p.5 #3 · Anyone shooting with the Leica M-D Type 262?
This is an interesting topic that comes up often. Are the colors on the M262 (or M-D) a bit different from the M240's? I've seen many claiming yes although both use the same 24MP CMOS sensor.
The M240 also supports Live View and video recording. Video requires a different sensor readout behavior, continuously reading data at high speed, managing rolling shutter timing, and processing the video pipeline which means more energy/heat. The M240 offers these features, while the M262 has simpler electronics, and the M-D even simpler.
Could this affect stills output? I'm not sure since I have not tested it, but if there is any difference, it might actually be because of less heat so the M262 files could be cleaner, with less color shift, banding and color noise, but perhaps the overall output would probably be very close at base ISO.
p.5 #4 · Anyone shooting with the Leica M-D Type 262?
And the M240-P variant has different color than the regular M240, I had both, just not at the same time, and I liked the P so much more, much more accurate white balance too which I rarely touch the white balance slider. It's still mostly on the warm side but the colors are balanced so nothing jumps out immediately.
gammarART wrote:
The 262 has other colors than the 240(P)? 😮
p.5 #5 · Anyone shooting with the Leica M-D Type 262?
jeffersoncasey wrote:
And the M240-P variant has different color than the regular M240, I had both, just not at the same time, and I liked the P so much more, much more accurate white balance too which I rarely touch the white balance slider. It's still mostly on the warm side but the colors are balanced so nothing jumps out immediately.
Yeah, I suspected this. A lot of people hated the cold tone of the screen in the M240 and they changed that to a too-warm tone on the 240-P and that lasted through the M262. But was it just a screen color change? hmmm...
p.5 #6 · Anyone shooting with the Leica M-D Type 262?
As far as I know there are two different back display, one with coolish tint and lower contrast so you can make out details better (my M240) and greenish with high contrast and deep shadows that's hard to judge the dynamic range (my M240-P).
My observations and remarks were based on the DNG editing on same display, however. I'm sure Leica knew the issue but no solutions, unlike what they did for the M11 white balance via firmware update (even then I think they only admit the issue when they have solution to it). ottokbre wrote:
Yeah, I suspected this. A lot of people hated the cold tone of the screen in the M240 and they changed that to a too-warm tone on the 240-P and that lasted through the M262. But was it just a screen color change? hmmm...
p.5 #7 · Anyone shooting with the Leica M-D Type 262?
I’d really love to see a comparison (same subjects, same scenes) between the M240P and the M10/M10R colors 🙂
The M10 colors are pretty legendary in the Leica world, especially on the M10-R. After that, we got the 61-megapixel sensor with its very neutral, technically consistent color rendering — accurate, yes, but not particularly distinctive or memorable.
p.5 #8 · Anyone shooting with the Leica M-D Type 262?
gammarART wrote:
I’d really love to see a comparison (same subjects, same scenes) between the M240P and the M10/M10R colors 🙂
The M10 colors are pretty legendary in the Leica world, especially on the M10-R. After that, we got the 61-megapixel sensor with its very neutral, technically consistent color rendering — accurate, yes, but not particularly distinctive or memorable.
I agree. The M11 may be more technically accurate, but that doesn't automatically make it more pleasing.
Aside from the tint issue, which I believe Leica has recently addressed with a fix, I still prefer the colors from my M-D, followed by the M10-P and then the M10-R, in that order. Part of it comes down to tonal rendering. Files with slightly less DR have stronger native contrast and more vivid color straight out of camera. Aside from that, differences in sensor response and Leica's firmware color tuning also influence the overall color signature.
p.5 #11 · Anyone shooting with the Leica M-D Type 262?
Fun to see Fred channeling his inner iFixit. The only missing piece from the M-D is the film advance lever. No joke. More properly, it would cock the shutter and allow the removal of all electric motors, which is good for battery life and reliability. It would also provide a natural (vs artificial) thumb rest. This lever was a super-cool aspect of the old Epson R-D1.
p.5 #12 · Anyone shooting with the Leica M-D Type 262?
Fred Miranda wrote:
A few samples from the M-D + 50/1.4 Lux (pre-apsh)
All wide open.
your M-D pairs well with the lux 50 pre asph, reminds me I've been neglecting mine and will be pulling it off the shelf next month when I return to Asheville.
p.5 #17 · Anyone shooting with the Leica M-D Type 262?
bjhurley wrote:
See the first page of the thread.
Well, the fact that people were asking as early as page 1 what the thread was doing in the film forum is just about the worst possible justification.😄
p.5 #18 · Anyone shooting with the Leica M-D Type 262?
Nifty Fifty wrote:
Well, the fact that people were asking as early as page 1 what the thread was doing in the film forum is just about the worst possible justification.😄
Oh, I wasn't trying to justify it, I was just pointing out that you're late to the "why is this thread here?" party.
p.5 #19 · Anyone shooting with the Leica M-D Type 262?
I was talking to someone recently about the Leica M-D Typ 262 compared to the M11-D, which I just acquired, and thought this might be useful for anyone considering either one.
My original idea was to trade the M-D for the M11-D, but they're actually quite different cameras. The M-D is the closest thing to shooting film, since there's nothing to set up. No WiFi, no Bluetooth, no live view (no EVF support), you set the date and that's it.
1) It has single, continuous, and self-timer mechanical controls right on the power switch itself. The M11-D needs the app for that.
2) It doesn't have auto ISO. That means you set your ISO first, just like shooting film and choosing your ASA before loading the roll.
3) The custom button only toggles between number of shots and battery life. The M11-D gives you seven settings, which honestly feels like a bit much.
4) This is my favorite part: the viewfinder is 0.68x instead of 0.73x, so with a 1.4x magnifier, you get very close to what the M3 viewfinder offers, working beautifully for 50mm while still giving a bit more frameline coverage for 28mm lenses.
5) Lens detection: Very simple on the M-D. If the lens is 6-bit coded, it corrects and writes the lens name to EXIF. If it's not coded, lens detection just goes to "Off." The M11-D doesn't work that way with non-coded lenses, instead of defaulting to "Off," it writes whatever manual lens was last selected, which is annoying.
6) It's glossy black paint over brass, so it'll patina beautifully over time.
p.5 #20 · Anyone shooting with the Leica M-D Type 262?
I recently acquired an M-D Typ 262 and I’m loving it. It feels great in the hands, takes great pictures, and I enjoy the simplicity of it. I’m using the Arte Di Mano half-case that lets you access the battery and card without having to remove the plate, a convenience I enjoy with the M11. With all the other benefits Fred listed above, I’m not at all interested in the M11-D.
The only missing piece from the M-D is the film advance lever. No joke. More properly, it would cock the shutter and allow the removal of all electric motors, which is good for battery life and reliability. It would also provide a natural (vs artificial) thumb rest. This lever was a super-cool aspect of the old Epson R-D1.
