focusing ring not quite at infinity because the adapter is slightly too short. It's better to err on the side of shorter than longer and not be able to reach infinity. The tradeoff is that lenses with floating element designs can perform sub optimally when the lens flange distance is off. It can result in worse across-frame performance, stronger field curvature, etc. If you want correct infinity focus, you will either have to shim the lens or the adapter. Some adapters allow for infinity adjustment for this reason.
p.6 #8 · Thypoch Simera 28mm f/1.4 ASPH. Type II Review
rscheffler wrote:
Yes, it's to warn Leica M users that the lens has disengaged from the rangefinder cam.
It's pretty typical that an adapted lens focuses at infinity with the focusing ring not quite at infinity because the adapter is slightly too short. It's better to err on the side of shorter than longer and not be able to reach infinity. The tradeoff is that lenses with floating element designs can perform sub optimally when the lens flange distance is off. It can result in worse across-frame performance, stronger field curvature, etc. If you want correct infinity focus, you will either have to shim the lens or the adapter. Some adapters allow for infinity adjustment for this reason....Show more →
I don't believe the Voigtlander M to E II (non-closefocussing) came with any and don't really want to open it up as I might get the 50mm f1.4 too. Otherwise some kitchen foil I'm reading
Thank you for sharing the knowledge.
A concern I had before even buying it (other than redundancy with the nokton) was that I can't actually check the lens out properly as it was meant to be used since I don't have an m-mount camera but for now I'm very happy to use as is, used to not having a hard stop from the CV lenses on e-mount already.
I wonder about the temperature variation part-reason for e-mount CV glass not focussing at the hard stop... With leicas, the lenses are at infinity at the hardstop, something about the rangefinder from what I understand - are they known to have issues in temperature extremes reaching infinity?
p.6 #9 · Thypoch Simera 28mm f/1.4 ASPH. Type II Review
You can look for adapter with close focus helicoid, which you can first set the lens to infinity, then set the helicoid to focus (which will protrude a little), so after that whenever you turn the lens to infinity you'll be sure it'll be on infinity.
Regarding Leica lenses on M bodies...none of the lens I had or tried will actually focus on infinity on infinity mark according to the rangefinder, it'll be a smidge before the mark to align with the RF. And they're all in focus. The Thypoch, interestingly, will align with RF when set further from the infinity mark, slightly more than Leica lenses.
Yogifi wrote:
I don't believe the Voigtlander M to E II (non-closefocussing) came with any and don't really want to open it up as I might get the 50mm f1.4 too. Otherwise some kitchen foil I'm reading
Thank you for sharing the knowledge.
A concern I had before even buying it (other than redundancy with the nokton) was that I can't actually check the lens out properly as it was meant to be used since I don't have an m-mount camera but for now I'm very happy to use as is, used to not having a hard stop from the CV lenses on e-mount already.
I wonder about the temperature variation part-reason for e-mount CV glass not focussing at the hard stop... With leicas, the lenses are at infinity at the hardstop, something about the rangefinder from what I understand - are they known to have issues in temperature extremes reaching infinity? ...Show more →
p.6 #10 · Thypoch Simera 28mm f/1.4 ASPH. Type II Review
Yogifi wrote:
Anyone tried this one on a Fuji aps-c?
I don't have an adaptor for m to x but the lens should be arriving...sometime. Would be like a 42mm or so.
The adaptor isn't expensive, was thinking the Urth one. Might a be a bit too big with the adaptor for the xe5.
I borrowed the m mount ver from my friend and also got the Fuji adaptor ( x-m ) for my xe5.
It was balance since I have the smallrig half case.
I don't know if other Fuji models are the same.
The focus thru VF was not clear enough, no matter which method ( split image , microprism etc ) I used. They are useless.
p.6 #11 · Thypoch Simera 28mm f/1.4 ASPH. Type II Review
zi464 wrote:
I borrowed the m mount ver from my friend and also got the Fuji adaptor ( x-m ) for my xe5.
It was balance since I have the smallrig half case.
I don't know if other Fuji models are the same.
The focus thru VF was not clear enough, no matter which method ( split image , microprism etc ) I used. They are useless.
I just returned the adaptor yesterday.
I haven't used it much yet but I think I know what you mean. I was in the garden just now trying it and it felt almost pixelated in the viewfinder. I was suspecting a software issue - it looked like large blocky pixels around (I think) contrasting edges. Trying it back indoors now and I'm not seeing it.
p.6 #12 · Thypoch Simera 28mm f/1.4 ASPH. Type II Review
After moving away from Thypoch 28mm, I start to pick up things that the Simera actually did better than 28mm Summilux. Shooting wide open at night is a treat with the Simera as the coma control is actually very good, while the lux produce stronger coma when there's strong light, so much so neon light characters will also have coma glow around them.
Also I felt while the Thypoch bokeh rendering is considered modern, the color palette and signature is actually more vintage'ish - warmer and greenish with blue slightly towards teal. Pairing with M9 produce images that closer to film than digital.
It's a unique lens which I'll keep it while I'll hunt down a nice M9 to go with it in the future.
p.6 #13 · Thypoch Simera 28mm f/1.4 ASPH. Type II Review
Just got mine, horsing around a little but surprised to see how much of the GFX 44x33 sensor it covers. Probably rubbish in the corners and I'd need a UVIR filter to test it on my full spectrum GFX, but interesting none the less.
p.6 #15 · Thypoch Simera 28mm f/1.4 ASPH. Type II Review
jeffersoncasey wrote:
Revisiting this fantastic lens, never cease to impress me after owning it since mid last year. Makes me want to hold on to it and shoot again!
I've owned the e-mount version since early April and took it on a trip to Paris and used it 75% of the time. All of my images from this lens are posted in the e-mount thread, but here's two from the Tuileries Garden. The 28mm really shines in many ways.
p.6 #16 · Thypoch Simera 28mm f/1.4 ASPH. Type II Review
Wezre wrote:
Some samples of the Z-mount Simera 28mm f/1.4, shot on the Z8. In my haste to setup a custom settings bank for unchipped MF lens shooting, I left one of my front custom buttons set to activate APS-C crop (I usually have it set that way for wildlife). I then unknowingly hit it at some point and didn't notice, so some of the RAWs ended up cropped to APS-C.
The 6th shot here is just gorgeous. Wonderful work.
p.6 #17 · Thypoch Simera 28mm f/1.4 ASPH. Type II Review
Hi Fred, was there anywhere you summarised differences between Thypoch and CV 28 APO, excluding obvious weight difference and aperture? That would be very useful for me. I like the bright aperture of Thypoch and like the sort of sparkle in the APO.
p.6 #18 · Thypoch Simera 28mm f/1.4 ASPH. Type II Review
thrice wrote:
Just got mine, horsing around a little but surprised to see how much of the GFX 44x33 sensor it covers. Probably rubbish in the corners and I'd need a UVIR filter to test it on my full spectrum GFX, but interesting none the less.
Will be a lens I use on the M10-R mostly.
Would you mind to post an unedited jpg of a white wall or sky just show the level of vignetting? I played around some RF and SLR lenses and found they varied quite a bit. Do you know if the Thypoch 28/1.4 hard vignettes?
p.6 #19 · Thypoch Simera 28mm f/1.4 ASPH. Type II Review
nehemiahphoto wrote:
Would you mind to post an unedited jpg of a white wall or sky just show the level of vignetting? I played around some RF and SLR lenses and found they varied quite a bit. Do you know if the Thypoch 28/1.4 hard vignettes?
