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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · New Pixii camera launch


Just checked their website...the image shows a Pixii branded lens on the camera...are they going to launch some M-mount lenses


Jul 03, 2024 at 10:34 AM
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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · New Pixii camera launch


Looks like they just took the image down


Jul 03, 2024 at 10:52 AM
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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · New Pixii camera launch


https://leicarumors.com/2024/07/03/pixii-to-announce-a-new-24mp-full-frame-camera-with-leica-m-mount.aspx/







Jul 03, 2024 at 11:09 AM
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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · New Pixii camera launch


Fred Miranda wrote:
https://leicarumors.com/2024/07/03/pixii-to-announce-a-new-24mp-full-frame-camera-with-leica-m-mount.aspx/


Lovely--can't believe they actually did it. And what's more, looks like you can (hopefully the info is correct) update the older bodies to FF. Wicked cool. I think between 24 - 45 MP is a sweet spot for general photography, especially with no IBIS. I wonder if the sensor will be BSI for dealing with color shift and vignetting successfully. And I assume the sensor stack with mimic Leica's so we get native performance.

I really like the color output and have been curious about these cameras since launch.



Jul 03, 2024 at 11:32 AM
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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · New Pixii camera launch


It's amazing if existing users can upgrade, but I was kind of hoping they couldn't and all the current Pixi owners would be dumping their APS-C versions on eBay at bargain prices so bottom feeders like me could snatch one up. I actually like APS-C and would like to get an APS-C m-mount camera for one specific lens (that is pretty magical on APS-C and less so on full frame), but the Pixi has been and continues to be beyond the price I'm willing to pay for a camera.


Jul 03, 2024 at 11:47 AM
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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · New Pixii camera launch


Very cool! Love the design - always have - but now it is as it should be.
The clincher will be the cost. The cheapest NEW digital M is $9k (but does come w a 60mp sensor)

If this is $3500-$4000 then it should sell really well.

What is very cool about Pixii is they do stuff like provide instructions on how to adjust the RF yourself etc.



Jul 03, 2024 at 11:52 AM
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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · New Pixii camera launch


The post linked before has now been updated with a press release from Pixii which starts: "Pixii SAS announces Pixii Max, its first full-frame camera with a high-performance 24.5MP sensor, wide-angle optical viewfinder and a seamless upgrade option for existing Pixii owners. Available for pre-order on July 5, with a launch price of 3999 euros w/o taxes."


Jul 03, 2024 at 11:55 AM
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Starting at 4000EU apparently.

“Full-frame with a 24.5MP sensor
64-bit Platform
Price starts at €4,000

New viewfinder that will display the basic camera settings and 28/35/50 frame lines
Two different models: with 32GB and 128GB internal memory
Current Pixii camera owners will be able to upgrade to the new model
The official announcement should be this week
Update: Pixii is rumored to announce also a new Zephyr-M lens”

Interesting - will be releasing a lens.





Jul 03, 2024 at 11:59 AM
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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · New Pixii camera launch


Very cool! I'm really glad this company exists and I hope it sells decently enough to keep them in business for a long time to come.

... With that being said (and without knowing the full specs): what is the draw here, compared to, say, a used M10 or M10-D? At €2500-3000 I kinda got it? It's a connected M-mount camera from a boutique brand that uniquely shoots APS-C: something not seen since the Epson R-D1 and M8 days. But at €4000 for a full frame camera, you're really competing against existing recent Leica cameras like the M10-D and even encroaching used M11 territory, with all the build quality, support and pedigree that comes with it.



Jul 03, 2024 at 12:06 PM
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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · New Pixii camera launch


Fred Miranda wrote:
https://leicarumors.com/2024/07/03/pixii-to-announce-a-new-24mp-full-frame-camera-with-leica-m-mount.aspx/


Full Frame? Now this is starting to get interesting. Maybe time for me to take a more serious look at this camera !



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derKoekje wrote:
Very cool! I'm really glad this company exists and I hope it sells decently enough to keep them in business for a long time to come.

... With that being said (and without knowing the full specs): what is the draw here, compared to, say, a used M10 or M10-D? At €2500-3000 I kinda got it? It's a connected M-mount camera from a boutique brand that uniquely shoots APS-C: something not seen since the Epson R-D1 and M8 days. But at €4000 for a full frame camera, you're really competing against existing recent Leica cameras like the M10-D and even encroaching
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The draw is you get to buy a new FF M mount digital camera with unique styling, build and features.

I understand what you are saying because you can get an M240 for $2500 and that is a fantastic camera. But this is a new and unique thing. Some people are drawn to that, and some don’t want the baggage associated with Leica. For example their attitude with how they treat customers post sale when there is a warranty issue.



Jul 03, 2024 at 12:12 PM
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I think what's important about this camera, aside from a FF RF alterntive to Leica, is the sensor is wayyy better than what you are getting out of an m240. Just looking at a comp with their APS-C versus FF from DXOmark (and they use the m10 which bests the m240):

"At base ISO, the smaller APS-C sensor in the Pixii has around the same peak 13.5 stops of dynamic range as the full-frame Leica Q2 at its base when normalized to the equivalent of a 12 x 8 print, which is impressive. However, as ISO settings increase, the Pixii has the better, wider dynamic range than the Q2 at every ISO setting up to ISO 25600, even when accounting for the one-stop disparity in manufacturer ISOs.

A second gain is noticeable at ISO 1600 on the Pixii, which corresponds to a similar boost in sensitivity on the Leica Q2 at ISO 800, but the former has around a +0.5 EV advantage and maintains that throughout the ISO range up to its maximum ISO 25600 setting anyway.

The Leica M10 on the other hand has slightly lower maximum DR at base than either the Q2 or the Pixii, but then has a similar response up to ISO 800. After that point though, without a second gain, the sensor shows its age and drops behind both."

Essentially, if you want modern digital IQ, you need an m11, which is so spendy, even used. I believe the Pixii FF sensor will compare very favorably. Let's see a rumor for the price!



Jul 03, 2024 at 12:55 PM
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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · New Pixii camera launch


nehemiahphoto wrote:
Let's see a rumor for the price!


According to the Leica rumors page: "The price is expected to start at €4,000."

Read more: https://leicarumors.com/2024/07/03/pixii-to-announce-a-new-24mp-full-frame-camera-with-leica-m-mount.aspx/#ixzz8ewTFbbpZ



Jul 03, 2024 at 01:00 PM
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bjhurley wrote:
According to the Leica rumors page: "The price is expected to start at €4,000."

Read more: https://leicarumors.com/2024/07/03/pixii-to-announce-a-new-24mp-full-frame-camera-with-leica-m-mount.aspx/#ixzz8ewTFbbpZ


Missed that--thanks Brad. About half of a retail m11 looks like. Compelling. Do you think you'll take a swing at it?




Jul 03, 2024 at 01:02 PM
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nehemiahphoto wrote:
Missed that--thanks Brad. About half of a retail m11 looks like. Compelling. Do you think you'll take a swing at it?



If I were going to buy a digital M camera I certainly would, but it's still way too pricey for me (most I've ever spent on a camera is about $2,500 and I'd rather not pay much more...I can wait 5 years or so and get a third-hand one.



Jul 03, 2024 at 01:21 PM
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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · New Pixii camera launch


According to PetaPixel 32GB of internal storage or 128GB for 3,999 and 4,249 euros, respectively. No US price yet.

This is fantastic news!!!



Jul 03, 2024 at 01:25 PM
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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · New Pixii camera launch


With the Pixii Max using a 24MP full frame sensor and only having an electronic shutter available, the readout speed will be an important spec. to know for artifacts created.

If the Pixii Max 24MP sensor is a Sony source the electronic shutter readout speed will be only 1/16 sec., if it's a 24MP Canon sensor that would be great (1/68 sec).



Jul 03, 2024 at 01:42 PM
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goodbokeh wrote:
With the Pixii Max using a 24MP full frame sensor and only having an electronic shutter available, the readout speed will be an important spec. to know for artifacts created.

If the Pixii Max 24MP sensor is a Sony source the electronic shutter readout speed will be only 1/16 sec., if it's a 24MP Canon sensor that would be great (1/68 sec).


Unless they somehow got their hands on the stacked sensor from the A9/A9II (1/152 sec), which would be ideal.



Jul 03, 2024 at 02:35 PM
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Yes an A9/A9II stacked sensor would be ideal. But at the price offered I don't think that will be possible.


Jul 03, 2024 at 02:40 PM
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Desmolicious wrote:
Very cool! Love the design - always have - but now it is as it should be.
The clincher will be the cost. The cheapest NEW digital M is $9k (but does come w a 60mp sensor)

If this is $3500-$4000 then it should sell really well.

What is very cool about Pixii is they do stuff like provide instructions on how to adjust the RF yourself etc.


I think we've discussed this before but Leica leaving out a current "M-E" model opens up a market niche for a competitor. Given the M market is already extremely niche, such competition likely wouldn't come from a mainstream brand because sales volume likely wouldn't justify development costs. But a small company like Pixii likely is content with such revenue and hopefully can find a sustainable balance. IMO biggest barrier to adopting Pixii is service/support. And here Leica certainly has not be class leading, leaving open huge room for improvement. But at least they have service/support presence in most major markets.

I hope Pixii is able to make this work because there needs to be an 'every-person' digital M option to counter Leica's steadily increasing M price point.

Also kind of wonder if this might spur Leica to respond, like it seems they did when LLL started releasing vintage Leica clones.

bjhurley wrote:
It's amazing if existing users can upgrade, but I was kind of hoping they couldn't and all the current Pixi owners would be dumping their APS-C versions on eBay at bargain prices so bottom feeders like me could snatch one up. I actually like APS-C and would like to get an APS-C m-mount camera for one specific lens (that is pretty magical on APS-C and less so on full frame), but the Pixi has been and continues to be beyond the price I'm willing to pay for a camera.


You might still depending on the cost of the FF upgrade. Some might just opt to sell and get a brand new camera.

goodbokeh wrote:
With the Pixii Max using a 24MP full frame sensor and only having an electronic shutter available, the readout speed will be an important spec. to know for artifacts created.

If the Pixii Max 24MP sensor is a Sony source the electronic shutter readout speed will be only 1/16 sec., if it's a 24MP Canon sensor that would be great (1/68 sec).


That's IMO an extremely important detail that I forgot about. For me it could be a dealbreaker if I was otherwise interested in this camera (if it uses the slow Sony sensor). There's probably a -100% chance they could use a Canon sensor given how tightly Canon likes to hold their cards (though they apparently do sell sensors for third party applications, but not sure if any of those are for the still photography market).

If somehow Pixii got a hold of a stacked sensor, it would be a big deal (for me) and is what I argued Leica should have done for the M11 (get the Sony 50MP sensor in the a1) for a true handheld silent shooting experience.



Jul 03, 2024 at 02:54 PM
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