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Voigtlander 50mm f/3.5 APO-Lanthar Review

  
 
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p.11 #1 · p.11 #1 · Voigtlander 50mm f/3.5 APO-Lanthar Review


Desmolicious wrote:
Which means next week!


I'm still uncertain about the release date, and the US pricing hasn't been confirmed yet.



Aug 26, 2024 at 08:43 PM
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p.11 #2 · p.11 #2 · Voigtlander 50mm f/3.5 APO-Lanthar Review


saxguy wrote:
The CV 50/3.5 APO is intriguing to me. I do a lot of on location shooting at restaurants and other culinary events. Most of my close up work is between f/4 and f/6.3. I usually take my 50mm APO Summicron-SL, but this would make for a much lighter and smaller setup.


If you don't require autofocus, the 50mm f/3.5 APO is an excellent smaller and lighter alternative to the SL 50mm f/2 APO, which remains one of my favorite lenses.



Aug 27, 2024 at 11:51 PM
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p.11 #3 · p.11 #3 · Voigtlander 50mm f/3.5 APO-Lanthar Review


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If you don't require autofocus, the 50mm f/3.5 APO is an excellent smaller and lighter alternative to the SL 50mm f/2 APO, which remains one of my favorite lenses.


It's one of mine, too. But if this new Q 43 is released I won't need the CV for my SL3



Aug 28, 2024 at 06:58 AM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
If you don't require autofocus, the 50mm f/3.5 APO is an excellent smaller and lighter alternative to the SL 50mm f/2 APO, which remains one of my favorite lenses.


What about the thicker sensor stack of the SL?



Aug 28, 2024 at 04:48 PM
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p.11 #5 · p.11 #5 · Voigtlander 50mm f/3.5 APO-Lanthar Review


We talk a lot about apertures. Debates rage as to whether one needs an f1.2 or if a mere f1.4 will do. The 50/3.5 faces a herculean task to even be noticed when it emerges onto the market, for who knows how long a production run.

The very early 50/3.5 Elmar (1925-1961) may have set the scene for what awaits:

'Yes, I'd prefer something with a larger max aperture. But it looks like they're mimicking the 50/3.5 Elmar lenses'

'But being more than a stop slower than any 50mm I’ve ever used before, the question of if I could somehow embrace it’s ridiculously slow maximum aperture and find my perfect daily driver, became unshakable.'

'..the Elmar would definitely not be my first choice for a day to day lens. It’s too slow for that – both in terms of ergonomics and light gathering.'



Aug 28, 2024 at 05:24 PM
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p.11 #6 · p.11 #6 · Voigtlander 50mm f/3.5 APO-Lanthar Review


These 'ridiculously slow' 50mm lenses tend to do very well, not just on SL bodies, but (the horror) on Sony bodies as well. That is the considered opinion of some of us. So I'd be quietly confident the APO-Lanthar will follow suit in this respect. We all have different standards, yours may be more stringent so no promises can be made.

'So after using it on the A9 with great results, I plopped it on the SL and away I went. Below is a video of the images on the Sony a9 and SL, all in one place and with my narrative thoughts, but after the video, below, you can see the images here in a larger size.'

https://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2017/08/28/the-voigtlander-50-f3-5-heliar-v-4-on-the-leica-sl-f3-5-is-the-new-f1-4/



Aug 28, 2024 at 05:53 PM
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p.11 #7 · p.11 #7 · Voigtlander 50mm f/3.5 APO-Lanthar Review


philip_pj wrote:
These 'ridiculously slow' 50mm lenses tend to do very well, not just on SL bodies, but (the horror) on Sony bodies as well.


I look forward to seeing the what this little powerhouse can do with a stock Sony sensor.




Aug 28, 2024 at 06:28 PM
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p.11 #8 · p.11 #8 · Voigtlander 50mm f/3.5 APO-Lanthar Review


All 4 versions of this APO-Lanthar 50/3.5 are now in stock and available in shops in Japan as today is the official release day here.

I'm not going to buy one at the moment though since I'm again out of budget for lenses for a while (I just bought the 50/2.2 last weekend and would need to trade in something if I was to get 50/3.5 right away). I've been most interested in Type I two-tone version from the look and feel perspective but not entirely sold on it yet and would also be interested in seeing how well these work on stock Sony sensors before any purchase decisions.

I'm also waiting to see what Cosina will release next. They didn't announce anything for September so next chance for something new is probably going to be October (with a possible announcement around 9/13). I'm guessing they might release something new for Fuji X or another common new lens for 3 mirrorless systems next (one by one).



Aug 28, 2024 at 11:42 PM
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p.11 #9 · p.11 #9 · Voigtlander 50mm f/3.5 APO-Lanthar Review


I am receiving the Voigtlander 50mm f/3.5 Type I Two-Tone and Type II Black Paint today to confirm their performances with the sample prototype and to post some images showing how these models look on my Leica M bodies. I wanted to do this before wrapping up the review.


Aug 29, 2024 at 10:15 AM
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p.11 #10 · p.11 #10 · Voigtlander 50mm f/3.5 APO-Lanthar Review


Fred Miranda wrote:
I am receiving the Voigtlander 50mm f/3.5 Type I Two-Tone and Type II Black Paint today to confirm their performances with the sample prototype and to post some images showing how these models look on my Leica M bodies. I wanted to do this before wrapping up the review.


The arrival of the new lenses has been delayed, so they will only be available next week.



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p.11 #11 · p.11 #11 · Voigtlander 50mm f/3.5 APO-Lanthar Review


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Diffraction starts as soon as you stop down from a lens's widest aperture, but it’s usually not noticeable at wider apertures like f/2.8 or f/4 with current sensors, even those with 60MP. At pixel level, it becomes visible only at smaller apertures like f/8 and beyond.

To achieve the best optical performance, stopping the aperture down about 2 stops from wide open to reduce most aberrations, but with high-performance lenses like Cosina's APO-Lanthar or Leica SL APO, only one stop down might be sufficient due to their apochromatic design..

While I think it's wise to avoid apertures smaller than f/8 in
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Great explanation, thanks very much!



Aug 30, 2024 at 06:17 AM
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p.11 #12 · p.11 #12 · Voigtlander 50mm f/3.5 APO-Lanthar Review


Who is planning to get this lens? If so, which finish did you choose and why?


Aug 31, 2024 at 09:14 PM
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Who is planning to get this lens? If so, which finish did you choose and why?


Type II black paint – Even when using this on the SL3 with a macro adapter, I still want the shorter native MFD because it's faster to not have to stop and unlock the macro function and then focus with the adapter's helicoid.

I want both of the Type I, the matte black one and the panda one. Not sure which I'll go with.

Only one I'm not interested in is the Type II silver.



Aug 31, 2024 at 09:24 PM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
Who is planning to get this lens? If so, which finish did you choose and why?


Not sure if I'll get it yet but I would get the Type I two-tone and use it with a helicoid adapter to get closer focus than 0.45 when desired. I just liked the look and feel of that version the best and wasn't that keen on handling of Type II. I'm planning not to buy any new lenses in September so this could be an October purchase if I decide to get one.



Aug 31, 2024 at 11:03 PM
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p.11 #15 · p.11 #15 · Voigtlander 50mm f/3.5 APO-Lanthar Review


I feel the shorter MFD of the T2 will suit the Sony cameras, after seeing the dramatic difference in the magnification in the sunflower image a few pages back.

It brings the 50/3.5 APO to the same magnification level as the best Leica and Zeiss 50mm primes: Milvus 50/1.4 (0.34m); Otus 55/1.4 (0.33m); Leica SL 50/2 (0.35m). It opens up easily overlooked creative opportunities not many 50s have, and f3.5 is not a disadvantage. It's half the MFD of the M-Summicrons and the little Heliar 50/3.5, and closer than many other 50mm M lenses.

I prefer the 39mm filters common to other lenses, and the broader focus ring for the thin gloves I wear. I'm used to moving fingers from aperture ring back to the focus ring at similar diameters. I've never owned a non-black lens and I like contrast for reading index markings in strong light. And light weight is an ever-present issue. So T2 black it is for me. We expect them here this coming week, last I heard.



Aug 31, 2024 at 11:32 PM
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p.11 #16 · p.11 #16 · Voigtlander 50mm f/3.5 APO-Lanthar Review


philip_pj wrote:
I feel the shorter MFD of the T2 will suit the Sony cameras, after seeing the dramatic difference in the magnification in the sunflower image a few pages back.

It brings the 50/3.5 APO to the same magnification level as the best Leica and Zeiss 50mm primes: Milvus 50/1.4 (0.34m); Otus 55/1.4 (0.33m); Leica SL 50/2 (0.35m). It opens up easily overlooked creative opportunities not many 50s have, and f3.5 is not a disadvantage. It's half the MFD of the M-Summicrons and the little Heliar 50/3.5, and closer than many other 50mm M lenses.

I prefer the 39mm filters common to
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I second that emotion, as an old song goes. Max MFD in the lightest configuration in what appears to be a
mini- 50mm f/2 APO a bit slower but more convenient - read useful - to use. Don't like the aperture and focus turning together, but been there, done that and I can deal. I generally set aperture first anyway, then focus. By the way, I love the bigger and faster sibling - especially beautiful color and clarity, crisp and clean - but don't use it as much as I will use this beauty.
Joe D



Sep 01, 2024 at 01:51 AM
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p.11 #17 · p.11 #17 · Voigtlander 50mm f/3.5 APO-Lanthar Review


Now in stock in Australia. So soon to be everywhere, I imagine.


Sep 02, 2024 at 04:54 AM
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p.11 #18 · p.11 #18 · Voigtlander 50mm f/3.5 APO-Lanthar Review


philip_pj wrote:
I feel the shorter MFD of the T2 will suit the Sony cameras, after seeing the dramatic difference in the magnification in the sunflower image a few pages back.

It brings the 50/3.5 APO to the same magnification level as the best Leica and Zeiss 50mm primes: Milvus 50/1.4 (0.34m); Otus 55/1.4 (0.33m); Leica SL 50/2 (0.35m). It opens up easily overlooked creative opportunities not many 50s have, and f3.5 is not a disadvantage. It's half the MFD of the M-Summicrons and the little Heliar 50/3.5, and closer than many other 50mm M lenses.

I prefer the 39mm filters common to
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Now we need a version 2 of the 50 f/2 APO that also close focuses and drops the chrome ring.



Sep 02, 2024 at 10:26 AM
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p.11 #19 · p.11 #19 · Voigtlander 50mm f/3.5 APO-Lanthar Review


I should be receiving a Sony A7CR tomorrow. I’ll test the Voigtlander 50mm f/3.5 APO-Lanthar on its stock Sony sensor.


Sep 02, 2024 at 01:39 PM
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p.11 #20 · p.11 #20 · Voigtlander 50mm f/3.5 APO-Lanthar Review


I'd like to see their sales figures with fields for: market region, lens and year. Would that tell a story! It would reveal how closely correlated their strategy is to what is happening on the ground, and as time goes by.

Questions that it would answer: was the discontinuation of the Z mount 35/50 f2 APOs justified? What are the sales data for each of the new issues for RF/Z/E mounts? - they all got the luxury new age fast lenses in larger heavier lens bodies with custom styling (Nikon got a few more 'favourites').

What are their solid regular sellers, which ones are kept because the company values their availability? Which market regions value high end MF lenses as a percentage of all sales (I think they all have a solid idea who sells what and how many, feedback from big retailers).

Which lenses sell well on release then fall away? For same design lenses, what are the sales data for Leica M and E-mount variants (15/4.5; 21/3.5; 21/1.4; 35/2 APO; 40/1.2; 50/1; 50/1.2; 50/2 APO; 75/1.5)?



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