p.3 #1 · Official Canon EOS R1 Images and Specifications
CelesteForza wrote:
According to multiple reviewers, the R1 has the best AF in the industry. Fingers crossed that Canon would release an S version of this camera with the R5 II sensor.
p.3 #3 · Official Canon EOS R1 Images and Specifications
mb126 wrote:
Releasing a 24mp camera in 2024 is... a choice. Yeah, yeah, yeah I know 1-series is aimed at photojournalists, etc. I was a photojournalist. There's also a lot of people that work in multiple different areas of photography, and more than 24mp would make this a much better "do everything" camera.
I guess on the plus side, this might help take down used prices for R3s.
The r5m2 will drive down the r3 used prices. Same bursts, same card slots, similar read out speeds, more MP. There is no defending 24mp as a "flagship". You're not supposed to make compromises as a flagship, it is to push boundaries. The R3 (blatantly r1 rebrand) was marketed by canon as the sports/photojournalist blah blah, so what is this R1 with the same "target audience". I read the same defense of small files, quickly sending it over for sports/photojournalist. If MP count doesn't matter, speed to delivery is what is most important then we can afford scarifies on dynamic range. In that case why not go with a A9iii with a 120fps burst that costs less than a R1. Canon is just behind with the sensor tech yet still decides to charge more and do cripple hammer things like mixed card slots on the R5m2, worse rear screen on the R1 than the R3 had. I wish they would just buy sony sensors at this point and focus on the rest which they do better than everyone else (ergos, menus, lenses, etc)
The flagship helps bring new users in or attracts interest to those looking to start with a brand. These 2 release do neither given what is already out there. For existing folks already invested into RF, the r5m2 looks good but still a bit too pricey.
p.3 #4 · Official Canon EOS R1 Images and Specifications
netexpress wrote:
You read my mind!
Hahaha, but that's what the R1 was supposed to be. Everyone's been waiting years for the R1 flagship and they just released the R3mkII. If Canon had a real flagship with resolution I think they would have released it today to avoid more disappointment and outflow of customers.
p.3 #7 · Official Canon EOS R1 Images and Specifications
The R1 is an interesting beast. I think for what Canon was aiming to do, it's a phenomenal camera...amazing AF, fast, ruggedly built, incredible EVF...all of those things are wonderful, and it certainly has a market for serious pro sports and action photography.
However, I think that Canon has missed the boat with regards to what a flagship camera should be in 2024. In 2012, when the 1DX unified the 1D and 1Ds series to create the 'unified flagship' with both high resolution and high speed, the 'high resolution' bodies of the day were all around 24MP or so. Since then, we've seen Sony and Nikon both release flagship bodies that are centered around the new higher resolution standard of ~45-50 megapixels, while Canon is still releasing this (admittedly fantastic) lower megapixel sports camera under the flagship name.
This really should have been an R3 II. I just don't think Canon has the capability of making a stacked sensor at 45MP that has the readout to compete with Nikon and Sony at the moment, as evidenced by the R5 II's decent, but certainly not exceptional 1/160s readout. I just think they didn't want to wait on the R1 name any more, so they made an R3 II and called it the 1, just like I think the original R3 was supposed to be the R1, but Sony's A1 blindsided them.
p.3 #8 · Official Canon EOS R1 Images and Specifications
arbitrage wrote:
Someone mentioned it up thread from the Chris/Jordan Petapixel as 1/300 which is the fastest out there. Z9 1/270
No, at 24MP, the fastest out there is the A9 III at 1/80,000s (well, infinite since it's global).
The fact that the Z8 and Z9 can do 1/270s at 45MP, while the more expensive R1 just barely eclipses it at 1/300s, but only at 24MP, shows that Canon's stacked sensor designs are behind the competition. The Z9 is pulling 87% more data in a time frame just 11% slower.
p.3 #9 · Official Canon EOS R1 Images and Specifications
Tony5787 wrote:
The problem isn’t that the R1 isn’t aimed at bird/wildlife, I’ve been using an R3 almost solely for the past two years for that specific purpose because the overall shooting experience was better than that of the R5. The issue is that the R1 doesn’t offer a significant difference over the R3 so it feels like a huge missed opportunity. I’d love to have seen an insanely fast body like the a9 III in Canon’s lineup because the speed of something like that really opens up new possibilities. A 10fps increase and better AF (compared to an already phenomenal AF system) just doesn’t.
I’m sorry, but I’m pretty sure Canon wants you to look at their R5 series. Personally, I think it’s excellent for wildlife, but then I’m a guy who switched from the R5 to Olympus for wildlife…
p.3 #11 · Official Canon EOS R1 Images and Specifications
whumber wrote:
Have we seen any measurements of the R1 readout speed yet? Closest I've seen is the flash sync speed which is 2x as fast as the Z8.
Readout speed is 1/300s. However, regarding flash sync:
From Canon's official technical specs, the R1 can flash sync at 1/320s, but that's with electronic first curtain shutter (so it uses the mechanical shutter for the second curtain). Z8 is 1/200s, so it's not twice as fast. Also, the R1 does 1/200s in full mechanical. The official technical specifications don't list a sync speed in electronic shutter mode, and in fact have a listing that says that flash is not available in electronic shutter mode. (Nor can it be used for HDR, multiple exposure, multi shot noise reduction, AEB, HDR PQ, or anti-flicker shooting (say what?).
p.3 #12 · Official Canon EOS R1 Images and Specifications
Jman13 wrote:
From Canon's official technical specs, the R1 can flash sync at 1/320s, but that's with electronic first curtain shutter (so it uses the mechanical shutter for the second curtain). Z8 is 1/200s, so it's not twice as fast. Also, the R1 does 1/200s in full mechanical. The official technical specifications don't list a sync speed in electronic shutter mode, and in fact have a listing that says that flash is not available in electronic shutter mode. (Nor can it be used for HDR, multiple exposure, multi shot noise reduction, AEB, HDR PQ, or anti-flicker shooting (say what?).
Could you link to where you see that? The only official value I've seen is here
Greater usability with Speedlites: The EOS R1’s faster sensor readout speed enables flash photography support even during continuous shooting in the electronic shutter mode. The flash sync speed is the EOS R series’ highest at 1/400 sec, allowing more flexibility to use a wide aperture or freeze action without resorting to high-speed sync.
EDIT: The Canon Europe spec sheet also lists the sync speed at 1/320s for EFCS and 1/400s for electronic shutter for full frame shots.
p.3 #14 · Official Canon EOS R1 Images and Specifications
Ok, this is all starting to drive as that only lists the mechanical shutter modes. Looks like the electronic shutter sync speed is significantly faster.
p.3 #15 · Official Canon EOS R1 Images and Specifications
whumber wrote:
Ok, this is all starting to drive as that only lists the mechanical shutter modes. Looks like the electronic shutter sync speed is significantly faster.
But note the statement under shutter - which says the camera cannot use flash in electronic shutter mode.
Also, PetaPixel measured readout speed at 1/300s, so how could it flash sync at 1/400s?
p.3 #16 · Official Canon EOS R1 Images and Specifications
artsupreme wrote:
Hahaha, but that's what the R1 was supposed to be. Everyone's been waiting years for the R1 flagship and they just released the R3mkII. If Canon had a real flagship with resolution I think they would have released it today to avoid more disappointment and outflow of customers.
A guy can dream!?!
I agree - I'm guessing they had a lot of new features ready to roll for an R1 but couldn't get the censor done in time so they pushed to release this at 24MP. A higher resolution R1s / R2 is going to have to wait. But they wanted to get the cross-type sensors, S-Log2, improved Eye-controlled AF and viewfinder experience and other new tech out there before someone beats them to it.
p.3 #17 · Official Canon EOS R1 Images and Specifications
Jman13 wrote:
Readout speed is 1/300s. However, regarding flash sync:
From Canon's official technical specs, the R1 can flash sync at 1/320s, but that's with electronic first curtain shutter (so it uses the mechanical shutter for the second curtain). Z8 is 1/200s, so it's not twice as fast. Also, the R1 does 1/200s in full mechanical. The official technical specifications don't list a sync speed in electronic shutter mode, and in fact have a listing that says that flash is not available in electronic shutter mode. (Nor can it be used for HDR, multiple exposure, multi shot noise reduction, AEB, HDR PQ, or anti-flicker shooting (say what?).
p.3 #18 · Official Canon EOS R1 Images and Specifications
Well something is off, since Canon Europe and Canon USA have significantly different specifications listed. But again, I don't see how it could sync at 1/400s in electronic shutter mode when the sensor can't read that fast.
