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p.56 #1 · Leica M EV1


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I was really really excited for this camera. I was considering pre-ordering one just last night as I was getting pumped up about it(the last camera I pre-ordered was the original Sony a7.)

I have an M11 and love fast lenses. I also have really bad eyesight. I wanted the Visoflex 2, but the laggy MF in the Visoflex gave me headaches and was annoying(the only EVF cameras I've tried without laggy MF is the SL series and the Sonys.)

I did not expect this camera to be inexpensive, in fact I fully expected it to be as much or more than
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I feel pretty much the same way, except this camera is exactly what I expected it to be. I wasn't optimistic that Leica would implement a new MF tool, or that there would be anything special about the EVF but its large size, and it is a large size EVF. That matters to me, and I really don't like the small 2.3M dot 65% mag small EVF in almost all small cameras. For me and my eyes this is the best EVF for a small camera by a pretty big margin.

Yes, Sony has the small A7Cr with essentially the same sensor and with a camera almost as small and you can modify that sensor so that it will effectively use M mount lenses but such a camera has for my eyes a terrible tiny EVF and no more focus aids than this camera.

Yes, Nikon has the Zf with an EVF that is almost as big has good focus aids and works pretty well with many M lens (but not close to all of them) but is a much bigger camera (495g for the Leica EV1 vs. 710g for the Nikon Zf) and has a much lower resolution sensor.

Yes, this camera is missing some things I would obviously like including IBIS and a tilting back screen, but I also recognize that it is smaller than either of these options from Sony or Nikon (and much smaller than the Nikon), it has a better EVF than either of these options (and IMO a much better EVF than the Sony), has IMO a much better sensor than the Nikon and as good of a sensor as the Sony and as many focus aids as the Sony. It isn't a perfect camera at all, but if I didn't consider price it would be my choice for this type of camera. In my view it occupies a unique space as the only camera with an excellent EVF, small size (and less than 500g is a really achievement), a great sensor that is tuned for Leica M mount lenses, and a native Leica M mount. For me personally, it is just too expensive for me to consider, but I am not surprised by the price in the least either.



Oct 24, 2025 at 06:06 AM
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p.56 #2 · Leica M EV1




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Perhaps there is some innovation. Maybe focus peaking will actually be accurate, even with fast lenses. That would be a major advance in manual focusing technology.


No what I found was that with fast lenses wide open in moderate to low light there was not enough contrast for peaking to work well. No new innovation there.



Oct 24, 2025 at 06:16 AM
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p.56 #3 · Leica M EV1


Unfortunately, after speaking with some Leica people I fear that if the EV-1 performs weakly sales wise that they will see it as a mediocre concept without demand. In fact I think it will more likely be from a mediocre effort and offering on Leica's part.

Was the last true unique Leica innovation that differentiates Leica from the rest of the industry really be the range finder 75 years ago with the first M camera?



Oct 24, 2025 at 06:20 AM
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p.56 #4 · Leica M EV1


It's funny because it really seems like that's exactly what the crowd were asking for - an M with just EVF...😂which is a no thanks for me as I had enough of that back when Sony a9 first launched and I paired it with the voigt 40/1.2.

1bwana1 wrote:
Unfortunately, after speaking with some Leica people I fear that if the EV-1 performs weakly sales wise that they will see it as a mediocre concept without demand. In fact I think it will more likely be from a mediocre effort and offering on Leica's part.




Oct 24, 2025 at 06:31 AM
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p.56 #5 · Leica M EV1


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It is so logical that I predict it will happen ... perhaps in 20 or so years.



Your time line is probably not too far off - Leica R cameras were produced for about 45 years, so the SL line has 35 more years to go before your suggestion comes to fruition.



Oct 24, 2025 at 06:35 AM
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p.56 #6 · Leica M EV1


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I feel pretty much the same way, except this camera is exactly what I expected it to be. I wasn't optimistic that Leica would implement a new MF tool, or that there would be anything special about the EVF but its large size, and it is a large size EVF. That matters to me, and I really don't like the small 2.3M dot 65% mag small EVF in almost all small cameras. For me and my eyes this is the best EVF for a small camera by a pretty big margin.

Yes, Sony has the small A7Cr with essentially the
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One of the best summary statements in this thread after the EV1 was disclosed yesterday. I fully agree. It is pretty much the camera I also suggested years ago as filling the niche between Q- and M-series. One big pro of the EV1 is not often heard which I find important - no adapter is needed to fit M lenses on this camera. I am relieved Leica did not push for the L-mount here. This is not the case with all other mirrorless options including the SL. Yes, a better focusing aid would have been desirable, agreed - but I worked for many years with focus peaking and magnification tools on my A7R with manual lenses which worked just fine. If the sensor would have worked with all my wider rangefinder lenses, I likely would have never switched to digital rangefinder based M cameras. But because I got 100% lens compatibility of my M and LTM lenses on my digital Ms, and working already with film M rangefinder cameras, I realized that rangefinder focusing is faster in specific composing situations. So would I go back where I was already with my A7R about 10 years ago for focusing - yes, to complement my existing M cameras and if the price is right. I knew that the EV1 will be expensive, but that it is so high was also kind of shocking for me. I expected more a price tag between Q series and M11. Nevertheless, I knew I need to be patient and waiting to buy one of these used in a number of years. That's fine with me - until then a couple of quirks like delayed startup time and other things will be corrected with firmware updates, and then when I consider purchasing one, the EV2 or even EV3 might be already on the market.

The camera fits kind of my shooting style when mostly using lenses wider than 35 mm. Especially when using my TTArtisan 11/2.8 M- lens it would be nice to use this lens on the EV1. Also I like the for me more than good enough EVF display and no longer needing an external EVF. I am slowly needing to make more and more use of my glasses - the diopter change tool is nice on the EV1, too. So yes, the camera is okay, not perfect, lacks a few things Leica could have placed, is too expensive, but overall I applaud Leica for making one of these!



Oct 24, 2025 at 06:47 AM
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p.56 #7 · Leica M EV1


1bwana1 wrote:
Unfortunately, after speaking with some Leica people I fear that if the EV-1 performs weakly sales wise that they will see it as a mediocre concept without demand. In fact I think it will more likely be from a mediocre effort and offering on Leica's part.

Was the last true unique Leica innovation that differentiates Leica from the rest of the industry really be the range finder 75 years ago with the first M camera?


Could not agree more!

In fact I was asking myself the very same question: what was the Leica's true innovative product? And the answer must be: the M3, released some 71 years ago. Not much, after that....

And again, to me, as you mention, this MEV1 is a mediocre product coming from a mediocre effort. Just its price is not mediocre. Still wondering if those who asked for this product are/will be happy with it, as it is. Or were they, also, hoping for more?

Maybe, also, part of the dissapointment is the inflated rumours and expectations and speculations that have preceded its release (almost 200 pages on l-camera-forum and also here, on FM).




Oct 24, 2025 at 06:54 AM
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p.56 #8 · Leica M EV1


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In fact I was asking myself the very same question: what was the Leica's true innovative product? And the answer must be: the M3, released some 71 years ago. Not much, after that....


The M3 was truly innovative a long time ago. Considering that Leica underwent periods of economic hardship with the company, successor M models varied in built and design. Other well established M cameras even considered today as great were produced like the M4 and the M6. In digital terms, it was a mixed bag for Leica - also often caused by internal company changes and ownership. One of the most successful models is likely the M10 series.

And again, to me, as you mention, this MEV1 is a mediocre product coming from a mediocre effort. Just its price is not mediocre. Still wondering if those who asked for this product are/will be happy with it, as it is. Or were they, also, hoping for more?

My response to Steve above your comment answers this.

Maybe, also, part of the disappointment is the inflated rumors and expectations and speculations that have preceded its release (almost 200 pages on l-camera-forum and also here, on FM).

Yes, the expectations were raised high above what the reality was.




Oct 24, 2025 at 07:02 AM
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p.56 #9 · Leica M EV1


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Yes, the expectations were raised high above what the reality was.



I don't think expectations were unrealistic or inflated from rumors.

There are some - including me - who were excited by the *concept* of this camera. The expectations merely reflected what this camera *needed* to deliver in terms of manual focus aids to be a) at least on par with what is offered in other cameras, and more importantly b) be a viable alternative to an optical rangefinder by providing the same types of focus information to the user (in focus or not, how far off, back- or front-focused).

It spectacularly fails to achieve either a) or b) and hence the disappointment.

Nothing about this was unrealistic or a technological impossibility, as proven by competitors. It appears that Leica just decided (probably for financial reasons) to change as little as possible about the M11. Just slap on an EVF and that's it. Not changing the sensor to one that has PDAF pixels, not investing R&D into developing a nice focusing aid user interface.

This could just be a parts bin cash grab product (I like Leica as a company, but let's not pretend they're strangers to this tactic..). Or they don't believe in this concept themselves, so just wanted to throw something at the market to silence customers who said they wanted "an M with EVF". Or this is just a bad, maybe rushed, gen-1 product and they'll fix it with gen-2. Or a combination of multiple of those factors..


Btw I'm also a bit shocked that a design-centric company like Leica would release a product with a front plate design like this, which is so clearly and obviously unbalanced.



Oct 24, 2025 at 07:26 AM
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p.56 #10 · Leica M EV1


Have not seen the camera, so just some thoughts from the outside:
Seems the camera is hampered by several factors, all of which lead to a suitable but not overwhelming effort. In one sense, Leica is constrained by the lenses, their deep heritage. Hard to get good EV focusing with manual lenses - both focusing and aperture. So in one sense, the results are predictable.

Does the EV improve speed to focus? If not, then one can understand the cool reception. For this user, the M10 is just fine, able to focus without glasses (!), using f2 or smaller apertures. Lenses are 35mm and 50mm, sometimes the 21mm, nothing longer. For most situations, using a rangefinder patch is just fine, defaulting to live view and focus zoom for more critical, slower moments. There are other cameras for more automated experiences, and it's hard to see how Leica (using the M platform) can equal these.



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p.56 #11 · Leica M EV1


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I don't think expectations were unrealistic or inflated from rumors.

There are some - including me - who were excited by the *concept* of this camera. The expectations merely reflected what this camera *needed* to deliver in terms of manual focus aids to be a) at least on par with what is offered in other cameras, and more importantly b) be a viable alternative to an optical rangefinder by providing the same types of focus information to the user (in focus or not, how far off, back- or front-focused).

It spectacularly fails to achieve either a) or b) and hence the
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I also hoped to some better focus aids since I was pretty sure that the EV1 will be a fully manual focus based camera. I had (too high) hopes they would implement something like a virtual electronic rangefinder focusing tool to overlay to rectangles or something like this. I agree that Leica took the easiest and cheapest way out here. I am okay how the camera looks - this has never been a priority for me since I am in photography to judge by the exterior.



Oct 24, 2025 at 07:46 AM
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p.56 #12 · Leica M EV1


Thanks Steve for your hands on analysis.
Your SL3 comment about using M lenses on it instead of getting the EV1 got me thinking.

M11+Viso2 with grip and M 24/1.4 weighs 1205 grams.
X2Dii with 38V lens (30mm FF equiv) weighs 1265 grams.
SL3 with L-M Adapter and M 24/1.4 lens weighs 1421 grams.
X2Dii with Fotodiox Pro M Adapter and M 24/1.4 lens weighs 1453 grams.

At this point the feature set of the X2Dii with M lenses is my choice even though it weighs 32 grams more than the SL3 approach. Since M lenses vignette on the X2Dii means for me I can compensate for that while composing. Add to that the 100MP sensor and way better IBIS combined with a cyan focus peaking color that gets me a much better hit rate than I have ever had with previous focus peaking colors and usage.



Oct 24, 2025 at 07:54 AM
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p.56 #13 · Leica M EV1


stgrove wrote:
Thanks Steve for your hands on analysis.
Your SL3 comment about using M lenses on it instead of getting the EV1 got me thinking.

M11+Viso2 with grip and M 24/1.4 weighs 1205 grams.
X2Dii with 38V lens (30mm FF equiv) weighs 1265 grams.
SL3 with L-M Adapter and M 24/1.4 lens weighs 1421 grams.
X2Dii with Fotodiox Pro M Adapter and M 24/1.4 lens weighs 1453 grams.

At this point the feature set of the X2Dii with M lenses is my choice even though it weighs 32 grams more than the SL3 approach. Since M lenses vignette on the X2Dii means for me I can
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And EV1 + CV 28 f/1.5 weighs 745 grams. Herein lies the possible advantage of the EV1. It can give you a very fast lens in a very small package with a quite good EVF if that is what you want.



Oct 24, 2025 at 08:30 AM
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p.56 #14 · Leica M EV1


this MEV1 is a mediocre product coming from a mediocre effort. Just its price is not mediocre.

Exactly this. No innovation, no effort, no surprise.

I live in Germany, and I see this sort of rigid, inflexible, stuck mentality everywhere. Only the foreigners here are different - cheerful and friendly - the Germans seem to me to be a massively entitled, miserable lot. They need to wake up, they are no longer leading in anything - old technology, old, ossified mindset. I apologise to those Germans who are exceptions.



Oct 24, 2025 at 08:36 AM
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p.56 #15 · Leica M EV1


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And EV1 + CV 28 f/1.5 weighs 745 grams. Herein lies the possible advantage of the EV1. It can give you a very fast lens in a very small package with a quite good EVF if that is what you want.


Good point. I must add the EV1+24/1.4 lens to give an accurate picture of the many options available with M lenses.



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p.56 #16 · Leica M EV1


wolfloid wrote:
Exactly this. No innovation, no effort, no surprise.

I live in Germany, and I see this sort of rigid, inflexible, stuck mentality everywhere. Only the foreigners here are different - cheerful and friendly - the Germans seem to me to be a massively entitled, miserable lot. They need to wake up, they are no longer leading in anything - old technology, old, ossified mindset. I apologise to those Germans who are exceptions.


It was one reason why I left Germany > 20 years ago. Won't go back there permanently either - especially now after all what is happening there....Germany was a leading EU nation, now it is at the back end of the list. And this won't change soon.



Oct 24, 2025 at 08:55 AM
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p.56 #17 · Leica M EV1


leica was afraid of criticism from the purists so they made it look as conservative and “the same” as possible. all they did was delete the window, which is simply an ugly and lazy design. if the design was more original and new, or at least looked more “rational” and cohesive like the q, it would have looked sexy and desirable, and its shortcomings would be easier to accept.


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p.56 #18 · Leica M EV1


retrofocus wrote:
It was one reason why I left Germany > 20 years ago. Won't go back there permanently either - especially now after all what is happening there....Germany was a leading EU nation, now it is at the back end of the list. And this won't change soon.


I’m wondering who’s leading that list then? I’m Dutch and not exactly impressed with my country either. Then again, I can’t think of any country right now that’s on the right path. Norway?



Oct 24, 2025 at 09:53 AM
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p.56 #19 · Leica M EV1


My X2Dii will fill this niche, but in a bit larger size. For me, the added size is well worth the feature set and the final image quality.

When Leica uses the Maestro 3 in a new offering, that should tell you all that you need to know. If this camera fails in the marketplace, it is on Leica and not those that want a camera that can easily and quickly be manually focused with an EVF. I suspect that there will be a number of these on the used market within the next two years. For me, the VFII works reasonably well for my 21mm Super-Elmar, which is my primary wide lens.



Oct 24, 2025 at 09:55 AM
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p.56 #20 · Leica M EV1


Leica - the brand reknown for some of the best optics in the business - hamstrings you from focusing them

I like the idea of EVF as focus recomposing with the rangefinders has an inherent error, especially with long, fast lenses

The only benefit this has over a modded Sony is the microlensed sensor for wide angle RF lenses



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