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I bought one, why not, looks fun. Already have my adapter for my Helios.


Sep 27, 2024 at 11:05 AM
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cbass wrote:
My opinion is if you are excited about the optics or not depends on if you like the defects of the Biotar. I am in the love camp here, but I know many others that consider it a crappy performer. I and excited about the entire release because although I love the Biotar I only see it as a people lens today with a unique rendering style and not a general use lens and there is only so much, I am willing to pay for that. This one is the right price.



Agreed. If I were desperate to use a lens of the type on the F100, there's always the ridiculously expensive MOG. Price is key, and sub-$300 is a nice sweet spot.



Sep 27, 2024 at 11:38 AM
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p.2 #3 · TTartisan 75mm 1.5 Biotar copy


I believe they are planning an M-mount version since it’s listed on their site:







Sep 27, 2024 at 11:55 AM
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p.2 #4 · TTartisan 75mm 1.5 Biotar copy


It's basically priced like a Leica hood, so I ordered one. (Have also got an early 1st version wartime original, so am looking to do a comparison just for fun.)


Sep 27, 2024 at 12:42 PM
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Edward Teller wrote:
It's basically priced like a Leica hood, so I ordered one. (Have also got an early 1st version wartime original, so am looking to do a comparison just for fun.)


Please post the results. Simon's Utak on youtube compared it to his Helios-40 and it renders like a Biotar. However, the Helios is 85mm and this is more in line with the original 75mm.



Sep 27, 2024 at 03:06 PM
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p.2 #6 · TTartisan 75mm 1.5 Biotar copy


I'm waiting for the M-mount version and will definitely grab one.


Sep 27, 2024 at 07:34 PM
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p.2 #7 · TTartisan 75mm 1.5 Biotar copy


Not me browsing the auction site for the cheapest medium format digital just to put this lens on it.


Sep 27, 2024 at 07:48 PM
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raizans wrote:
Not me browsing the auction site for the cheapest medium format digital just to put this lens on it.


Fuji GFX 50R with hand grip.

I will wait to see if an M mount is a reality.



Sep 28, 2024 at 04:21 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
I bought one, why not, looks fun. Already have my adapter for my Helios.


Exactly my logic too. Mine left HK today for shipment here.



Sep 29, 2024 at 07:53 AM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
I believe they are planning an M-mount version since it’s listed on their site:


The bottom half of that is disheartening.



Sep 29, 2024 at 06:04 PM
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p.2 #11 · TTartisan 75mm 1.5 Biotar copy


I should have my copy on Friday.


Sep 30, 2024 at 06:33 AM
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p.2 #12 · TTartisan 75mm 1.5 Biotar copy


Received my copy yesterday, and did a few late afternoon comparison shots with it and my pre-war/wartime original German 18 blade design. As a side note, before I get into this, it is worth remembering that the 1939-1945 version 1 which I will be using for comparison was a German lens, made in Germany, by Zeiss, and the Number 2 (1946-1952) and number 3 (1952-1968) versions of the lens were, respectively, sort of, and then definitely, Soviet lenses due to the fact of the factory being handed over to the Russians as war reparations, version 2 being thought by some to be the best version due to later manufacturing already on the German drawing board and Russians utilizing existing German Zeiss Lanthanum glass, and materials, in addition to “retained” German Zeiss workers, and the 3rd version being a hearty Soviet replica of the original German Zeiss optical design, using who knows what glass, in a completely different housing.

It gets a bit complicated, but the 75/1.5 Biotar that TT Artisan is making a copy of, is itself a copy. I don’t have one of those, so whatever comparisons I do will be for entertainment value only as it won’t be a direct comparison for anyone who has the V3 CZJ version, which seems much more common than the older version I own. And I am definitely not knocking Soviet CZJ lenses as I have several, and the clean 1951 58/2 Biotar sample I own is exquisite for my needs which might not be your needs.

Having said all that, and because it will take me some time to get this exercise done and post some sample comparisons, because I have other things to do, I should at least jump to the conclusion and say that the TT Artisan is “significantly” better than the old copy of the earlier design that I have if we are looking at the qualities most people look at today, of sharpness, contrast, saturation, and resolution. And, “significantly “ is putting it mildly, though the older version does have more than a little charm if one is predisposed to be charmed by it, in some situations.

I will be doing shots at f/1.5 and f/8 and did not do any at f/8 yet, as it got dark. The other difficulty is that these lenses, new and old, were not really general purpose lenses to begin with, so finding multiple opportunities of the limited situations which they would be used for in real life and getting results that demonstrate character on the one hand vs. contrast and sharpness on the other might take a while. But, I’ve already given a history lesson, plus the conclusions, and lowered expectations so that’s probably enough for now.

Lens is very well and precisely put together, worthy of an unboxing video for those who believe in that, is a decided lump, which reviews have already noted, and will be front heavy on an M, unless you own one of the Leica Limited Edition Tungsten bodies, and an amazing deal for $269 in today’s world provided someone wants what it does, and perhaps more usable in more situations than the 100mm Trioplan IMO, FWIW.

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Oct 02, 2024 at 09:06 AM
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Alan Parker wrote:
I should have my copy on Friday.


I should have ordered directly then! Still waiting for my amazon order to even ship.



Oct 02, 2024 at 09:19 AM
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Edward Teller wrote:
Received my copy yesterday, and did a few late afternoon comparison shots with it and my pre-war/wartime original German 18 blade design. As a side note, before I get into this, it is worth remembering that the 1939-1945 version 1 which I will be using for comparison was a German lens, made in Germany, by Zeiss, and the Number 2 (1946-1952) and number 3 (1952-1968) versions of the lens were, respectively, sort of, and then definitely, Soviet lenses due to the fact of the factory being handed over to the Russians as war reparations, version 2 being thought by
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Thank you so much for your write-up and history lesson of the original lens. I am also interested in this lens for its historic origin as well as the optical characters. Look forward to seeing you images.



Oct 02, 2024 at 09:26 AM
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p.2 #15 · TTartisan 75mm 1.5 Biotar copy


FedEx updated and I'll be getting my lens today; hopefully before I have to go out for a work appointment.


Oct 03, 2024 at 03:50 AM
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p.2 #16 · TTartisan 75mm 1.5 Biotar copy


It just got here. It's a really impressive piece of kit!

The construction is super solid and the glass seems top notch. I'll go and grab my adapter and test it out. So far the general reaction is very positive. The screw-on lens cap is a bit unusual but I'll take that.

I don't have a T5 torx screwdriver to fix the alignment. Currently the lens is 180 degrees from what it's supposed to be



Oct 03, 2024 at 06:06 AM
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p.2 #17 · TTartisan 75mm 1.5 Biotar copy


Some samples of the very impressionistic rendering.


TTArtisan 75mm F1.5 Swirly Bokeh by Alan Parker, on Flickr


TTArtisan 75mm F1.5 Swirly Bokeh by Alan Parker, on Flickr


TTArtisan 75mm F1.5 Swirly Bokeh by Alan Parker, on Flickr



Oct 03, 2024 at 06:39 AM
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Got a Torx 5 screwdriver and fixed the alignment. Much better and easier to use this way.
So a bit of a word of warning here I guess. When I bought the lens I assumed that the aligning was an optional optimization but that's really not the case. It's a requirement.



Oct 03, 2024 at 11:16 AM
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I’m a bit curious about this. My Helios doesn’t really lineup accurately with my Z cameras, but I assume that doesn’t really impact the image circle. A circle is a circle, right?

Alan Parker wrote:
Got a Torx 5 screwdriver and fixed the alignment. Much better and easier to use this way.
So a bit of a word of warning here I guess. When I bought the lens I assumed that the aligning was an optional optimization but that's really not the case. It's a requirement.




Oct 03, 2024 at 11:18 AM
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p.2 #20 · TTartisan 75mm 1.5 Biotar copy


RoamingScott wrote:
I’m a bit curious about this. My Helios doesn’t really lineup accurately with my Z cameras, but I assume that doesn’t really impact the image circle. A circle is a circle, right?



Sure, but, if you have the option to put the distance scale in the right place, wouldn't you take it?



Oct 03, 2024 at 11:23 AM
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