I'd find it hard to spend $4,000 on an unproven camera that clearly isn't ergonomically friendly and has only a 24mp sensor. They can only even think of charging that much because their competition is Leica, which overcharges as well. But Leica can overcharge just like Louis Vuitton and Mont Blanc can overcharge, while Pixii doesn't have a history. And what kind of name is Pixii for a so-called premium product. In short, I don't get it.
I just wish Cosina (Voigtlander) had stayed in this game instead of bailing out early.
Maybe that is the cost of creating such a product and for it to be a sustainable business model?
I share similar skepticism about the company, yet on the other hand hope they succeed because there is a niche within the niche occupied by the M system that would appreciate a 'moderately priced' modern M camera that Leica has ignored with their product line.
Reasons to buy the Pixii over current Leica offerings
- smaller and quite a bit lighter
- upgradable (Pixii has done a nice job of offering users upgrades on their existing cameras)
- more useful info in viewfinder vs leica
- monochrome raw mode (don't know how well this works though), ability to potentially have color and Mono mode in one body is appealing
- Price (basically half the price of new Leicas, with cheap and plentiful batteries, onboard memory..)
I am sure there are more, and also some tradeoffs vs Leica
Perplexing/unknown
- no 28mm frame lines?
- sensor readout and potential for rolling shutter?
Honestly in my opinion, i think this offers a better value proposition vs Leica for the RF experience...if i didn't already have a Leica i might be tempted, I actually might even be tempted to sell my M10 and pick one of these up...the M10 feels heavier than it needs to be
Based on Leicarumors comments, it is the same sensor from Sigma FP:
"IMX410 is a 24.5MP sensor and it's the only 24x36 sensor available off the shelf from Sony Semiconductor Solutions." https://www.sony-semicon.com/en/products/is/camera/index.html
So 1/15sec readout speed in 14-bit and 1/30sec in 12-bit.
leolab wrote:
- sensor readout and potential for rolling shutter?
leolab wrote:
- sensor readout and potential for rolling shutter?
serhan_ wrote:
Based on Leicarumors comments, it is the same sensor from Sigma FP:
"IMX410 is a 24.5MP sensor and it's the only 24x36 sensor available off the shelf from Sony Semiconductor Solutions." https://www.sony-semicon.com/en/products/is/camera/index.html
So 1/15sec readout speed in 14-bit and 1/30sec in 12-bit.
Well, that saves me 4000 Euro!
Unfortunate if indeed no mechanical shutter option, unless there is some wizardry available to them...?
johnvanr wrote:
They can only even think of charging that much because their competition is Leica
I wouldn't expect a camera like this, produced in low volumes relative to, say, a 24MP Nikon Z6, to be able to be economically produced and retail priced the same or even nearly the same as a Z6.
Price may not be the major point to object to.
an unproven camera
And there's that, too.
<cough>M11 freezes</cough>
(My M11-P luckily has been solid)
michaelwatkins wrote:
I wouldn't expect a camera like this, produced in low volumes relative to, say, a 24MP Nikon Z6, to be able to be economically produced and retail priced the same or even nearly the same as a Z6.
Price may not be the major point to object to.
And there's that, too.
<cough>M11 freezes</cough>
(My M11-P luckily has been solid)
Oh, I understand the reasons behind the pricing, but generally no one cares about production costs. They care about perceived received value.
serhan_ wrote:
Based on Leicarumors comments, it is the same sensor from Sigma FP:
"IMX410 is a 24.5MP sensor and it's the only 24x36 sensor available off the shelf from Sony Semiconductor Solutions." https://www.sony-semicon.com/en/products/is/camera/index.html
So 1/15sec readout speed in 14-bit and 1/30sec in 12-bit.
At least it's BSI. Should have about the same M lens performance as the Zf. I'd have to stop down between 1-2 stops to equal Leica M corner performance. I guess I can hold out hope that they customized the cover glass.
Unfortunate if indeed no mechanical shutter option, unless there is some wizardry available to them...?
Let’s pretend I have no idea what 1/15 sec readout speed means… could you explain how that would effect me doing my usual walking around outside taking pics of stuff?
Desmolicious wrote:
Let’s pretend I have no idea what 1/15 sec readout speed means… could you explain how that would effect me doing my usual walking around outside taking pics of stuff?
It's rolling shutter. If you choose 1/1000 sec. shutter speed, sure each pixel gets exposed for that amount of time. But it takes the camera 1/15 second to fire off all the pixels in a cascade across the sensor. It's essentially a second shutter that can cause warping in/of the image if the subject is moving such that 1/15 sec. will not freeze their motion – or if you do not hold super still, you can move the frame and cause warping as well. It's the major drawback to using the electronic shutters on cameras with slow readout (scan) speeds.
RustyBug wrote:
Would be "something" ... if their 64 bit architecture is even faster than that. The lack of a mechanical shutter may be a concern for some, so they hopefully have brought a fast readout to the table.
RustyBug wrote:
Well ... so much for that thought.
Just ask everyone in the street to freeze and hold still while you do street photography. Or ask the grass to stop blowing around in the wind when doing landscapes
