If you get the black M11 and something like a 35 Summilux reissued, you get a pocketable full frame with a f1.4 prime. The brass M bodies are too heavy. This combo actually feels smaller than RX1Rii because the lens on the RX was so much bigger. I sometimes walk the dog and just carry the camera in my pajama pocket. Can't say that about any other systems unless you go APSC.
gordec wrote:
If you get the black M11 and something like a 35 Summilux reissued, you get a pocketable full frame with a f1.4 prime. The brass M bodies are too heavy. This combo actually feels smaller than RX1Rii because the lens on the RX was so much bigger. I sometimes walk the dog and just carry the camera in my pajama pocket. Can't say that about any other systems unless you go APSC.
You must have some big pockets. I can’t imagine sticking my M11 with a lux in my pocket. Unless I was still in the 90’s and wore cargo pants around. I’ve never really found that when looking for a new camera, I’ve ever been worried whether it will physically fit in my pocket as it’s either in a bag or around my neck.
1bwana1 wrote:
Agree, I carry my M11 with three M lenses and supporting equipment for cleaning, spare battery, and filter set, in a very small bag designed to hold just a Q3. So nice and portable I carry it almost everywhere I go. Not going to do that with the Hasselblad.
We each have our setup based on our needs and tolerances. I use MindShift Gear PhotoCross 13 Sling. It fits under the seat when flying internationally. It holds X2D/38mm v, M11M and two, or three lenses plus an IPad, portable battery and charging cables. I consider the X2D/38mm to be a compact setup. The problem with the X2D is when you want other focal lengths..things get bulky and heavy fast. Luckily for me, I can travel with only the X2D/38mm and not require other lenses, or cameras.
bwcolor wrote:
We each have our setup based on our needs and tolerances. I use MindShift Gear PhotoCross 13 Sling. It fits under the seat when flying internationally. It holds X2D/38mm v, M11M and two, or three lenses plus an IPad, portable battery and charging cables. I consider the X2D/38mm to be a compact setup. The problem with the X2D is when you want other focal lengths..things get bulky and heavy fast. Luckily for me, I can travel with only the X2D/38mm and not require other lenses, or cameras.
Agree. When i want to travel heavy I take my SL3, mostly an SL3 APO or two, M11, and three lenses. Excellent image quality between 21mm and 130mm. Too heavy in my opinion for walking around. But traveling to areas by air, car, or train it is manageable. Your and my kit both provide for top level image quality.
akerns429 wrote:
You must have some big pockets. I can’t imagine sticking my M11 with a lux in my pocket. Unless I was still in the 90’s and wore cargo pants around. I’ve never really found that when looking for a new camera, I’ve ever been worried whether it will physically fit in my pocket as it’s either in a bag or around my neck.
But to each their own I guess!
Not Lux FLE. I'm talking about the Steel Rim Rissued. It's so small basically you are just carrying the M11 body.
Maybe I was a little too brief in my comment but I know very well what the M mount is and how it differs from the L mount, I have cameras in both mounts and have had so for a long time.
What I meant was that if Leica started to add electronics to the M mount it would become more like the L mount and why would they want to do that, then it would make more sense to produce a smaller variant of the SL cameras in my opinion. But since the M11-V rumours seem real I assume this will not happen and I guess this is a completely different discussion.
1bwana1 wrote:
No, the L mount is auto focus orientated, has a different diameter, distance to the sensor, and is focus by wire. The electronic communication enabled M mount will remain manual focus, have the same diameter, distance to the sensor, and remain driven mechanically for focus. Very different mounts.
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Steve Spencer wrote:
To add to what 1bwana1 wrote there are two mounts for current Leica cameras. Leica M cameras have the Leica M mount which as he described does not have electrical contacts, but does have a reader on some cameras that reads a code of black and white oval on the lens to identify some lenses (these are called 6-bit coded lenses). This mount sits 27.8mm from the sensor or film.
L-mount is a much newer mount and although I am sure the L is meant to be an allusion to Leica it is actually specified by a consortium of camera and lens makers--the L mount alliance, which include Leica, Panasonic, and Sigma most prominently. L mount cameras from all three manufacturers have full electronic contacts and support AF. The L-mount sits 20mm from the sensor. Leica SL cameras all have an L mount (so of course can use L mount lenses), but can also use M mount lenses with an adapter. M mount cameras cannot use L mount lenses.
The rumor is that the new Leica M11V, if that is what it is called, will have an M mount. It would be the first M mount camera with a built-in EVF, although the last three generations of Leica M cameras have had an optional attachable external EVF....Show more →
1bwana1 wrote:
Agree, I carry my M11 with three M lenses and supporting equipment for cleaning, spare battery, and filter set, in a very small bag designed to hold just a Q3. So nice and portable I carry it almost everywhere I go. Not going to do that with the Hasselblad.
I do the same with the Z8 and GFX. The choice of lenses is a bit limited, though. Once you start using a bag, the camera size becomes somewhat irrelevant. If I need more lenses, I take one or two OM1 cameras with several lenses. They fit the same small bag (wotancraft sling pouch).
I pretty much have all that and more with my M lenses mounted on my SL3. It is a brilliant camera for shooting M lenses on. The EVF on the SL3 is simply amazing, so I will be interested to see how good the M11 EVF camera viewfinder is.
Personally, I can't imagine a Leica M11 without the front optical viewfinder. It would feel odd to me. I'm sure Leica knows what they are doing and many people will like it.
Here is a quick sketch showing what a regular M11 might look like without the viewfinder. Leica will execute it much better, but this gives a rough idea.
Fred Miranda wrote:
Personally, I can't imagine a Leica M11 without the front optical viewfinder. It would feel odd to me. I’m sure Leica knows what they are doing and many people will like it.
Here is a quick sketch showing what an M11 might look like without the viewfinder. I'm sure Leica will execute it much better, but this gives a rough idea.
Fred Miranda wrote:
Personally, I can't imagine a Leica M11 without the front optical viewfinder. It would feel odd to me. I'm sure Leica knows what they are doing and many people will like it.
Here is a quick sketch showing what an M11 might look like without the viewfinder. Leica will execute it much better, but this gives a rough idea.
I bet it looks very similar to the Leica D-Lux 8 but larger with an M-mount of course. Note the Diamond pattern leatherette.
Fred Miranda wrote:
Personally, I can't imagine a Leica M11 without the front optical viewfinder. It would feel odd to me. I'm sure Leica knows what they are doing and many people will like it.
Here is a quick sketch showing what an M11 might look like without the viewfinder. Leica will execute it much better, but this gives a rough idea.
It would look balanced without the rangefinder window.
