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p.1 #1 · Worth it to Upgrade from Fujifilm X to GFX Series for Landscapes?


Have you moved from shooting landscapes with the Fujifilm X series to the GFX? If so, what has this experience been like? Are you happy with the results that you are getting in relation to the extra money that you've spent to build out your kit? Do you still shoot with the X series for certain occasions? I'm curious to hear from those who have upgraded to the GFX, why they did so and how it has worked out, and especially if it was for landscape work.

I've been shooting the Fujifilm X series since acquiring the X100S in 2013. I've loved shooting Fujifilm and owned many of the lenses and camera variants. What initially attracted me to Fujifilm was the more analog feel of the cameras, the colors straight out of camera and the smaller kit that I could carry into more candid situations. I've realized, however, that if I'm going to carry lenses like the XF 16-55mm f/2.8 and the XF 8-16mm f/2.8, I'm using large enough gear that I might as well compare them to other options like full frame and GFX offerings. I'm only pursuing photography as a hobby these days but want to focus more on opportunities to do landscape work in the near future.

I recently acquired an X-H2 to see what it would be like to shoot with the bigger grip and with the 40 megapixel sensor. Currently, I'm comparing this experience to shooting with the GFX 100S and trying to decide which one to keep or if the best solution is to just own them both. The GFX when I want the highest quality shot and the X-H2 for faster moving situations and when I want to carry a slightly smaller kit. I still want a smaller body too for prime lenses and a more compact carry so if I stick with the GFX, I'll probably still want two X Series bodies to shoot with the rest of the time. For shooting as a hobby, owning three cameras seems a bit overkill but I can see a good purpose for each one of them.

In summary, is the GFX experience worth it for landscape work, despite the extra money invested and weight carried in the kit? The similar color output is what has me thinking primarily about adding the GFX series to the kit instead of another brand (although the additional investment is similar since it's adding an extra set of gear to the kit either way).



Apr 05, 2024 at 12:07 AM
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I have an XT5 and a GFX50S and enjoy them both for different things. I shoot landscape primarily but have different situations for each camera. For me, the easiest way to look at it is the XT5 comes along with me when I'm hiking long hikes with climbing and I don't want a bulky camera. I take the GFX when photography is the purpose, short hikes, possibly with a tripod. I love both cameras and in many situations, there are so similar that its hard to tell which camera took the shot. But if I have the time to set up, compose, and maybe wait for changing light, that when I want the GFX. I take the XT5 on a strap, cross body, usually not in a case. Usually with one or two lenses. With the Gfx, the backpack is my camera kit with anything I might want to use that day. Its definitely higher IQ but at times the difference is tiny.
As for "worth it", that for each of us to judge. If I could only buy one it would be the XT5. I have it with me way more and shoot more with it. I even take it with the GFX for the longer reach telephoto when needed. But I really like having both.
I have not invested in the larger X lenses like the 8-16 and 16-55 since the XT5 is my light kit. But I can understand why someone would do that over the Gfx route. I can't see going to 3 bodies unless I decide to go X100 at some point. I'm not getting younger or stronger.



Apr 05, 2024 at 01:31 AM
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I went from being a long time Canon shooter, shooting primarily 5DSR bodies for a variety of types of images from people to product to landscape and architecture and in the last two years have move almost entirely to the GFX system with two GFX100s bodies and one GFX100II body, and for virtually all the types of shooting I do, landscape included, there is simply no comparison to the GFX cameras. The GF lenses are great and so are so many of the other lenses you can easily adapt to the camera, plus the tonal range, color and sheer detail in the raw files (I never shoot jpegs ever) and how they process in Capture One is unparalleled. I'm shooting landscapes with a range of focal lengths from 20mm through 500mm and the cameras perform very well. Since you're already familiar with the Fuji ecosystem, you'll adapt much faster than I did to the overly complex menu systems, and while the cameras are not perfect - like only a 1/125th flash sync speed and more shutter release lag time than the smaller cameras, all of that can be overcome to produce some of the most stunning images you've ever made. I do not take my Canons with me anywhere anymore and just suck it up and travel not so light.


Apr 05, 2024 at 02:10 AM
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p.1 #4 · Worth it to Upgrade from Fujifilm X to GFX Series for Landscapes?


Anything is better than X for shooting landscapes thanks to the X-Trans sensor's poor handling of foliage detail.

You are in that in-between zone where you're realizing that having good lenses for landscape is pushing your kit size well beyond the size that makes Fuji special and you're not getting the higher IQ for your troubles. This is where smaller options from other brands come into view, specifically Nikon (Z7ii, arguably the best FF MILC landscape camera) and Sony (A7R3-A7R5).

I would look into investing in a small landscape-only kit in that direction before lugging GFX around just to do it. The IQ differences between the FF and 50mp GFX options are close enough where the size and heft of the GFX gear doesn't make sense. You have to step up to the 100mp GFX options to get something really unique and obviously better from an IQ perspective.



Apr 05, 2024 at 08:43 AM
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p.1 #5 · Worth it to Upgrade from Fujifilm X to GFX Series for Landscapes?


On the plus side for X-Trans, there is no aliasing or false detail. X-Trans 40mp APS-C files at the pixel level look similar to a CMOS sensor with a mild AA filter. The 40mp X-Trans files from my X100VI can accept a lot of sharpening in Capture One if that look of false detail from modern AA-free CMOS sensors is appealing.

If it does come down to deciding between 35mm and 44x33, and the system size is not an issue, choose the image ratio you prefer. The 4:3 ratio of the GFX files is one of the things I like most about it. Yes, you can crop 3:2 35mm images to 4:3, but that's a noticeable loss in image area, and it increases the advantage of moving up to the 44x33. But if you prefer 3:2, the opposite is true. If you have no preference either way and would use either format in its native ratio, it's a more difficult decision.

Either 35mm or 44x33 can be large or small kits, so I wouldn't let systems size sway you too much. It really depends on how wide and how long you want to shoot. Super wide and long telephoto are better handled by 35mm systems.



Apr 05, 2024 at 09:12 AM
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Agree with Scott above. However, going to the 100 MP gfx sensor gives you about the best landscape file you can achieve. If your budget puts that out of reach, then I agree that a Z7 and a few of the better Z lenses will give you nearly the same net landscape quality as 50MP MFD, and in a smaller, more convenient package.


Apr 05, 2024 at 09:16 AM
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Usually when I'm out with both cameras I use the GFX for stuff like candids, portraits, landscapes. X series is for faster moving things and birds because GFX seems like it's never going to be a reach system. Mainly got the 100S because I wasn't exactly liking the output of the XH2S in the studio with the 33 1.4 (studio didn't seem like this lenses strong point period). Got the 100S with the 80 1.7 and it very quickly became my preferred studio setup, even surpassing my Z mount set up. I can use the XH2 for this stuff, but the 100S and the GFX lenses just feel more consistent. So basically if I had to do it again I feel like I would've just almost been better off not buying X mount again and just going straight to GFX, but it really depends on what I'm shooting.


Apr 05, 2024 at 09:20 AM
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I will only add that there is a certain “je ne sais quoi” to using an MF cam for landscape (or architectural) work that doesn’t exist in smaller cameras. Hard to put a finger on unless you’ve done it, but it’s there — and enough other photographers I know have relayed similar feelings for me to accept it.

Assume working off a tripod with best practices capture techniques and then careful post processing, and you’re rewarded with a file that rivals the best we got in 4x5 film days.

You don’t need a big kit either. I could happily head to Yosemite right now with just the 100s, 32-64, tripod, cable release and 10-stop nd filter and spend the entire weekend clicking away. (But full disclosure is I’d have the 20-35 and 45-100 in the bag too just in case )



Apr 05, 2024 at 10:08 AM
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p.1 #9 · Worth it to Upgrade from Fujifilm X to GFX Series for Landscapes?


justandyphoto wrote:
In summary, is the GFX experience worth it for landscape work, despite the extra money invested and weight carried in the kit? The similar color output is what has me thinking primarily about adding the GFX series to the kit instead of another brand (although the additional investment is similar since it's adding an extra set of gear to the kit either way).


I photograph a lot of landscape subjects — it is the largest percentage of my photography. I print. I do not shoot with a GFX system, though I have used one and I’ve contemplated getting one for years. I have photographer colleagues who do use GFX and more who don’t. (If you are aligned with what I might call the “West Coast Landscape School,” you know of the people I’m talking about.)

There is no question that the GFX system can be an outstanding choice for landscape photography. The larger sensor of the miniMF system has the potential produce very high levels of image quality and detail, and it supports printing quite large.

But it has both pluses and minuses by comparison to the option of using a non-Fujifilm full-frame system, and the interplay of those issues is something you should consider in the context of your own photography and from a very objective, practical perspective.

Does the system provide the lens options that you prefer to use? GFX lenses are generally excellent, and Fujifilm has increased the number and variety of them that are available, but do they cover the kinds of photography that you do? A good staring point might be to consider what you rely on with your x-trans system and then look to see how (or if) you would cover those needs with the GFX.

While the image quality potential of the Fujifilm miniMF format is even higher than that of full-frame… full frame is also extremely good. Let’s say that the GFX system has some liabilities for you — potentially price, size/weight, lens availability, slower operation. The question becomes whether the advantages of the GFX — things like extremely high system resolution — will have a more meaningful effect on your photography than those potential downsides.

Let’s say that you are a person regularly selling/licensing quite large prints on the order of 30” x 40”, and that you generally work from the tripod and are a very skillful post-processor, and that you don’t need some of the lens options that are difficult or impossible to find for GFX. The pluses of the GFX system could be significant for you and you may well be among those who find it to be the very best current option.

But let’s say that you don’t primarily and regularly produce/sell such large prints*, or perhaps that you will still need lenses and accessories not readily available for the GFX, and/or that you tend to shoot handheld (thus diminishing the advantages of the very high resolution of the GFX system). It is quite likely that one or another excellent full frame system might be more useful to you and that you’d get truly excellent photographic quality from it. (It is even possible that you would not see a significant advantage from the full frame system over your XH2 for the photography you do. You can make a surprisingly large and excellent print from these 40MP raw files.)

GFX is excellent, but not for all tings. As always with photographic gear, it is more of a question of what works best for the photography that you do than it is a question of what is The Very Best Thing.

Also, the question of whether the “experience” is worth it is going to vary a lot. It is quite subjective once you start trying to analyze the “experience” instead of the more objective pluses/minuses of various options in the context of the photography you do.

Good luck.

Dan

* More on print size. A contemporary full frame system with good lenses and used competently can produce excellent 30”. 40” prints and larger. Used competently, your 40MP XH2 will have no problem producing first-class 20” x 30” prints and can go larger.

One more thing based on your final comments about “overkill” and shooting for a hobby: It is easy to succumb to the combination of “I must have the very best thing” and “I must have the very best thing for every possible photographic subject.” That’s a dangerous road to embark on. No matter what you do (or buy) you will never have the perfect solution for all photographic possibilities… and even if you imagine that you could cover all of those potentials, the mass of gear you’d be carting around would end up interfering and you would lose shots. Most people in your situation might look for a single system that covers most everything they will actually do with good quality. There are, in fact, full frame systems that provide excellent image quality, good speed, reasonable size, an outstanding range of lenses, and which work very well for your landscape photography. If you want a second system that is smaller — for example for travel — rather than jumping on the XH2 (a fine but larger camera) you might consider something smaller and lighter from Fujifilm.

FWIW, my own choice has been to use a Canon full frame system for almost all of my landscape and similar photography, and to use a Fujifilm XT5-based system for photography where smaller and lighter gear is useful. Either system can serve as a backup to the other when I carry both.

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Apr 05, 2024 at 10:13 AM
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The GFX is going to deliver superior tonality, resolution and sharpness compared to an X series camera, but I suspect deep down the question is whether this camera is going to make you a better photographer. The answer is, probably no. Keep the gear you have, continue exploring your style and your techniques, and invest the money in something more worthwhile (a vacation, medical bills, saving for a child's education, things like that -- in 20 years you're not going to look back at your photos and wish that a tree 1000 feet away from where you were standing had better foliage detail).

I'd reconsider the lens choices. You're right that the 16-55 and 8-16 are both big, expensive lenses for the X system. You're carrying around full-frame sized lenses, without the full-frame benefit.

Take a look at the sigma 18-50 f2.8 and the Sigma 10-18 f2.8. They're both substantially smaller, lighter and less expensive than the Fuji versions you have, with no meaningful depreciation in quality.




Apr 05, 2024 at 11:31 AM
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The OP currently shoots the X system so he probably has his opinions on that already. Personally I've never experienced poor handling of foliage detail but I've never used older X sensors. And maybe that's not a detail that I seek. Anyway, I think it is true that FF is the most versatile single setup to have compared to other single body setups. But it won't be a compact as a X with a smaller lens and few push the qualities that Gfx does well. So you can make a case for both or not. I do love the Fuji rendering of color regardless of system and I think there are similarities between them.


Apr 05, 2024 at 12:45 PM
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I have the X-H2 and some good quality Fujifilm and Viltrox lenses for it. The 40 mp sensor is a significant improvement in detail rendering / resolution over the earlier X-trans sensors, IMO.

I also shoot the original GFX 100 and GFX 100II and a full suite of prime and zoom GF lenses.

The GFX 100X cameras a very far above any X-trans sensor, especially for landscape work. I’d not bother considering any of the 50 mp sensor GFX cameras, as there are better choices in 24x36mm miniature film format cameras that have IQ on par and are much faster handling with much more robust choices in lenses.

Fujifilm calls their 33x44 102 mp sensor Large Format. Not because is it literally a large format (4x5” and larger) but because the results are equivalent to 4x5 “at least.” Some find this descriptor laughable, but I don’t. I can see the rationale for it (beyond marketing hype). Call it whatever you want, but it is significantly superior to 24x36 “miniature film format” and “half frame” sub-miniature format.

I think the real question is whether you print or not, (or have prints made) and how large? If you don’t print and your output goes to social media or other screen based final output, the GFX is massive overkill. Its size, weight, speed etc. make it more cumbersome in general to work with, with absolutely ZERO benefit in “screen based output” use-cases, unless you jam is looking at everything at 200% on screen.

For portability, speed etc., the X-H2 feels “tiny and fast” compared to my GFX 100x cameras. For any kind of action, candid portraits, etc., the 40mp is plenty good enough for normal print sizes up to 16x20 and even 20x30. It’s almost comical when, after using the GFX system for a few weeks, to pick up the X-H2.

Rand




Apr 05, 2024 at 03:09 PM
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Rand47 wrote:
Fujifilm calls their 33x44 102 mp sensor Large Format.


No they don't. Go read a Fuji product webpage.



Apr 05, 2024 at 03:11 PM
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Rand47 wrote:
Fujifilm calls their 33x44 102 mp sensor Large Format. Not because is it literally a large format (4x5” and larger) but because the results are equivalent to 4x5 “at least.” Some find this descriptor laughable, but I don’t. I can see the rationale for it (beyond marketing hype). Call it whatever you want, but it is significantly superior to 24x36 “miniature film format” and “half frame” sub-miniature format.



Fuji uses the term large format to simply mean larger than full-frame. In their advertising materials they use large format and medium format interchangeably, which is what most people do these days (because traditional terms differentiating large format from medium format film stock are not that relevant to digital photography).




Apr 05, 2024 at 03:23 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
No they don't. Go read a Fuji product webpage.


https://fujifilm-x.com/global/products/cameras/gfx100/



Apr 05, 2024 at 04:15 PM
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One more thing nobody has touched on yet, and that is shooting mono. *IF* this is something you do, then having a true 14 or 16 bit capture device (as opposed to 12-bit -- and IDK what the Fuji X systems do) *along with* both bigger and more pixels, you will render a cleaner and smoother tonality throughout the image.


Apr 05, 2024 at 06:03 PM
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Rand47 wrote:
Fujifilm calls their 33x44 102 mp sensor Large Format. Not because is it literally a large format (4x5” and larger) but because the results are equivalent to 4x5 “at least.” Some find this descriptor laughable, but I don’t. I can see the rationale for it (beyond marketing hype). Call it whatever you want, but it is significantly superior to 24x36 “miniature film format” and “half frame” sub-miniature format.


First off, I agree with the point you made in the paragraph after the one I quoted — basically asking the OP to consider the same questions that others here have posed about whether or not the potential of the GFX system will actualy benefit this photographer.

But to your point in the section that you quoted. While I do not think that this is the reason that Fujifilm has used the term “large format” to describe the 33x44 sensor format — and I think that using a term that already has a well-understood and different meaning is a poor choice — I do ]b]lnot think that your point about the quality of the miniMF format is “laughable” at all.

A friend of mine was a large format (the film kind) photographer for decades. He’s pretty well known — a regular at the Ansel Adams Gallery. In the early 2000s when the first medium format (larger than miniMF) systems were coming out — typically digital backs from people like Phase One, attached to film MF cameras — he began to test their performance against his full frame results. He was impressed, but initially thought that the digital backs were not quite as good, but he kept testing. A few years later his tests convinced him that those Phase One backs were producing a level of quality at least comparable to what he was getting from scanned 4x5 film. At that point he switched. (If you can still find the older articles at the Luminous Landscape site, you may find his articles about this there.)

After some years his Phase One back developed problems, and the cost of repairing/replacing was daunting. So he did some testing of the Pentax 645z and decided that he could get results from it that were indistinguishable from those from the slightly larger Phase One back. (At the time he would show up at our print reviews with sample test shots and prints from both sources, hand them out, and ask us to evaluate. While they were not identical, there was no agreement that one was better than the other.) He left the Phase One system behind and moved to the Pentax.

And then the GFX system came out and he moved again, this time to a GFX 50s initially and later to the first 100MP model. (I haven’t discussed this with him for a while, but the last time we talked about it he had moved back to the 50MP format.)

So, there’s plenty of evidence that we can get photographic results equivalent to (though not identical to) large format film from the 33x44 sensor format. It isn’t “large format” any more than it is “medium format,” in the context in which we’ve used those terms for decades, but it is quite good. (I wish they had just called it “33x44” or even “3344” format. I like miniMF because… that is what it is! :-) )

Of course, if you extrapolate from that a bit, it is also true that we can get results equivalent to old school film medium format (or better) from full frame…

… and equivalent to or slightly better than 35mm from APS-C. (Though I’d rate it as significantly better than 35mm film, having shot both a lot.)

Dan

(I think the whole idea of calling the 33x44 format “medium format” can be traced to Pentax. Actually, Leica had been producing cameras with a similar size sensor with a 3:2 aspect ratio that they did not call medium format. But when Pentax brought out there mis-named 645d and 645z cameras, the impression was created that these were 645 format cameras. They were not. Their sensor size was and is roughly midway between full—frame/35mm and the film 645 format, which was the smallest common “medium” format, with nominal dimensions of 45 x 60cm. The “real” medium formats were things like 6x6cm, 6x7cm, 6x9cm, and even wider.



Apr 05, 2024 at 06:17 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
No they don't. Go read a Fuji product webpage.


Yes they do. Go read a Fuji product webpage.

“MORE THAN FULL FRAME”

“New beginnings don’t start with taking new steps, they start with moving in
new directions. And every new GFX System camera has taken a
direction that has redefined what it means to be More Than Full Frame.


“From its unparalleled image quality, to its overall mobility,
the boundaries of large format imaging have continually been
reimagined with every new iteration.”

“GFX100 II continues this tradition by bringing unprecedented high-speed
performance, expanded video capabilities, and lightning fast autofocus to
a growing list of accolades that professionals
everywhere have come to rely on from GFX System cameras.”

“If it’s time to find some direction,
discover one to new opportunities with GFX100 II.”


This page for the GFX 100s uses the term, too:

”As photographers, we strive for perfection,
constantly searching for the highest image quality and optimum control in what we create.
GFX100S combines these two invaluable attributes in one remarkably compact and lightweight body.
It is an imaging tool like no other; a new generation of large format camera to suit a new generation of creatives.

“The 102-megapixel large format sensor works in harmony with G Mount lenses to produce images with
incredible details, beautifully smooth gradations, and wonderfully accurate colors,
all while ensuring that you are at the center of your creative universe.
There’s honestly no better way to realize your vision.

“GFX100S is not full-frame. It is so much more than that.


These are not the only examples. Over the years the term has popped up regularly in their marketing materials.

At some point in the past, I recall seeing them refer to 33x44 as super full frame, which I kind of liked!


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Apr 05, 2024 at 06:30 PM
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Rand47 wrote:
I’d not bother considering any of the 50 mp sensor GFX cameras, as there are better choices in 24x36mm miniature film format cameras that have IQ on par and are much faster handling with much more robust choices in lenses.

I get your point but starting with a used Gfx50 is a low cost entry into MF mirrorless, probably the lowest cost possible. Since it uses the same lenses as any Gfx, I can get the lenses I want and upgrade bodies later if desired. And a chance to see if MF is for me.



Apr 05, 2024 at 07:17 PM
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Yeah but. For half the price you can get a Z7 and lenses and have essentially the same net image quality and better AF.

SGinNorcal wrote:
I get your point but starting with a used Gfx50 is a low cost entry into MF mirrorless, probably the lowest cost possible. Since it uses the same lenses as any Gfx, I can get the lenses I want and upgrade bodies later if desired. And a chance to see if MF is for me.




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