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I recently did a family trip with my A7cR. Took the 28-60, 16-35 pz, and 24 1.4 for evenings. The 28-60 lived on the camera unless it was dark out. Just so easy to pack and a good range for general shooting.

With the options you noted I'd go for option 1. And decide what you'll value more between f/2.8 and the range of the 20-70 f/4.

But- I will say that I think I'd value the wide-angle of the 16-35 pz over the 20-70 for someplace like New York City, then again if you're using your phone for the most part for daylight stuff, maybe the 20-40 2.8 makes more sense to give you that extra stop. I don't think you can go wrong, just gotta decide how you want to utilize the gear.



Mar 12, 2024 at 05:23 PM
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p.2 #2 · Lightweight travel setup options / opinions


I like the APS-C options because the setup is that much smaller and cheaper. I have the A6700 and A7CR. For most day-to-day shooting, I just bring the A6700.

Instead of the 10-18mm + 18-50mm sigma combo, I would suggest
1) 10-18mm + 56mm 1.4 if you favor portraits, or
2) 18-50mm and sony 11mm f1.8 OR 15mm f1.4 if you want a fast wide angle for night photos.
I mentioned these lenses specifically because they are the smallest and lightest in class even when compared to their APS-C equivalents. Just compare the 15mm 1.4 G with any 16mm 1.4 (Sigma, Fuji etc.), or the 18-50mm Sigma with the 16-55mm G or the 17-70mm Tamron. The 11mm 1.8 is smaller and cheaper than any of the wide angles that Fuji offers.

For A7CR, the 20-70mm f4 is a solid option, or you could consider the 24-50mm f2.8. Both are relatively compact, so you are just trading focal length range for aperture. For short tele, the options you have listed are superb as well. I would just throw in the FE 85mm 1.8 as an alternative.

Between FF and APS-C, I would go with the smaller sensor if small and compact is important. These days, crop sensors can already produce really amazing photos with well-controlled noise. The marginal IQ benefits when switching to FF is not as high as in the past for most people. If I'm shooting FF, it is not for the IQ; it is for DOF. I'm going to want at least an f1.8 for focal lengths between 24 and 85mm, and fortunately, there are plenty of compact and affordable 1.8 lenses!

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Mar 12, 2024 at 10:51 PM
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I bought the 6700 before the cr and cII were released. If Sony had switched that order around, I'd probably own the cr and wonder if I wouldn't be better off with the 6700. I'm happy it happened the way it did, because I got everything I needed in a light adventure buddy. I appreciate the advantages of the high-resolution FF, and I know the rV will be with me for a long time. It'll be with me for any trip that's photography-focused, where I'm going to have the time and appropriate gear with me to exploit those advantages. That includes at least a few of my big, heavy manual lenses, which would be awkward on a cr.

For family or friend oriented travel, where I'm pretty much in constant motion and my artistic ambitions are best fulfilled by telling the story of our trip, with plenty of latitude to produce a great land or cityscape or an incidental portrait should the perfect light and setting present themselves, the 6700 has proved all that's necessary. I don't feel at all like I overpaid for the 6700, which I don't think would be true of the cr. That's also true of the lenses, where it isn't difficult to come up with a smaller, lighter kit that's the optical equal to the smaller, lighter FF lenses produced by the various manufacturers, all at a significantly lower cost.

I pack heavier than your goal. My minimalist kit is the Sigma 10-18/2.8 (mostly used between 12 and 16, where it's excellent), the Zony 24/1.8 (sentimental fav, mostly used for people and video) and the Zony 55/1.8 (very capable portrait lens, killer short tele landscape lens). Depending on where I'm going, I'll add in a longer tele solution (Sigma 90/2.8, 70-200/4 GII, or 100-400GM and 1.4x) as the situation demands. I would avoid the Sony 16-55G for a couple of reasons. It not as wide as you want, it's got a lot of distortion on the wide end, it's big and heavy, and I would never hike with a single AF lens. If that lens develops show-stopping issues, you're packing a brick. So, from your list, I'd go with option 4.

However, before picking up the Sigma 18-50, I'd try the 6700 out with the lenses you have. Not with the goal of keeping them, but using them should show you if you'd be happier with a zoom in that range or if a mid-range faster prime is the better second lens. I think you could get a lot of mileage out of the zoom, but something like the Sigma 30/1.4, which is about the same size and weight as the zoom and half the price, might make more sense in the long run.

Just my way of thinking. I hope it helps.



Mar 12, 2024 at 11:49 PM
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liggy wrote:
I’m very happy with the 20-70 / A7RV pairing to minimize lens changes but keep the wide end that I value. Add a small fair prime for night/low light and no bag needed.

Just a spare battery in a pocket - all set. Liberating.

I would echo @ruthenium@’s comment on the m4/3 option. Just added an OM-1 to the kit.along with the positively tiny 12-45 F4 Pro. Neat little setup if 24mm FF equivalent is wide enough for you. Not a ton of extra pixels for cropping like the A7CR or RV but pretty good reach in a compact form.
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To OP: don't overthink it - as you said, photography will never be the #1 prior with wife and kids.

I had the aC7II and actually didn't like the handling, interface and EVF. Same would go for the a7CR. The AF and files are great, but it is just too cramped, the ergonomics are out the window and lacks short cut button options. I stuck to my a7RV instead. Yes, it is 200 gr heavier but the benefits are so many. Put your 40/2.5 on it, and you have a very capable small package. If you can handle a slightly larger kit, the Sony 20-70/4 is the way to go - I just took that to Cartagena and it was a great combo - never used another lens.

Also, you have the Fuji x100 already. I don't see the point of having that camera and the a7CR, might as well get something with more capabilities.




Mar 13, 2024 at 07:58 AM
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p.2 #5 · Lightweight travel setup options / opinions


Well for APS-C your #4 is one of my kits that is small and flexible. Before the Sigma 10-18/2.8 came out I used the 15/1.4 G at the wide end and a Sigma 56/1.4 or 90/2.8 if I needed a portrait lens.

I also shoot with an A7CR when I travel and when I want the convenience of zooms I use the small Sigma 16-28/2.8 and 28-70/2.8 DG DC even though I own several small primes at 24, 35, 40, and 55 that I may take out at night.



Mar 13, 2024 at 09:18 AM
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I just put together my light & simple kit. My preference is a bit different from yours in that I love having longer reach to compose both city & mt. shots, also useful for street photography and portraits from a distance.

My kit is an A7cr, 20-70mm walk around, 70-200mm f4 II (does macro too!) + 1.4X. Camera & 20-70mm in small Lowe case, tele in its own case in small back-pack I always bring to store my jacket, water bottle, etc. Another tool I just got is the Platypod Ultra very small and useful, esp. in venues where a tripod isn't allowed.



Mar 13, 2024 at 12:51 PM
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If considering primes as part of your solution, I'd suggest ff primes. Although some are big and expensive, some aren't, and you'd have the option of using them uncropped if you should add ff at some point.




Mar 13, 2024 at 01:57 PM
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I had similar ideas swirling around in my head. For a full frame body I decided to
1) not go with a lens that has more than ~400g of weight
2) take a lens that is strong wide open (preferably f2) for dim landscapes and cityscapes
3) Skip zooms since
- these all weigh >400g or
- have an aperture that starts way beyond f2.8 with this weight limit
4) Take a maximum of 3 lenses

This leaves me with few choices:

ULTRA WIDE
Sony 20/1.8 373g
Sigma 20/2.0 370g

WIDE
Sigma 24/2.0 360g
VC Apo 35/2.0 352g
Sigma 35/2.0 325g

NORMAL
VC Apo 50/2.0 364g
Sigma 50/2.0 350g

TELE
Sigma 65/2.0 405g
Sigma 90/2,8 295g

This leaves me with just two choices:
A) 20 - 35 - 65 (~1100g for 3 lenses)
B) 24 - 50 - 90 (~1000g for 3 lenses)

I strongly prefer selection A for city trips and selection B for landscapes / people.


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Mar 13, 2024 at 02:31 PM
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Landscape photographer here, I've been around this loop a lot of times, and if I was solely focussed on balancing quality with as light as possible, I reckon APS-C might be the way to go to take as much weight out. As others have said, the A6700 with the excellent Sigma options (10-18, 18-50 and the Sony 70-350) would cover every eventuality including ultrawide astro with the f2.8 on the Sigma 10-18.

My own setup is A7R3, 16-35mm f4 PZ, 20-70mm f4 and the 70-200mm f4 G2 - that's about as light as I can go currently covering 16mm to 200mm with high quality glass, but I am considering trading the A7R3 for the A7CR to remove a bit of weight and increase resolution.

Other options in the full-frame world that I considered was the 16-35mm PZ, my 55mm 1.8 and the 70-200mm f4 G2. Given you have 61 MP, you can crop the 35mm to give you closer to 40-42mm, and for the gap between 55mm and the 70mm, crop the 55mm.

I used to own the 24-105mm, but I traded it for the 20-70 because of the overlap at the long end of the 24-105 and the 70-200. It's worth noting that the 20-70 is superior optically to the 24-105 and the 24-105 feels heavier in the hand. It's a relatively old lens now and I don't regret trading it in.

Other options:

Tamron 28-200 - I had this lens and returned it after a bit of testing, it doesn't compare to my current setup. The CA and purple fringing was not attractive at the wide end and it's just not as sharp as the 20-70 and 70-200 particularly in the corners. Sure, it does save you switching lenses, and for travel "walk around" photography it's a great choice, just not for me and my expectation of high quality on large prints.

Tamron 70-300 - I eventually traded this for the new Sony f4 G2 70-200, but it was very light and has excellent reach. I found it sharpest when stopped down to f8 or f11 which was fine for landscapes, I'd recommend looking at this if you want long reach and lightweight. It has compromises (it needs stopped down, it doesn't have IS) compared to my 70-200 but well worth a look.

Another outside bet if you need beyond 200mm would be a 16-35 + Tamron 50-400 combo. That'll do everything but perhaps a slightly more cumbersome lens to carry around.

Finally, if I really want to save weight I can do a two lens approach with the 20-70 and 70-200. The 16-35 is a bit sharper at 20-24mm but i'm really impressed by how good the 20-70 is, so i'm happy to leave the 16-35 behind if weight is a concern.



Mar 13, 2024 at 02:51 PM
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@BigGaz

These are still all quite heavy solutions (or at least two f-stops weaker)
Of course everybody has different pain limits …

Going light, to me there is no real alternative to going fixed focal lenses …



Mar 13, 2024 at 02:55 PM
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My light weight travel kit is the A7r3 ( A7cr in the future ) along wth the Batis 25, 40 and 85.


Mar 13, 2024 at 03:06 PM
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chez wrote:
My light weight travel kit is the A7r3 ( A7cr in the future ) along wth the Batis 25, 40 and 85.


I have this kit with he A7CR + Batis trifecta. Light enough even though it’s not as small as I would like. Also often wonder if I wanted to slip in a midrange zoom like the ne FE 24-50/2.8 would I regret the loss of one stop to f/2.8 in exchange for th flexibility of not having to change lenses some times. Would not sell the Batis but just add the zoom to my large collection of lenses. What do you think? That lens is about the same size and weight of the Batis 85/1.8.




Mar 13, 2024 at 03:22 PM
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True, but you're having to compromise on flexibility. For me personally I need that flexibility over the weight saving.


Mar 13, 2024 at 03:26 PM
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BigGaz wrote:
True, but you're having to compromise on flexibility. For me personally I need that flexibility over the weight saving.


It really is a question of the shooting envelope you aim for and how to reach this envelope at a predetermined weight limit.

I found it interesting that you used the term flexibility.
- To me a set of 3 focal lengths with f2.0 is much more flexble (than a set of f4 zooms) since they allow shooting in dim light: sunrise, sunset, bars, restaurants, dark alleys (all situations in which a set of weight limited zooms would fail.
- To you flexibility means getting a bit more range at the ends and changing focal lengths quickly, which zooms allow.

So in addition to a given weight limit per se, it is all about the shooting envelope you want to cover to meet the requirements of your personal style. I tend to devellop the idea for a shot in my head, then chose the lens most apropriate for the idea and finally do the fine zooming with my legs.
A different shooting style or different motives, which you might be after, will quite obviously require a different system. I can see where zooms could fit in if getting the shot fast is paramount like in sports.




Mar 13, 2024 at 03:54 PM
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Yes very true, my landscape needs are typically satisfied by f4 lenses as I’m stopping down / tripod mounting so no need for anything fast.


Mar 13, 2024 at 04:55 PM
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My new light travel kit is the 35GM (which on an a7r5 doubles as a 26mp 50/2), 20/1.8G, and Sigma 90/2.8.

Probably heavier than you are looking for, but not heavy at all and very flexible with a high res camera. The beauty of a high res full frame is it makes all your primes two lenses in one. I like 50mm the best, so I leave the 35/1.4 on the camera most of the time and use crop mode which gives me a 50/2 and if I need wider, I hit a button and pop out to the full 35mm field of view. The 20/1.8 is used when I want wide, but can also double as a 30/2.8. The sigma 90/2.8 becomes a 135/4.



Mar 13, 2024 at 04:57 PM
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mudlake wrote:
My new light travel kit is the 35GM (which on an a7r5 doubles as a 26mp 50/2), 20/1.8G, and Sigma 90/2.8.

Probably heavier than you are looking for, but not heavy at all and very flexible with a high res camera. The beauty of a high res full frame is it makes all your primes two lenses in one. I like 50mm the best, so I leave the 35/1.4 on the camera most of the time and use crop mode which gives me a 50/2 and if I need wider, I hit a button and pop out to the full 35mm
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Very good points!

20-50-90 would work as well. The f1.4 35 and 50 GM have a similar weight, 524g, 516g respectively.

Focal length —FOV* — x increase

20 ——————84
(30)————— 61.9 —— 1.36
50 ——————39.6 —— 1.56
(75) ————— 27 ———1.47
90 ——————22.6 —— 1.19
(135) —————15.2 —— 1.49


* horizontal FOV in degrees


If you allow for one heavier lens (35 GM or 50 GM in the cases above) then the following solution is also very nice. The “heavier” lens in this case would be the 1.8/16 Viltrox 560g.

(Viltrox 16 - Batis 40 - Sigma 90):

16 —— 96,7
(24) — 73,7 —— 1,31
40 —— 48,5 —— 1,52
(60) — 33,4 —— 1,45
90 —— 22,6 —— 1,48
(135)— 15,2 —— 1,49



Mar 13, 2024 at 05:21 PM
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"Option 5:
- Sony RX100 VII 24-200mm
- Fujifilm X100 VI"

I just bought those 2 cameras for exactly the reasons you describe - to have a very compact kit with lots of range. I can fit both cameras (inside their respective cases) into a compact fanny pack, with extra batteries as well.

I also tried an A7CII but decided to go with the X100VI instead. I had both of them at the same time and was able to directly compare them. The A7CII is amazing, but once you add a lens it's definitely more bulky than the Fuji. Plus after taxes the A7CII with 40mm f2.5 G is about $1300 more than the X100VI - hard for me to justify right now. However, 2 things that surprised me and pushed toward the Fuji was (1) how loud the clack sound of the A7CII's shutter was compared to the virtually silent leaf shutter of the X100VI, and (2) I really prefer the tilt LCD of the Fuji for photography.



Mar 13, 2024 at 09:01 PM
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Re Option 5, yet another alternative is Fuji X100VI + Canon G1X Mark III.

The canon has a 24MP APSC sensor and 24-72mm f2.8-5.6 lens, so it has better image quality than the RX100 VI. I have the Canon and used to have an earlier RX100, and the IQ difference is clear. Obviously the RX100 VI has a longer reach if you value that.

In fact I have used the Canon alone on trips and it can do everything except dramatically blurring the background. The results are very close to a larger APSC interchangeable lens camera system. It will have worse ergonomics than the Fuji due to its small size, but better than the Sony RX100 VI.

Because the Fuji X100VI has 40MP, it matches the Canon in resolution at 45mm and beyond that the Canon has the upper hand. Of course the Canon also has 24mm for landscape.

But then if you compare this to A7C II, Viltrox 20/2.8, Sony 28-60 kit lens, Samyang 35/1.8, with the latter you get an equally lightweight package with better image quality and versatility but you need to change lenses. We are spoiled by choices.



Mar 13, 2024 at 11:06 PM
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foto16 wrote:
Re Option 5, yet another alternative is Fuji X100VI + Canon G1X Mark III.

The canon has a 24MP APSC sensor and 24-72mm f2.8-5.6 lens, so it has better image quality than the RX100 VI. I have the Canon and used to have an earlier RX100, and the IQ difference is clear. Obviously the RX100 VI has a longer reach if you value that.


It's the RX100 VII, very similar to the VI but with pretty amazing AF.

For trips, I personally value having the 200mm equivalent reach and AF of the RX100 VII as a companion to the X100VI. They each offer things the other doesn't, and the RX is incredibly small and light relatively.



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