He is a moderately successful YouTuber who posts restrained vlogs of his various outings and post processing. He has also switched systems three times in the last few years, from Canon to Nikon to some MF body, I forget which one. I would have thought that in the Nikon world he is a B lister, surprised that Nikon would use him for the launch campaign (if he is indeed shooting with a Z6iii). He is a landscape guy, which is another reason I would not expect him to be on the launch campaign, because the Z6iii is not what you would think of as a landscape camera - unless Nikon has an ace up their sleeve that they have improbably been able to keep secret.
I never quite understood why the rumors have concentrated on the Z6III only.
The Z6 was introduced together with the Z7, same with Z6II and Z7II.
To me there is clearly room for a 80mp landscape camera in a reasonably compact body. Nikon is not going to stay at 45mp forever.
I don’t understand the logic in accepting that the Z6III has a new sensor but rule out upfront the possibility that a Z7III may be about to come and feature another new sensor.
Nikon hasn’t developed anything fundamentally new since the Z9 3 years ago.
I don't remember if any other "Official camera thread" went this far before even camera existence 😃
But, some people suggested on NR, the camera top may look like silver.
Bottom line, who knows what Thomas is testing.
We'll find out soon.
cvrle59 wrote:
I don't remember if any other "Official camera thread" went this far before even camera existence 😃
But, some people suggested on NR, the camera top may look like silver.
Bottom line, who knows what Thomas is testing.
We'll find out soon.
Hahah… well because it’s really late to the game. Both Sony and canon released their newer versions and the Z6 II is now like 4 years old? And in camera technology, it’s getting old. The days of 8-bit 4:2:0 is like 2015 era. I really want this Z6 III if the specs are true. I said it long ago that 24mp is the sweet spot, we just needed better video. I really liked the low light performance of the z6 II, the only issue was video. I’m glad Nikon kept it 24mp and didn’t bump it higher. If we want higher res, we’ve got Z7, Z8.
I never quite understood why the rumors have concentrated on the Z6III only.
The Z6 was introduced together with the Z7, same with Z6II and Z7II.
To me there is clearly room for a 80mp landscape camera in a reasonably compact body. Nikon is not going to stay at 45mp forever.
I don’t understand the logic in accepting that the Z6III has a new sensor but rule out upfront the possibility that a Z7III may be about to come and feature another new sensor.
Nikon hasn’t developed anything fundamentally new since the Z9 3 years ago.
Cheers,
Bernard
I think the Z7 III left people’s minds when the Z8 came out. Perhaps the Z7 III can maintain the 45.7mp BSI sensor or even a 60mp sensor and give it 4K 10-bit 4:2:0 video, Expeed7 and other improvements like AF? Maybe that would be enough to make it attractive to buyers? But the price is too close to Z8 assuming the MSRP is what the Z7 II was at $3296.00 who knows. I don’t think we will see a Z6/Z7 III release like we did for the last two.
I think a high mp, non stacked, high DR, smaller form factor, Z7III is definitely coming. There will be more demand for that camera than the Z8. Nikon must fill the center of demand market segment if it hopes to recapture market share, and sell lenses.
1bwana1 wrote:
I think a high mp, non stacked, high DR, smaller form factor, Z7III is definitely coming. There will be more demand for that camera than the Z8. Nikon must fill the center of demand market segment if it hopes to recapture market share, and sell lenses.
I agree with the sentiment expressed by others that the Z7iii died the day the Z8 came out. It has always felt that the Z7 was a shortcut to get a MLIC "system" out the door with the fewest resources possible while keeping the maximum number of people the least unhappy possible. So take the same body, slap two different sensors in it, et voila. As far as I am aware Nikon has never before released a highly spec'd sensor in a PSAM form factor and a fragile accessory port. The market for such a camera is limited to people like me - aging enthusiasts who no longer want the extra weight and size of the "semi pro" body. I would have loved to see the Z6iii at an intermediate Mpx (low to mid 30s) to scratch my landscape itch without having to go to a large body, but alas that does not seem to be the case. 24MPx is plenty for 99% of my needs so I will live, albeit in agony
GroovyGeek wrote:
I agree with the sentiment expressed by others that the Z7iii died the day the Z8 came out. It has always felt that the Z7 was a shortcut to get a MLIC "system" out the door with the fewest resources possible while keeping the maximum number of people the least unhappy possible. So take the same body, slap two different sensors in it, et voila. As far as I am aware Nikon has never before released a highly spec'd sensor in a PSAM form factor and a fragile accessory port. The market for such a camera is limited to people like me - aging enthusiasts who no longer want the extra weight and size of the "semi pro" body. I would have loved to see the Z6iii at an intermediate Mpx (low to mid 30s) to scratch my landscape itch without having to go to a large body, but alas that does not seem to be the case. 24MPx is plenty for 99% of my needs so I will live, albeit in agony ...Show more →
Market share data is in conflict with your view of the demand for such cameras. Just do a quick search on Amazon for best selling mirrorless cameras. The A7IV/A7V and similar FF spec cameras from other manufactures dominate the top of the list. The Z8 is around the bottom of the list at 47th place. It's form factor is not desirable for most people young or old.
Nikon released the Z6/7 cameras first because that is the heart of the market. They thought that their user base would accept these deficient, uncompetitive cameras out of loyalty. They got the cameras, and the loyalty thing way wrong. So many people properly judged this mistake that Nikon's market share and financials deteriorated to an extensional level. Nikon has spent years trying to catch up technology wise. They have done well with one camera the Z9 which they have packaged in two bodies. I believe that Nikon understands the importance of both the Z6/7 III bodies to its long term success. They lack of these two segments in Nikon's line up has forced them to down price the Z9/8 cameras. Once they have this price point properly equipped in the line they will be free to up price version II of the Z9/8. Nikon's vison is not as the low priced leader, as they are currently positioned. They will want to tompete heads up in the market. They will make both cameras, and my expectation is that they will both be excellent, fully competitive cameras in their respective price points.
No one is even mentioning how the GFX ecosystem maturing has eroded the Z7's market. That you can get a clean, almost like new GFX 100S for $3000 is extremely disruptive to whatever a Z7iii might be. There's a glut of clean used glass now as well.
If you're one of those one-to-two lens landscape guys, the GFX is going to be the better route by a margin for many potential Z7iii customers, and the body is only marginally larger in the big scheme of things (and some might find it more comfortable even).
RoamingScott wrote:
No one is even mentioning how the GFX ecosystem maturing has eroded the Z7's market. That you can get a clean, almost like new GFX 100S for $3000 is extremely disruptive to whatever a Z7iii might be. There's a glut of clean used glass now as well.
If you're one of those one-to-two lens landscape guys, the GFX is going to be the better route by a margin for many potential Z7iii customers, and the body is only marginally larger in the big scheme of things (and some might find it more comfortable even).
Agreed. I looked seriously at the GFX system but I still like what I get from Nikon. The Z7 II is dated in some features. For images, I think the IQ is still simply stunning but from there it lacks in AF (compared to what we see from Canon/Sony), it lacks in video. It's a great stills camera. So if Nikon were to revamp the Z7, they'd better make it worth it and perhaps using that 60mp sensor, Expeed7, with 4K 10-bit internal would make it a really good well rounded camera.
ArizonaImage wrote:
Funny, NikonRumors just posted June 11th or 18th for some announcement. Hmm
Yeah, I think Nikon Japan announced something about temporary closure of Nikon Plaza on June 10th and 17th
Which could be June 11th and 18th in the US. I got information about June 10th from Nikon Thailand MD fb page
Saying that there should be a big announcement today but did not say what exactly. I am traveling in Namibia right now though so I am not keeping up on the news much
ArizonaImage wrote:
Agreed. I looked seriously at the GFX system but I still like what I get from Nikon. The Z7 II is dated in some features. For images, I think the IQ is still simply stunning but from there it lacks in AF (compared to what we see from Canon/Sony), it lacks in video. It's a great stills camera. So if Nikon were to revamp the Z7, they'd better make it worth it and perhaps using that 60mp sensor, Expeed7, with 4K 10-bit internal would make it a really good well rounded camera.
Frankly, I have a full GFX system with 2 100mp bodies and most lenses... but I will clearly hesitate to keep it if I get a great 80mp Z7III.
To me the DR gap is mostly irrelevant, so small that it is not visible in actual images.
