Juha Kannisto wrote:
Cosina announced their new lenses (under development) that will be shown at CP+ in the Voigtländer Lens list in this Post (under Voigtländer link):
There is one new lens for E-mount in the list, but no further details yet:
PORTRAIT HELIAR 75mm F1.8
Nothing new is listed for Z or RF or X mounts, but according to their updated Zeiss lens list for CP+ they'll have both Otus 50/1.4 and 85/1.4 at CP+ available to be tried at their counter on all 3 mounts E/Z/RF.
Other new lenses are all for VM:
APO-LANTHAR 28mm F2 Aspherical (VM)
NOKTON 35mm F1.2 IV (VM)
NOKTON 40mm F1.2 II (VM)
NOKTON 50mm F1.2 II (VM)
Already officially announced:
COLOR-SKOPAR 35mm F3.5 SV (VM)
COLOR-SKOPAR 35mm F3.5 BK (VM)...Show more →
I'm curious if the new CV 75/1.8 Heliar E-mount will be based on the CV 75/1.8 Heliar M-mount version (which has already been discontinued). It’s my favorite 75mm lens from Cosina. As far as I can tell, it has the same number of elements (6 in 3 groups), same exact angle of view (33.2°) but this new lens has a spherical aberration control ring, just like MS Optics lenses!
APO-LANTHAR 28mm F2 Aspherical (VM)? That's amazing! I’m really curious to see if they’ll manage to keep it as compact as possible. It will obviously be larger than the current CV 28/2 Ultron, but I’m hoping it will be smaller than the CV 35/2 APO-Lanthar.
…Just when I thought I was done and satisfied with the current 28mm lens options…
To answer my own question, here’s a mock-up showing the new Voigtlander 28mm f/2 APO-Lanthar VM alongside the 35mm and 50mm f/2 APO-Lanthar lenses. You'll notice the absence of the chrome ring on the new 28mm. Cosina has managed to achieve what many thought was impossible: a compact 28mm f/2 APO lens. This is something Leica still doesn't offer in their lineup.
The 28mm lens looks even more compact than the Voigtlander 50mm f/2 APO-Lanthar.
PS: My mockup isn’t 100% precise, but it should give a good general comparison.
From LEFT to RIGHT: Voigtlander 28mm f/2 APO-Lanthar, Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar and Voigtlander 50mm f/2 APO-Lanthar
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Fred Miranda wrote:
To answer my own question, here’s a mock-up showing the new Voigtlander 28mm f/2 APO-Lanthar VM alongside the 35mm and 50mm f/2 APO-Lanthar lenses. You'll notice the absence of the chrome ring on the new 28mm. Cosina has managed to achieve what many thought was impossible: a compact 28mm f/2 APO lens. This is something Leica still doesn't offer in their lineup.
The 28mm lens looks even more compact than the Voigtlander 50mm f/2 APO-Lanthar.
PS: My mockup isn’t 100% precise, but it should give a good general comparison.
Yes, now that the specs are published all three lenses have the same diameter (55.6mm) and the new 28mm is the shortest (50mm long vs. 58.1mm for the 35mm and 53mm for the 50) and the lightest (265g, vs. 304g for the 35mm and 288g for 50mm). Your mock up looks pretty accurate and fairly precise to me.
Despite being the smallest, the new 28mm will still probably block the viewfinder quite a bit it more than the others given that the 28mm frame lines pretty much take up the whole frame. I found that even the 50mm APO-Lanthar blocked the frame a bit more than I found ideal.
Steve Spencer wrote:
Yes, now that the specs are published all three lenses have the same diameter (55.6mm) and the new 28mm is the shortest (50mm long vs. 58.1mm for the 35mm and 53mm for the 50) and the lightest (265g, vs. 304g for the 35mm and 288g for 50mm). Your mock up looks pretty accurate and fairly precise to me.
Despite being the smallest, the new 28mm will still probably block the viewfinder quite a bit it more than the others given that the 28mm frame lines pretty much take up the whole frame. I found that even the 50mm APO-Lanthar blocked the frame a bit more than I found ideal....Show more →
Indeed. It will be the shortest of the f/2 APO-Lanthar lenses, but still longer than the Voigtlander 28mm f/1.5 Nokton (φ54.0×45.5mm), though not by much. As you mentioned, the blockage of the framelines is inevitable. The only lenses I've used where this isn’t an issue are the Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 and the MS Optics 28mm f/2 APOQUALIA.
Juha Kannisto wrote: Yes, some kind of SA ring like several MS-Optics lenses have. It looks like it will produce some quite strong aberration effects I'll certainly buy that one as it's in E-mount. Looking forward to trying it at CP+
Hey Juha,
If you have a chance to take some images with the 75/1.8... can you try to get something distant with the SA-ring at neutral and check if the lens can be used as a "normal" 75mm short tele? I hope the lens will be very versatile!
I understand getting something distant may be hard and it is probably depending on where the Cosina booth is placed. So, a big if, I presume. But if?!
The SA ring is an exciting addition, and it makes sense for Cosina to include it for use with Live View (EVF or LCD) since it wouldn’t be compatible with a rangefinder. The 75/1.8 Heliar Classic VM already delivers a painterly rendering at its default and only SA setting, so it would be fascinating to experiment with this new feature.
I just took this picture today to show the characterful rendering of the 75/1.8 Heliar. It’s not overly busy but has a unique look to my eyes.
ILCE-7CRVoigtlander 75mm f/1.8 Heliar lens75mm1/2000s100 ISO0.0 EV
Fred Miranda wrote:
I'm curious if the new CV 75/1.8 Heliar E-mount will be based on the CV 75/1.8 Heliar M-mount version (which has already been discontinued). It’s my favorite 75mm lens from Cosina. As far as I can tell, it has the same number of elements (6 in 3 groups), same exact angle of view (33.2°) but this new lens has a spherical aberration control ring, just like MS Optics lenses!
APO-LANTHAR 28mm F2 Aspherical (VM)? That's amazing! I’m really curious to see if they’ll manage to keep it as compact as possible. It will obviously be larger than the current CV 28/2 Ultron, but I’m hoping it will be smaller than the CV 35/2 APO-Lanthar.
…Just when I thought I was done and satisfied with the current 28mm lens options…...Show more →
I'm really happy that they made such an experimental new lens for E-mount. I've enjoyed experimenting with the SA ring on my 57/2 Vario Petz and I hope this new 75/1.8 can reach infinity with any of the settings unlike the Vario Petz. Will surely be buying the 75/1.8. I'll ask Cosina staff at CP+ if it's optically based on the Heliar classic 75/1.8, hopefully they can say someting about that. I never owned the original Heliar classic 75mm personally.
I'd buy the 28/2 APO-Lanthar too if they'd release it in E-mount, although I generally prefer Noktons to APO-Lanthars, but there aren't too many options natively in E-mount yet overall and more variety would be welcome. I suspect they might release the 28/2 APO in E-mount and Z-mount about 1 year later, but there is always some risk of conflict if there are also plans for an APO ML Otus at 28mm around that time. I'd prefer a smaller and less expensive 28/2 personally.
Ripolini wrote:
Will we ever see E- and Z-mount versions ??
My quess is that there would be E and Z mount versions of 28/2 APO-Lanthar about one year from now, following the pattern of 28/1.5 releases in VM and then in E/Z. But one risk might be if there is an Otus APO ML 28/1.4 in the plans that could be clashing with plans to release Cosina's own version around the same time...
Jonas B wrote: rscheffler wrote: Juha Kannisto wrote:
Hey Juha,
If you have a chance to take some images with the 75/1.8... can you try to get something distant with the SA-ring at neutral and check if the lens can be used as a "normal" 75mm short tele? I hope the lens will be very versatile!
I understand getting something distant may be hard and it is probably depending on where the Cosina booth is placed. So, a big if, I presume. But if?!
I will surely try to have hands on with it at Cosina's counter. This is the one lens from the newly announced Cosina and Zeiss lenses that I'm most interested in trying out.
Last year they had restricted the trials with the new VM lenses (50/2.2, 50/3.5) to their counter only, whereas the new 75/1.5 E/Z/RF could be borrowed from there and used more freely around their area. It seems like they might be restricting all the new ones to the counter only this time but will have to see about that. I think there might be long queues to the counter this time since the new Otus are also available to try there, and if the counter is small like last year (max 2 visitors fit at the counter area at a time), it might get quite congested. I might try to visit CP+ multiple times this year on separate days to have enough time for everything.
I think it should be possible to take some shots even from the counter to the back areas of the exhibition hall but they might not be very good for judging IQ. Anyway, I'll see what I can do.
"We created the Zeiss Otus ML lenses for photographers who want to tell a story. We have completed our preparations for providing, for mirrorless cameras, traditional Zeiss quality that aims at responding to the desires of contemporary photographers."
(The Japanese is somewhat nicer than the above translation, e.g. the "completed our preparations" bit in Japanese is more natural than that.)
Whatever. The price, size, and weight of these lenses put them out of consideration here, but I notice that the 50/1.4 has a floating element structure (thank you, Cosina). Still, it's weird that the 50/1.4 is a "Distagon" design whose front element is a negative (double concave surfaces) element (tossing such an element in front of an otherwise normal-ish stack of elements makes it a wider-angle lens). Maybe it's a monster typo, i.e. they pasted the wrong lens cross section and description (the ones for a wider lens) onto the page for the 50/1.4
davidjl wrote:
I love the text on the Zeiss Otus ML page:
"We created the Zeiss Otus ML lenses for photographers who want to tell a story. We have completed our preparations for providing, for mirrorless cameras, traditional Zeiss quality that aims at responding to the desires of contemporary photographers."
(The Japanese is somewhat nicer than the above translation, e.g. the "completed our preparations" bit in Japanese is more natural than that.)
Whatever. The price, size, and weight of these lenses put them out of consideration here, but I notice that the 50/1.4 has a floating element structure (thank you, Cosina). Still, it's weird that the 50/1.4 is a "Distagon" design whose front element is a negative (double concave surfaces) element (tossing such an element in front of an otherwise normal-ish stack of elements makes it a wider-angle lens). Maybe it's a monster typo, i.e. they pasted the wrong lens cross section and description (the ones for a wider lens) onto the page for the 50/1.4 ...Show more →
The 50/1.2 GM has a similar front element, as does the 55/1.8 ZA.
I hope Cosina managed to reduce the 'onion' pattern in the bokeh of the CV 40mm f/1.2 Nokton VM. It’s the only lens in the f/1.2 series that shows a more noticeable pattern in the inner part of the bokeh, possibly because it was the first one released. Fingers crossed that this version 2 addresses that issue.
Juha Kannisto wrote:
Yes, some kind of SA ring like several MS-Optics lenses have. It looks like it will produce some quite strong aberration effects I'll certainly buy that one as it's in E-mount. Looking forward to trying it at CP+
Very exciting news. Looks like I might be replacing my adapted VM Ultron 75/1.9 sooner than I thought, unless the new 75 is considerably heavier.
Just returned from a Spain trip with the Ultron 75 as my longest option, and I find the FOV perfect for that in an urban setting.
twelveish wrote:
Very exciting news. Looks like I might be replacing my adapted VM Ultron 75/1.9 sooner than I thought, unless the new 75 is considerably heavier.
Just returned from a Spain trip with the Ultron 75 as my longest option, and I find the FOV perfect for that in an urban setting.
It won't be an ideal general walkaround lens due to weight but I think I can still enjoy shooting with it as I've gotten along with my 50/1 and 75/1.5 E-mount versions that are in similar weight class. Also, the new 75/1.8 doesn't come with a hood (it seems it doesn't need one the way it's designed) so there's no additional hood-weight to be added.
They posted various informations gradually yestereday evening so I didn't capture everything in my initial posts about this topic and then I got busy commuting back home etc.
I'm getting the new 75/1.8 but will also be keeping my 75/1.5 in E-mount and 75/1.9 VM.
Juha Kannisto wrote:
I will surely try to have hands on with it at Cosina's counter. This is the one lens from the newly announced Cosina and Zeiss lenses that I'm most interested in trying out.
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I think it should be possible to take some shots even from the counter to the back areas of the exhibition hall but they might not be very good for judging IQ. Anyway, I'll see what I can do.
Hi Juha,
Do what you can it and it will be much appreciated. I know fairs and exhibitions... they are never ideal for anything. I'm very curious about the new 75mm! I usually want my stuff to be versatile so i hope the lens is good to use as a genera short tele and not only for portraits and different grades and types of SA.
We'll see if you get a chance. Hopefully there is at least some part of the roof construction somewhere further away worthy of a try.
I hope you'll get a great time at the CP+ !
These are all exciting releases by Voigtlander.
The /1.2 line is back (after discontinuation last summer), with lower weight and a black front ring.
Does it mean it is just the same (very highly regarded) optics, with a lighter (aluminium ?) body ?
I'll certainly buy that one as it's in E-mount. Looking forward to trying it at CP+ 
