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Archive 2024 · Worth it to Upgrade from Fujifilm X to GFX Series for Landscapes?

  
 
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Sometimes asking for opinions like this only confuses the issues, particularly when you get a bunch of people giving you their opinions based on, well, other people's opinions and having scant or zero hands on experience with the cameras in question. There have been multiple times over the last twenty-five or more years when I just had to go on my gut intuition when considering whether to buy certain photographic items that many others considered crazy or stupid or just wtf would you think about that, and there are times when you just have take the plunge and go
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This makes a lot of sense to me. These days pretty much any photographic (or musical) objective we seek can be achieved in some other, probably cheaper way. But where is the fun in that? Better to invest in tools that you think you will enjoy using. Being able to enjoy the process will likely improve your skills more than having tools with the right/best technical specs.



Apr 14, 2024 at 06:59 PM
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Geoff D F wrote:
This makes a lot of sense to me. These days pretty much any photographic (or musical) objective we seek can be achieved in some other, probably cheaper way. But where is the fun in that? Better to invest in tools that you think you will enjoy using. Being able to enjoy the process will likely improve your skills more than having tools with the right/best technical specs.


The rule of thumb with musical instruments, which also seems to apply to cameras and lenses, is that you should probably be able to hear (or see) the difference or improvement otherwise, what's the point. And even though I'm only a middle of the pack guitar player I can sure hear and appreciate how much better my '47 000-18 Martin sounds than whatever I was playing before, and, because it has that vintage "to die for" Martin tone, it makes you want to play it until your fingers fall off and that alone will improve your playing. I can see how that same idea applies to our photo gear.




Apr 14, 2024 at 08:19 PM
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Peter Figen wrote:
Sometimes asking for opinions like this only confuses the issues, particularly when you get a bunch of people giving you their opinions based on, well, other people's opinions and having scant or zero hands on experience with the cameras in question. There have been multiple times over the last twenty-five or more years when I just had to go on my gut intuition when considering whether to buy certain photographic items that many others considered crazy or stupid or just wtf would you think about that, and there are times when you just have take the plunge and go
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Bravo!



Apr 14, 2024 at 08:49 PM
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Peter Figen wrote:
Sometimes asking for opinions like this only confuses the issues, particularly when you get a bunch of people giving you their opinions based on, well, other people's opinions and having scant or zero hands on experience with the cameras in question. There have been multiple times over the last twenty-five or more years when I just had to go on my gut intuition when considering whether to buy certain photographic items that many others considered crazy or stupid or just wtf would you think about that, and there are times when you just have take the plunge and go
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Two thoughts on the just take a chance and go for it notion.

1. Yes. But also no. I have also taken chances on things and ended up finding something extremely positive. On the other hand, I've taken chances on things and had the opposite happen. So, I suppose that from the life advice perspective it is fine and sometimes even good to just take a chance. Hell, I've given that advice to my own kids more than once. But I've also advised them against it. You see, even the question of whether to "just go for it" is contextual.

2. I'm not against giving life advice here, and sometimes that is actually what is needed more than another dissertation on DR or color or diffraction blur and all the rest. But let's keep in mind that the original post didn't ask for that. The summary line of the request was: "In summary, is the GFX experience worth it for landscape work, despite the extra money invested and weight carried in the kit?" In addition, it was framed as a comparison to the OP's experience with a smaller format system.

So, there are two categories of response that a person might find valuable. One is the anecdotal from those who believe that — in this case — it was worth it for whatever reasons and from those who have considered it and decided against it. Some think it is worth it, and some think it isn't. Not sure how helpful that is, though it does provide a chance to talk it out.

The second category consists of attempts to parse out the actual differences and then help the person figure out what kind of profile they fit. There's quite a bit of experience with that around here, too. Note that this ends up being advice focused on helping the person think through the issues. There's no objectively right or wrong answer, I suppose, but at least it may help a person get "un-stuck."

I know that some folks don't like longer, nuanced answers that might try to balance sometimes competing imperatives. They would rather just hear "the right answer" or the answer they were hoping to hear. It isn't always that simple.





Apr 14, 2024 at 11:40 PM
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I think what becomes relevant in these types of discussions is who did and is glad they did versus who did and was not so happy with it; and then how well they convey their reasoning…

In the end, it is up to the end user to decide what their own priorities are. If I had an infinite photographic budget, I’d have a full complement of Mx, Fx and compact systems and not even blink. I am not able to justify that however, so I make choices based on what I enjoy photographing AND processing out* as my end product; and that narrows my focus to reasonable choices for my situation.

*I enjoy the process of working on good raw files after capture to “finish” them off with the vision I had at capture. I realize many photographers dislike post processing and want to get it all done “in camera.” For the latter group, Mx captue finals are probably going to be less impressive when compared to smaller formats…



Apr 15, 2024 at 09:33 AM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
Two thoughts on the just take a chance and go for it notion.

1. Yes. But also no. I have also taken chances on things and ended up finding something extremely positive. On the other hand, I've taken chances on things and had the opposite happen. So, I suppose that from the life advice perspective it is fine and sometimes even good to just take a chance. Hell, I've given that advice to my own kids more than once. But I've also advised them against it. You see, even the question of whether to "just go for it" is contextual.

2. I'm
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Dan, it's a freaking camera, not a life choice. If it doesn't work out you sell it, call it a rental and move on but at least you made a decision, and if you sit on the sidelines you'll never really know.




Apr 15, 2024 at 11:58 AM
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Imagine how many amazing images Dan would have posted over the last 5 years with his GFX if he had just bought one instead of endlessly and lustfully waxing about them and then talking himself out of it


Apr 15, 2024 at 01:04 PM
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Imagine how many amazing images Dan would have posted over the last 5 years...


About the same number of photographs have created with the Canon and Fujifilm gear I have. (I've posted a new daily photograph for the past two decades at https://gdanmitchell.com/ ...)




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Apr 15, 2024 at 01:48 PM
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I hope Dan and Scott having a small off-topic argument in every Fuji related thread is something that we can celebrate at the end of the year at least? Kind of like a Spotify Wrapped per se.
Anyway, that's enough internet for one day.



Apr 15, 2024 at 01:55 PM
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lifef8 wrote:
I hope Dan and Scott having a small off-topic argument in every Fuji related thread is something that we can celebrate at the end of the year at least? Kind of like a Spotify Wrapped per se.
Anyway, that's enough internet for one day.


Good point. I'm going back to delete most of my reply to Scott.

Thanks.



Apr 15, 2024 at 01:58 PM
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lifef8 wrote:
I hope Dan and Scott having a small off-topic argument in every Fuji related thread is something that we can celebrate at the end of the year at least? Kind of like a Spotify Wrapped per se.
Anyway, that's enough internet for one day.


I hid them both so I don't have to bear witness to it.



Apr 15, 2024 at 02:04 PM
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mdude85 wrote:
I hid them both so I don't have to bear witness to it.


Only one of them is the only person on my Hide list, but maybe you did the right thing.



Apr 15, 2024 at 02:08 PM
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I appreciate both of their inputs. I don’t care for the bickering between them, but that’s easy to ignore — and worth it for the meat they each bring to the discussion.


Apr 15, 2024 at 02:19 PM
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Only on FM would "you only live once, buy what you are interested in" be construed as bickering


Apr 15, 2024 at 02:27 PM
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DELETED, my mistake


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Apr 15, 2024 at 02:42 PM
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Maybe I do need to put you on ignore Scott, I compliment you and you take the low road, WTF? Your exchange with Dan above was way more than, "you only live once, buy what you are interested in." I actually agreed with that comment...


I wasn't replying to you, if that helps you!

And no, my "exchange", if you want to call a single post that, wasn't any more than that. Dan has been GFX-curious for half a decade. Life is short and if you're able to, do it! I didn't say Dan's photography was worse off for not jumping, now did I? That would have been rude and uncalled for (and unsubstantiated to boot!).



Apr 15, 2024 at 03:44 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
I wasn't replying to you, if that helps you!

And no, my "exchange", if you want to call a single post that, wasn't any more than that. Dan has been GFX-curious for half a decade. Life is short and if you're able to, do it! I didn't say Dan's photography was worse off for not jumping, now did I? That would have been rude and uncalled for (and unsubstantiated to boot!).


Sorry Scott, my bad. I made the classic mistake of "assuming" when you used the word "bickering" and I had used it directly above that. All good. I do appreciate the information in your posts.




Apr 15, 2024 at 04:01 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
I wasn't replying to you, if that helps you!

And no, my "exchange", if you want to call a single post that, wasn't any more than that. Dan has been GFX-curious for half a decade. Life is short and if you're able to, do it! I didn't say Dan's photography was worse off for not jumping, now did I? That would have been rude and uncalled for (and unsubstantiated to boot!).


I think the point was that no one will ever know if it would have made a difference and that one can never know until you make the personal comparison.




Apr 15, 2024 at 04:16 PM
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Peter Figen wrote:
I think the point was that no one will ever know if it would have made a difference and that one can never know until you make the personal comparison.



I make that point daily in many threads on FM



Apr 15, 2024 at 04:17 PM
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No format is “the best” photographically. Each has a different set of pluses and minuses, aka compromises. GFX has distinct pluses and minuses.

It is not necessary to try every thing in order to make valid comparisons. One value of FM is that people learn whether or not it will make sense to invest in trying something. Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

I have tried a GFX system, and some friends/colleagues use it. There are aspects that are appropriate for my photography and aspects that constrain my photography. I’ve written that if that latter are addressed I might adopt it.

Regarding “whining” and my photography, a number of my photographs could not have made (or made as well) using GFX, but there are fewer where the opposite is true of the system as a whole.

YMMV.



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