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So I have been contemplating my travel needs in terms of camera gear and I am curious to hear some options / opinions of other people.

I almost exclusively travel with my wife and two kids (1 and 3 years old). So as you can imagine priorities are never photography only. But I do often wake up before the family wakes up and go out during sunrise / golden hour for some photography by myself. And sometimes I am out taking photos during sunset / golden hour. During harsh light / daytime I always leave the photo gear in the hotel and just use my iPhone 15 Pro for photos. It serves me well.

I have sold my Sony A7C recently because I've been eyeing the new options that were released. Gear I do still have:
- Fujifilm X100 VI
- Tamron 20-40mm f2.8
- Sony 40mm f2.5 G

When travelling we mostly visit cities and / or national parks where we do some hiking. Therefore I don't want or have a camera backpack filled with gear and I think I want to minimise to a body + lens attached and perhaps a second lens. I will also not carry a tripod so my photos are always handheld or I find something in the location to stabilise my camera. My shooting style is photos of cities / landmarks (upcoming New York City trip), landscapes during hiking and photos of my family and kids growing up. I think my favourite focal lengths are 35 / 40mm for most occasions and between 20mm and 24mm for landscape shots. For photos of my family I like the 75mm / 85mm range.

What I am contemplating:

Option 1:
- Sony A7CR
- Tamron 20-40mm f2.8 or perhaps trade that one in for the Sony 20-70mm f4?
- Sigma 90mm f2.8 / Samyang 75mm f1.8

Option 2:
- Sony A7CR
- Sony 24mm f2.8 G or perhaps Sigma 24mm f3.5?
- Sony 40mm f2.5 G

Option 3:
- Sony A6700
- Sony 16-55 f2.8

Option 4:
- Sony A6700
- Sigma 18-55 f2.8
- Sigma 10-18 f2.8

Option 5:
- Sony RX100 VII 24-200mm
- Fujifilm X100 VI

My priorities are:
1. Weight and bulk savings
2. Photo quality doesn't have to be the best of the best. But good enough to handle handheld golden hour shooting without iso overload
3. Cost



Mar 12, 2024 at 03:38 AM
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I'm a similar kind of photographer to you (minus kids but traveling with less photography-minded people).

With your current gear it seems to make sense to get an A7CR/CII.

I had the Tamron 20-40mm paired with the Samyang 75mm which made for an excellent hiking combo and the Samyang is great too. The Tamron took 90% of the shots. I did recently sell it in favor of the Sony 20-70mm because I prefer to have a day lens and a night lens.

With option 2 I think you're just going to be a nuisance to your family for switching lenses all the time



Mar 12, 2024 at 05:02 AM
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The iPhone 15 Pro, as you know, is quite capable. You already have an excellent and portable, family-friendly camera in the X100 VI that could be an every-day carry or be taken along when you were expecting a bit more photography. You could add the A6700 and an excellent but still compact zoom (plus a small flash) for photo-centric occasions and be done with it.

FWIW, I juggle a few prime lenses, but my family is very tolerant and well past the toddler stage. Also FWIW, I prefer to use a Ricoh GR IIIX (in lieu of the somewhat larger Fuji X100 or a phone), but my wife really likes her iPhone 15 Pro.



Mar 12, 2024 at 09:40 AM
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rickvenema wrote:
So I have been contemplating my travel needs in terms of camera gear and I am curious to hear some options / opinions of other people.

I almost exclusively travel with my wife and two kids (1 and 3 years old). So as you can imagine priorities are never photography only. But I do often wake up before the family wakes up and go out during sunrise / golden hour for some photography by myself. And sometimes I am out taking photos during sunset / golden hour. During harsh light / daytime I always leave the photo gear in the
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Given your priorities., I would pick the A7CR + Tamron 28-200 + an ultrawide (I am partial to the CV 15). It's not heavy given the remarkable focal length range and gives you tons of image quality plus convenience of no lens changes needed in most situations. You can add a fast prime if you like when needed.

Smaller and lighter, I think one of the APS-C bodies with the 18-135 would be great. IQ is also very good, but it's smaller and lighter than the A7CR + 28-200.

I like the RX100 series, but IQ isn't much of a step up over your iPhone 15.

You have a lot of intermediate-speed lenses listed, I don't think you'll get much advantage from those over lenses like the 28-200. I either put on a fast prime (f/1 to f/2) or am content with a slower zoom.



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Mar 12, 2024 at 10:00 AM
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I very recently added the OM-1 Mark II & 12-40 f2.8 (24-80 mm FF equivalent) to my Sony kit (A7III and A1). An impressive feature of this system is the 8.5 stops of IS. In my hands, I can shoot low light scenes with SS as long as 2 s, handheld! This virtually eliminates the need for a tripod. The AF is very fast and the subject recognition is accurate. The 20.4 MP sensor of this camera is special in that the entire sensor can be used for AF and it takes 1/120 s to read. There are well developed computational features, e.g handheld 50 MP high-res shooting, in-camera ND and graduated ND filters, in-camera stacking, etc.
This might be a option to consider for your travel photography needs.



Mar 12, 2024 at 10:33 AM
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I’m very happy with the 20-70 / A7RV pairing to minimize lens changes but keep the wide end that I value. Add a small fair prime for night/low light and no bag needed.

Just a spare battery in a pocket - all set. Liberating.

I would echo @ruthenium’s comment on the m4/3 option. Just added an OM-1 to the kit.along with the positively tiny 12-45 F4 Pro. Neat little setup if 24mm FF equivalent is wide enough for you. Not a ton of extra pixels for cropping like the A7CR or RV but pretty good reach in a compact form.



Mar 12, 2024 at 11:03 AM
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options overload, I have most of the gear in question,
what I like out of your options:

3/4. really nice combo, dead simple
5. the rx100 7 is a super camera with a super flaw, the battery life. if you can live with that, this would be a good one. if only this lineup were more supported, I would have less FF cameras, less invested.
1. I use the 20-40 over the 20-70 for travel, however, if you can handle the weight and bulk, then the 20-70 is the more complete lens IMO. Sigma 90 is great too, but you can see out of these options, that this is one of the heavier setups, granted it's not that big and heavy, but it will be noticeably larger than the smaller sensors.
2. Prime only would annoy me, however it is a small setup, and you might be ok with it.



Mar 12, 2024 at 11:44 AM
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1 TRUE pocketable camera : ricoh gr 28 or 40 mm
1 FF a7c + 40/50 mm prime

Depending of the venue, leave at hotel or prick Tamron 28-200 and / or 21 mm prime (cv 3.5 is pocketable)



Mar 12, 2024 at 11:51 AM
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I run with the sigma 45 an cv21, been eyeing the sigma 90. However I think what I'm going to do is replace the cv21 with sigma 24 3.5 and then add Sony 18-135 instead of sigma 90. The 18-135 has decent IQ and should much more versatile than the 90. All are 55mm filters too I believe.


Mar 12, 2024 at 11:59 AM
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Both Option 1 and 4 look good. The 20-40 is still bulkly in my book, let alone 20-70. Or you could do A7CR+Samyang 35/1.8 (or Sony 28-60 kit lens), with a Viltrox 20/2.8 and Samyang 75/1.8 in your pockets/bag. The lenses are all feather weight.

You can go lighter by limiting yourself, say, just bring a X100VI. Occasionally stitch 2-3 shots together to get the wide landscape, or crop to 70mm for tighter portraits.



Mar 12, 2024 at 12:08 PM
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moncho wrote:
I'm a similar kind of photographer to you (minus kids but traveling with less photography-minded people).

With your current gear it seems to make sense to get an A7CR/CII.

I had the Tamron 20-40mm paired with the Samyang 75mm which made for an excellent hiking combo and the Samyang is great too. The Tamron took 90% of the shots. I did recently sell it in favor of the Sony 20-70mm because I prefer to have a day lens and a night lens.

With option 2 I think you're just going to be a nuisance to your family for switching lenses all the time
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Thanks. If the Tamron took care of 90% of the shots. What made you switch to the 20-70mm? Any regrets on that decision?

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lightskyland wrote:
Given your priorities., I would pick the A7CR + Tamron 28-200 + an ultrawide (I am partial to the CV 15). It's not heavy given the remarkable focal length range and gives you tons of image quality plus convenience of no lens changes needed in most situations. You can add a fast prime if you like when needed.

Smaller and lighter, I think one of the APS-C bodies with the 18-135 would be great. IQ is also very good, but it's smaller and lighter than the A7CR + 28-200.

I like the RX100 series, but IQ isn't much of a step up
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Thanks for the suggestions!

I've looked at the Tamron 28-200 again and have previously owned that lens. Amazing travel lens. But I found it too bulky and I never have used it above 135mm. And almost 90% of my shots are under 85mm.

Therefore the 18-135mm is also something that will not work for me because I've found that 27 / 28 is not wide enough and 200mm not needed.

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ruthenium wrote:
I very recently added the OM-1 Mark II & 12-40 f2.8 (24-80 mm FF equivalent) to my Sony kit (A7III and A1). An impressive feature of this system is the 8.5 stops of IS. In my hands, I can shoot low light scenes with SS as long as 2 s, handheld! This virtually eliminates the need for a tripod. The AF is very fast and the subject recognition is accurate. The 20.4 MP sensor of this camera is special in that the entire sensor can be used for AF and it takes 1/120 s to read. There are well developed
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Thanks for thinking outside of the box with other options! Those features sound amazing. It seems that the camera body is the heaviest on the list with 599g and with the 12-40 f2.8 I will also not lose a lot of bulk compared to FF options. Size weight will be similar to the A7CR with the 20-70mm f4.



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foto16 wrote:
Both Option 1 and 4 look good. The 20-40 is still bulkly in my book, let alone 20-70. Or you could do A7CR+Samyang 35/1.8 (or Sony 28-60 kit lens), with a Viltrox 20/2.8 and Samyang 75/1.8 in your pockets/bag. The lenses are all feather weight.

You can go lighter by limiting yourself, say, just bring a X100VI. Occasionally stitch 2-3 shots together to get the wide landscape, or crop to 70mm for tighter portraits.


Thanks. Food for thought indeed. I do find the 20-40mm a little bulky sometimes. But it's okay because I use it for two of my most used focal ranges being 20/24 ish and 35/40mm ish.

If I would be certain the 20-70mm f4 would perform really good in low light / golden hour landscape shots handheld. I could see myself only bringing an A7CR + 20-70mm f4.



Mar 12, 2024 at 01:38 PM
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Sony A7CII/R
Sony 16-35mm f4 PZ
+ a small prime for low light and portraits (Samyang 45mm f1.8, Zeiss Sonnar 55mm f1.8 or similar).

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Mar 12, 2024 at 02:18 PM
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rickvenema wrote:
When travelling we mostly visit cities and / or national parks where we do some hiking. Therefore I don't want or have a camera backpack filled with gear and I think I want to minimise to a body + lens attached and perhaps a second lens. I will also not carry a tripod so my photos are always handheld or I find something in the location to stabilise my camera. My shooting style is photos of cities / landmarks (upcoming New York City trip), landscapes during hiking and photos of my family and kids growing up. I think my favourite
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I might add a #4, not necessarily keeping the same order. "Limit lens swapping?"

I find the 18-135 and 28-200 are almost always well suited to my "walking" travel. Some don't find they want or need the reach to 200mm. For casual (as in perfection in lens and image quality can be traded for convenience, cost and weight savings) use, I want the reach to 200mm and the superzoom means I don't need to buy or carry or swap to a 70-200 or similar lens.

I already had either a 17-28/2.8 ff wide zoom or wide fast primes for my aps-c when the 20-70/4 and Tamron 17-50/4 and 20-70/2.8 lenses came along. (There isn't a comparable aps-c lens at least in Sony mount that i know of.) 28mm is not always wide enough but for my California travel, I only infrequently "need" to go with the wider lenses. However, dense urban environments, like "the old city" historic areas, big cities, museums, cathedrals, etc., the wides come out and go on.

Any of those 3 wider zooms might make a better urban walk around lens than the 17-28 simply because 40, 50 or 70mm are likely going to reduce the need to swap to the longer lens at least some.

For me, my limited experience has been that I'm not sure 20mm would be wide enough. You have the 20-40 and maybe adding in the 28-200 would do it. I don't know enough about the 17-50/4 when it comes to image quality to suggest it. and either it or the 20-70/4 is buying two lenses instead of just one with the 28-200. sometimes stitching can be a help to go wider, too.

With the A7CR, at 60mp, there is a lot of available crop space. Consider that the 17-28/2.8 if cropped, can be a 42mm angle of view at the same 26mp you'd have if using the A6700. The 20-40 could crop to a 60mm angle of view so considering cost, convenience, etc., the 20-40 you have may work well for you.

I find that with "noise reduction" features in post processing programs like Lightroom, DxO and Topaz products, I've been able to do pretty well in lower light situations. Of course, if trying for things like light trails from cars, etc., a tripod or other solid support is needed for that kind or exposure length.

I have both aps-c and relatively recently (in my age terms ) added ff gear. There is an advantage to the larger ff sensor. But it's not as big a deal as some will propose. Aps-c can be less expensive, lighter and smaller. Of course it depends on specific choices just which trades one makes.

Cost? Aps-c is probably a clear winner here. The a6700 kitted with the 18-135 is substantially less expensive than an A7CR and 28-200. Smaller and lighter too.

The A7CR has 60mp and is ff but the added resolution can be very useful. I don't think it is enough to completely do away with longer focal length lenses.

I'd probably choose the 18-50/2.8 Sigma over the Sony 16-55/2.8. The 16mm vs 18mm is like 24mm vs 28mm in ff. Definitely wider but neither might be wide enough. The Sony is somewhat heavier and more expensive. It's a very good lens, though. But that's in choosing in aps-c vs choosing against ff. I'd want longer, too.

The 28-200 and A7CR combo has somewhat better image quality than the A6700 and 18-135. You get some aperture advantage to the ff pair. It starts at f2.8, so maybe some shutter speed and shallower depth of field advantages.



Mar 12, 2024 at 02:24 PM
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Re "Thanks for thinking outside of the box with other options! Those features sound amazing. It seems that the camera body is the heaviest on the list with 599g and with the 12-40 f2.8 I will also not lose a lot of bulk compared to FF options. Size weight will be similar to the A7CR with the 20-70mm f4."

Consider adding a fast prime in this case, for taking pictures indoors (e.g. in a restaurant, in a hotel room, when walking around the places at night, and similar).



Mar 12, 2024 at 02:43 PM
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Traveling light is definitely a personal preference when it comes to gear. Not too mention other things come into play. I don't have small kids to take care of, so carrying a bag with a couple compact bodies and lenses is not big deal for me. For others a small body and lens still seem like a lot. I think just about any of the stuff you choose is going to work out great for you. the A7CR is great and you can crop, but I feel in order to do that you have to have a very good lens to pair with that sensor. the 24-240 seems to work well and probably meets your needs. Maybe an all around zoom and pair it with a small prime or two?



Mar 12, 2024 at 02:52 PM
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rickvenema wrote:
Thanks for the suggestions!

I've looked at the Tamron 28-200 again and have previously owned that lens. Amazing travel lens. But I found it too bulky and I never have used it above 135mm. And almost 90% of my shots are under 85mm.

Therefore the 18-135mm is also something that will not work for me because I've found that 27 / 28 is not wide enough and 200mm not needed.



Thanks for your responses!

Now I understand your lens selections better. If you don't like 100-200mm in your photography you certainly don't want to carry the 28-200.

I'd still be tempted by APS-C using something like the Sony 16-55 and an APS-C ultrawide. But if you prefer FF the 20-70 looks pretty fantastic, coupled with a fast-ish prime (maybe 35/2) and an ultrawide.

Sony is a pretty fantastic platform for lens selection in your preferred focal length range, that's for sure.



Mar 12, 2024 at 02:56 PM
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rickvenema wrote:
Thanks. If the Tamron took care of 90% of the shots. What made you switch to the 20-70mm? Any regrets on that decision?


I probably took more 50mm~70mm shots with the 20-40mm than I should, and cropped to avoid the lens switch. Nothing inherently bad with lens switching, but I don't find many 75mm uses in landscape photography that I would switch to the Samyang for one shot and then back again. Meanwhile, nearly all shots were f/5.6 or higher. I decided one 20-70mm would make more sense, and to have a 35mm in the bag for night time so that lens switching would only occur once when the evening hit.

The image quality is quite similar but the feel of the 20-70mm is noticeably larger and heavier on an A7CR. The Tamron balances more nicely. Still, neither lens is particularly heavy.



Mar 12, 2024 at 03:03 PM
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Looks like maybe some crossed posts. I put the 28-200 on my A6400 or A6700 now and then and agree, it's kind of bulky on the smaller body. Others like it. There's a 17-70/4 aps-c and the 24-105/4 ff but neither are svelte.

Also agree, I'd want (and take) something wider than 28mm (or 18mm) unless a casual, repeatable, local trip.

I haven't tried the 20-70/4, just looked at it's interesting focal length range, as with the 17-50/4, also looked but not tried. Sometimes one has to actually get some hands-on time because just looking at pictures or specs doesn't tell how it actually feels to you.

I'm not a big prime user so not sure what might work for you or what to suggest but if you could consider a 3 lens approach, a mid-range of some sort then a wide prime and maybe a longer one, too. some will put a second lens and a battery in a pocket and call it good. But a small "bag" with 2 smaller primes may not be that much more size and weight than a bag with just a second lens?



Mar 12, 2024 at 04:20 PM
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@rickvenema said: “Lightweight Travel Setup Options”

Spent 2 months in each of the last 2 summers traveling in Thailand with my Thai wife of 21 years. She was their because of family, I was there for the photography Took my Olympus EM1.3 with 12-40 f2.8 zoom and 17 f1.2 and 45 f1.2 Olympus Pro primes (34 & 90mm FF equiv.) 2 years ago, then the Sony A7RIV with Tamron 20-40 and 50 f1.4GM and Batis 85 primes last year. So top notch lenses for each system and both setups were excellent, but Sony setup was just a bit too much weight/bulk for everyday carry, so when I got home I thought long and hard about what I would take next time.

I went with your Option 4, the Sony A6700 with the diminutive Sigma 18-50 f2.8 lens as the main zoom, plus added a Sony 15 f1.4 for wide angle and a Sigma 56 f1.4 for my longer portrait prime. All lenses are APS-C and overall a much smaller and lighter kit than before, even vs my M4/3 kit. The A6700 AF is better than either of the 2 other bodies, the newer “AI” AF is so accurate, I now just set the camera to a large zone and let it do the AF, it’s hit rate is about 98%! This last Saturday I took 198 portrait shots, using Human subject detection with Eye Detect activated, with the Sigma 56mm and all but 4 were dead-on accurate and I know on 2 of those I forgot to push the AF-On button to initiate BBF The IQ with these lenses on the new 26MP sensor really shines.

Far as cost this is the least expensive option, my total cost for the A6700 camera and a 3 lens setup @ $2,949 was less than a A7CR alone @$2,999 USD. And each lens takes the same 55mm filter, again saving some cost/weight over multiple filter thread sizes or larger filters sizes.

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