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 p.3 #20 · Panasonic Announces Ultra-Compact Full-Frame LUMIX S9 | |
nehemiahphoto wrote:
Yes. And to be honest, I think, with some of the AI auto framing features, AF and longer recording limits and the wider lens selection of both Sony and 3rd party (specifically Tamron) the ZV-E1 does better at the same job. Not that either will be successful. It’s hard for me to understand how attractive LUT’s are—some shooters, especially these types, lean on presets/LUTs and a certain “cool” and “vintage” vibe. As far as mobility and quasi-automating the workflow, this is just another missed (I think) attempt from manufactures trying to penetrate a market it doesn’t seem like they understand.
This is coming out it from the video side, whereas the ZX1 was coming out of it from the photo side.
What surprises me about all these cameras, is no internal hard drive/memory card yet, and while the workflows are getting more streamlined for content that needs to be turned out immediately, I just cannot believe somebody does not super size an iPhone. Literally.
Just make a tablet/phone, completely touchscreen, put on a moderate prime lens (28/2.8 should be small but good enough), make it high enough MP, give it slow-mo and macro-ish (just like an iphone has). And most importantly, give it the iphone (or android, but I don’t know/use androids) connectivity. if I take six 30 second to four minute videos, I should be able to airdrop text or upload them instantly from the device that I shot them with.
You could even go APS-C. I’ve been shooting a big music festival for the last 10 years. Each year you see more and more videos being turned out with iPhones. Even though they were a whole video crews.
Like I said before this thing was even announced and earlier in this thread, I don’t even know FM’ers here are upset (other than the industry is moving away from stills photos and has been for a long time). Sony’s new a9iii shoots 120fps. What is that? It’s essentially screen grabs and the AF is ridiculously good. Even Fuji’s GFX is getting more video centric.
We aren’t getting a compact FF mixed lens camera (or ILC) that is small with a good EVF, feature set and ergo for under 3.5k (if we even get one). I’d love one though. Maybe the next gen of a7c’s, but even those are gimped (low res EVF, lesser IBIS, few buttons).
I think what the S9 does has nothing to do with FM’ers. Will be interesting to see if it has anything to do with anybody  ...Show more →
There's only so far traditional camera companies are going to get trying to compete with phones. Phones are the center of most content creators' universes. It's a tough sell to get them to buy into dedicated cameras, regardless of connectivity options, when production quality beyond what you can get out of the latest phones isn't going to get them more views/likes/shares. They get a better return putting their money into better lights and sound gear. Traditional CCs are fighting against both a losing business proposition and a generational lifestyle choice there.
I don't know that any company's going to make a "no compromise" compact for the stills market. Sony, ever the withholding bastards, skimped quite a bit with the c updates to give them pricing room between them and the 7IV and rV, but people seem to find ways to be happy with them. Leica may make a mini SL3, but I think it's more likely it'll have the SL2-S sensor and tech (just a guess, but I don't see them creating a camera that could draw sales away from both the SL3 and M11), and I'm sure people will find a way to love it. Compact FF interchangeables in the stills market are going to be hot for a while because, for stills shooters who were disappointed by the constant upsizing of mirrorless cameras, it was a return to what they saw as the promise of mirrorless from the beginning. They'll accept the compromises because they're the best thing on offer right now.
I don't know that Panasonic could've made inroads on that market with a different take on the camera, but I don't see it selling like mad among even the faithful who've relied on Panasonic video for years in whatever form. To me, it looks like a FF version of the GM1. If the 9's lucky, it'll get a second revision with a hot shoe and either an accessory EVF or built in, and then it'll go the way of the GM5, a weirdly beloved little camera that's more prized on the used market than it ever was when available new.
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