Is there anyone in here who's actually going to push their Z6III images so far that they're truly better off sticking with a Z6II? Feels like there's pages about the Z6III's DR by a bunch of people who will never run into the "issue".
Much prefer GroovyGeek's usability feedback to this DR nonsense. If there's a fault of the photography community, it's this insane border-case testing that you have to go above and beyond to create and zoom in close to see. All of y'all are just going to stick your images through a denoiser anyway, the camera body doesn't even matter.
JPuckettPhoto wrote:
Is there anyone in here who's actually going to push their Z6III images so far that they're truly better off sticking with a Z6II? Feels like there's pages about the Z6III's DR by a bunch of people who will never run into the "issue".
Much prefer GroovyGeek's usability feedback to this DR nonsense. If there's a fault of the photography community, it's this insane border-case testing that you have to go above and beyond to create and zoom in close to see. All of y'all are just going to stick your images through a denoiser anyway, the camera body doesn't even matter....Show more →
I push base ISO images from my cameras by 4EV on occasion. That's equivalent to ISO 1600 in terms of overall noise - do people think ISO 1600 is unusable on any of these cameras?
snapsy wrote:
I certainly understand the utility i comparing to the Sony - I'm just saying the comparison performed by Gerald is invalid because the NR can't be normalized between the cameras.
Well, his numbers were based on H.265 and 800 ISO on all 3 cameras. I wouldn't say his results are invalidated. My point is, the Sony is pretty much maxed on DR, where the Nikon isn't unless you are using a codec like H.265 which has some NR in it. It simply proves the Z6 III is pretty equally matched in video DR. Stills, depends on who you ask. If you have the Z6 III and a Z6 II or Z5, test it for yourself and you'll see its not as dramatic, if at all, as Tony puts it. I pushed my images 5-stops and I don't see what Tony saw.
ArizonaImage wrote:
Well, his numbers were based on H.265 and 800 ISO on all 3 cameras. I wouldn't say his results are invalidated. My point is, the Sony is pretty much maxed on DR, where the Nikon isn't unless you are using a codec like H.265 which has some NR in it. It simply proves the Z6 III is pretty equally matched in video DR. Stills, depends on who you ask. If you have the Z6 III and a Z6 II or Z5, test it for yourself and you'll see its not as dramatic, if at all, as Tony puts it. I pushed my images 5-stops and I don't see what Tony saw. ...Show more →
Sorry the intro is still on it but just slapped 2 clips together, pushed shawdows to 100 in Final Cut Pro in both videos-
Perfect for me-
Shot on the Z6iii and 35 APO in Whislter- I have tons of video of mtn biking that I am piecing together but here is just 2 quick segments of my wife on a gravel bike-
What does it prove? That a 2500 dollar camera can shoot great 4k 60 video and do everything I need it to- Stills and video wise-
snapsy wrote:
I push base ISO images from my cameras by 4EV on occasion. That's equivalent to ISO 1600 in terms of overall noise - do people think ISO 1600 is unusable on any of these cameras?
From the small handful of videos I've watched, it seems to mostly be people who are running 5-digit ISOs and seeing what I consider to be an existing, but negligible difference, then going into LR and jacking the shadows up another 3-5 stops. Completely unrealistic scenarios for all but 0.1% of people out there, if that. Obviously I'm making up that 0.1% number in my head but I just don't think there are many people out there who are going to be affected by such scenarios.
When I turn on the Z6iii with the cap on, I see a red/green/blue speckle pattern on the screen and the EVF, which is clearly sensor noise. Settings are ISO=100, aperture priority, VF set to "show effect of settings". Under the same conditions my Z6 LCD and EVF are pitch black. Any idea what is going on? The pattern is present at all settings, including M, all ISOs and aperture settings.
One of those “what kinds of photos are you gonna take in that configuration“ complaint!
But seriously, attach a lens and take a shot before hating your purchase.
GroovyGeek wrote:
When I turn on the Z6iii with the cap on, I see a red/green/blue speckle pattern on the screen and the EVF, which is clearly sensor noise. Settings are ISO=100, aperture priority, VF set to "show effect of settings". Under the same conditions my Z6 LCD and EVF are pitch black. Any idea what is going on?
RoamingScott wrote:
One of those “what kinds of photos are you gonna take in that configuration“ complaint!
But seriously, attach a lens and take a shot before hating your purchase.
It will be helpful to read the question before responding. There is a lens attached, the cap is on. I am not making any claims about noise in the images, just asking whether others have seen this behavior on the Z6iii and if it is normal - becausr it is clearly not present on my Z6. And since you don't have a Z6iii yet perhaps there is no need to "answer"?
For those who could perhaps be helpful, here is a brief video. z6iii lcd first Z6 second. I tried resetting the menus to default which did not help.
ArizonaImage wrote:
Well, his numbers were based on H.265 and 800 ISO on all 3 cameras. I wouldn't say his results are invalidated. My point is, the Sony is pretty much maxed on DR, where the Nikon isn't unless you are using a codec like H.265 which has some NR in it. It simply proves the Z6 III is pretty equally matched in video DR. Stills, depends on who you ask. If you have the Z6 III and a Z6 II or Z5, test it for yourself and you'll see its not as dramatic, if at all, as Tony puts it. I pushed my images 5-stops and I don't see what Tony saw. ...Show more →
Sony is not even the right camera to compare the video dynamic range of Z6III. Try comparing it with Fujix XH2S, and you will see that Z6III is far behind. I shoot more wedding videos than stills these days, and the Z6II dynamic range sucks. For Z6III to be worse than Z6II is not good. It is so easy to work around the issue on stills, but video is almost impossible, and it has nothing to do with exposing properly. There are some scenes where you have to push the shadows.
I'm so confused because I used the Z6II for years, so I know what I will be getting into. The Z6III is the perfect camera for me, except for the DR. Hopefully, Nikon will come out with N-Log 2. I have already put my Canon R6II for sale.
okafoja wrote:
Sony is not even the right camera to compare the video dynamic range of Z6III. Try comparing it with Fujix XH2S, and you will see that Z6III is far behind. I shoot more wedding videos than stills these days, and the Z6II dynamic range sucks. For Z6III to be worse than Z6II is not good. It is so easy to work around the issue on stills, but video is almost impossible, and it has nothing to do with exposing properly. There are some scenes where you have to push the shadows.
I'm so confused because I used the Z6II for years, so I know what I will be getting into. The Z6III is the perfect camera for me, except for the DR. Hopefully, Nikon will come out with N-Log 2. I have already put my Canon R6II for sale. ...Show more →
I wouldn't compare an APS-C sensor camera to a FF camera. Z6 III competes with the R6 II and A7IV. No one looking at an XH2S is comparing it to a Z6 III. For my use, the Z6 III has matched the performance of the Z5 and Z6 II in my use. I see no drawbacks in video or stills IQ or DR thus far. I've shot NRAW with NLOG, used other logs, applied LUTS, and I'm happy with what I am seeing.
ArizonaImage wrote: okafoja wrote:
Sony is not even the right camera to compare the video dynamic range of Z6III. Try comparing it with Fujix XH2S, and you will see that Z6III is far behind. I shoot more wedding videos than stills these days, and the Z6II dynamic range sucks. For Z6III to be worse than Z6II is not good. It is so easy to work around the issue on stills, but video is almost impossible, and it has nothing to do with exposing properly. There are some scenes where you have to push the shadows.
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I wouldn't compare an APS-C sensor camera to a FF camera. Z6 III competes with the R6 II and A7IV. No one looking at an XH2S is comparing it to a Z6 III. For my use, the Z6 III has matched the performance of the Z5 and Z6 II in my use. I see no drawbacks in video or stills IQ or DR.[/quote
okafoja wrote: ArizonaImage wrote: okafoja wrote:
Sony is not even the right camera to compare the video dynamic range of Z6III. Try comparing it with Fujix XH2S, and you will see that Z6III is far behind. I shoot more wedding videos than stills these days, and the Z6II dynamic range sucks. For Z6III to be worse than Z6II is not good. It is so easy to work around the issue on stills, but video is almost impossible, and it has nothing to do with exposing properly. There are some scenes where you have to push the shadows.
I'm so confused because I used the Z6II style="display:none;"> style="display:none;"> for years, so I know what I will be getting into. The Z6III is the perfect camera for me, except for the DR. Hopefully, Nikon will come out with N-Log 2. I have already put my Canon R6II for sale. ...Show more →
I wouldn't compare an APS-C sensor camera to a FF camera. Z6 III competes with the R6 II and A7IV. No one looking at an XH2S is comparing it to a Z6 III. For my use, the Z6 III has matched the performance of the Z5 and Z6 II in my use. I see no drawbacks in video or stills IQ or DR.[/quote
I understand that for your own needs, such as photos, there's no need to compare Fuji with Z6III. But in video, a crop sensor with a fully stacked sensor easily outperforms Z6III in terms of dynamic range. The sensor in Z6III regressed in this aspect. ...Show more →
I don't see how the log curve would affect dynamic range when recording raw. The raw files contain basically all the information the sensor can give. Log is a transformation that cannot create extra information, it only modifies the way the data is stored and represented.
When recording non-raw video, log can indeed increase the dynamic range. This happens because the file format has lower bit depth than raw and this range of values can be more efficiently stored by transforming the linear sensor readings with log and then storing it in a lower bit depth format.
I can see that if you are used to working with log video you'd want to keep doing that with raw video footage but it shouldn't affect dynamic range at least in the sensor information sense that I understand it.
okafoja wrote:
Sony is not even the right camera to compare the video dynamic range of Z6III. Try comparing it with Fujix XH2S, and you will see that Z6III is far behind. I shoot more wedding videos than stills these days, and the Z6II dynamic range sucks. For Z6III to be worse than Z6II is not good. It is so easy to work around the issue on stills, but video is almost impossible, and it has nothing to do with exposing properly. There are some scenes where you have to push the shadows.
I'm so confused because I used the Z6II for years, so I know what I will be getting into. The Z6III is the perfect camera for me, except for the DR. Hopefully, Nikon will come out with N-Log 2. I have already put my Canon R6II for sale. ...Show more →
GroovyGeek wrote:
It will be helpful to read the question before responding. There is a lens attached, the cap is on. I am not making any claims about noise in the images, just asking whether others have seen this behavior on the Z6iii and if it is normal - becausr it is clearly not present on my Z6. And since you don't have a Z6iii yet perhaps there is no need to "answer"?
For those who could perhaps be helpful, here is a brief video. z6iii lcd first Z6 second. I tried resetting the menus to default which did not help.
Wow, that Z6III looks wild.
I don't have one myself so I can't check, but I'm also curious now if this is normal behavior for the Z6III.
GroovyGeek wrote:
When I turn on the Z6iii with the cap on, I see a red/green/blue speckle pattern on the screen and the EVF, which is clearly sensor noise. Settings are ISO=100, aperture priority, VF set to "show effect of settings". Under the same conditions my Z6 LCD and EVF are pitch black. Any idea what is going on? The pattern is present at all settings, including M, all ISOs and aperture settings.
I understand the z6III to have the brightest VF of any camera to date. I wonder if this is a factor in what you are seeing here.
