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p.6 #1X100VI first impressions + running commentary
johnld wrote:
It's curious that many purchase it for the 40mp resolution, but then add film presets that make it look like a 6mp photo with a preset.
Have you SEEN the Q1/Q2/Q3 image thread
It's curious that many purchase it for the 40mp resolution, but then add film presets that make it look like a 6mp photo with a preset.
Have you SEEN the Q1/Q2/Q3 image thread
Mar 04, 2024 at 09:31 AM
p.6 #2X100VI first impressions + running commentary
johnld wrote:
It's curious that many purchase it for the 40mp resolution, but then add film presets that make it look like a 6mp photo with a preset.
Resolution doesn't typically decrease when applying a film preset unless you're adding a significant amount of noise or grain to the image. It can be beneficial to avoid adding 'grain' and preserve resolution, especially for types of photography such as landscapes, where detail is essential. For other types of photography, like those intended for sharing on platforms with lower resolution outputs, like your phone, experimenting with different grain aesthetics won't be crucial since the image is being heavily resized/compressed anyways…
So, the film presets are simply an option that enhances the versatility of the camera, but they don't need to be heavily used all the time. In other words, their usage depends on the desired output.
It's curious that many purchase it for the 40mp resolution, but then add film presets that make it look like a 6mp photo with a preset.
Resolution doesn't typically decrease when applying a film preset unless you're adding a significant amount of noise or grain to the image. It can be beneficial to avoid adding 'grain' and preserve resolution, especially for types of photography such as landscapes, where detail is essential. For other types of photography, like those intended for sharing on platforms with lower resolution outputs, like your phone, experimenting with different grain aesthetics won't be crucial since the image is being heavily resized/compressed anyways…
So, the film presets are simply an option that enhances the versatility of the camera, but they don't need to be heavily used all the time. In other words, their usage depends on the desired output.
Mar 04, 2024 at 09:38 AM
p.6 #3X100VI first impressions + running commentary
johnld wrote:
It's curious that many purchase it for the 40mp resolution, but then add film presets that make it look like a 6mp photo with a preset.
Is that sort of like you using a Medium Format camera and and using a pinhole aperture to make your shot look completely out of focus and dare I say less than a medium format picture?
I find that curious as well.
Not really but people buy cameras to achieve a desired output- The cool thing is the output doesn't always need to be the same thing.
So blurry and out of focus on medium format film one day-
Amazing landscape the next-
Be curious in your photographs not curious about why other people use a camera the way they do.
It's curious that many purchase it for the 40mp resolution, but then add film presets that make it look like a 6mp photo with a preset.
Is that sort of like you using a Medium Format camera and and using a pinhole aperture to make your shot look completely out of focus and dare I say less than a medium format picture?
I find that curious as well.
Not really but people buy cameras to achieve a desired output- The cool thing is the output doesn't always need to be the same thing.
So blurry and out of focus on medium format film one day-
Amazing landscape the next-
Be curious in your photographs not curious about why other people use a camera the way they do.
Mar 04, 2024 at 11:00 AM
p.6 #4X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Fred Miranda wrote:
Resolution doesn't typically decrease when applying a film preset unless you're adding a significant amount of noise or grain to the image. It can be beneficial to avoid adding 'grain' and preserve resolution, especially for types of photography such as landscapes, where detail is essential. For other types of photography, like those intended for sharing on platforms with lower resolution outputs, like your phone, experimenting with different grain aesthetics won't be crucial since the image is being heavily resized/compressed anyways…
So, the film presets are simply an option that enhances the versatility of the camera, but they don't need to...Show more →
And, of course, even in the unlikely event that resolution of the subject did decrease… the smaller “grain size” of the 40MP sensor can produce a smoother result (better gradients) in a large print and diminish the size of any noise that might remain.
There’s no downside to the higher sensor resolution and definitely some potential upsides.
johnld wrote
It's curious that many purchase it for the 40mp resolution, but then add film presets that make it look like a 6mp photo with a preset.So, the film presets are simply an option that enhances the versatility of the camera, but they don't need to...Show more →
And, of course, even in the unlikely event that resolution of the subject did decrease… the smaller “grain size” of the 40MP sensor can produce a smoother result (better gradients) in a large print and diminish the size of any noise that might remain.
There’s no downside to the higher sensor resolution and definitely some potential upsides.
Mar 04, 2024 at 11:08 AM
p.6 #5X100VI first impressions + running commentary
johnld wrote:
It's curious that many purchase it for the 40mp resolution, but then add film presets that make it look like a 6mp photo with a preset.
Quite simply, this is exaggeration. There's a big difference between a 6mp photo and a preset to alter the look and tonality of an image.
It's curious that many purchase it for the 40mp resolution, but then add film presets that make it look like a 6mp photo with a preset.
Quite simply, this is exaggeration. There's a big difference between a 6mp photo and a preset to alter the look and tonality of an image.
Mar 04, 2024 at 11:23 AM
p.6 #6X100VI first impressions + running commentary
johnld wrote:
It's curious that many purchase it for the 40mp resolution, but then add film presets that make it look like a 6mp photo with a preset.
The same with adding mist filters. I understand that they have some artistic value but if you're going to use them you don't need a 40 MP sensor.
It's curious that many purchase it for the 40mp resolution, but then add film presets that make it look like a 6mp photo with a preset.
The same with adding mist filters. I understand that they have some artistic value but if you're going to use them you don't need a 40 MP sensor.
Mar 04, 2024 at 11:28 AM
p.6 #7X100VI first impressions + running commentary
I need to stop reading and posting in these threads- some of you people are toxic-
Mar 04, 2024 at 11:31 AM
p.6 #8X100VI first impressions + running commentary
RustyRus wrote:
This camera is pretty nice-
Will put its through its paces a bit tomorrow but first impression is its solid as expected.
1st SOOC Jpeg with new Reala Ace
2nd SOOC Acros (had 20% cinebloom)
Pretty nice bokeh/background separation! Thanks for sharing.
This camera is pretty nice-
Will put its through its paces a bit tomorrow but first impression is its solid as expected.
1st SOOC Jpeg with new Reala Ace
2nd SOOC Acros (had 20% cinebloom)
Pretty nice bokeh/background separation! Thanks for sharing.
Mar 04, 2024 at 11:48 AM
p.6 #9X100VI first impressions + running commentary
RustyRus wrote:
I need to stop reading and posting in these threads- some of you people are toxic-
Just hide them instead, plenty of good discussion if you cut the 10% of idiocy away.
Meanwhile people are PMing me asking what brand of mist filter I use because they like the look so much
Stay big mad about other people's preferences, I guess!
I need to stop reading and posting in these threads- some of you people are toxic-
Just hide them instead, plenty of good discussion if you cut the 10% of idiocy away.
Meanwhile people are PMing me asking what brand of mist filter I use because they like the look so much
Stay big mad about other people's preferences, I guess!
Mar 04, 2024 at 11:51 AM
p.6 #10X100VI first impressions + running commentary
“ Be curious in your photographs not curious about why other people use a camera the way they do.”
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Mar 04, 2024 at 12:11 PM
p.6 #11X100VI first impressions + running commentary
If the camera is shooting EVF/LCD and on for a bit, I'm seeing it gets quite warm...warmer than my V did. This is simple AF-S, single shot, JPEG only type shooting, too. Now...yes, it's already 80 degrees here, but we still have 30 more degrees to go before we're in peak shooting temps!
It gets noticeably warmer while navigating menus than it does while actively shooting too...
It gets noticeably warmer while navigating menus than it does while actively shooting too...
Mar 04, 2024 at 12:37 PM
p.6 #12X100VI first impressions + running commentary
TENOG wrote:
The same with adding mist filters. I understand that they have some artistic value but if you're going to use them you don't need a 40 MP sensor.
Quite the opposite. A higher resolution camera retains more detail with a diffusion filter compared to using the same diffusion filter on a lower resolution camera. It was the same back in the film days – a diffusion filter that obscured too much detail on 35mm film (to the point of being tacky) would look more sophisticated on 6x7 medium format.
I recommend buying a few diffusion filters in varying strengths and see what conclusions you make based on experience.
johnld wrote
It's curious that many purchase it for the 40mp resolution, but then add film presets that make it look like a 6mp photo with a preset.Quite the opposite. A higher resolution camera retains more detail with a diffusion filter compared to using the same diffusion filter on a lower resolution camera. It was the same back in the film days – a diffusion filter that obscured too much detail on 35mm film (to the point of being tacky) would look more sophisticated on 6x7 medium format.
I recommend buying a few diffusion filters in varying strengths and see what conclusions you make based on experience.
Mar 04, 2024 at 12:49 PM
p.6 #13X100VI first impressions + running commentary
I'm not sure if it is a progression in my style but I'm noticing I'm enjoying shooting with the EVF a lot more now than when I had the X100F, where I did about 50/50 OVF/EVF shooting. I'm not one to feel bad about it either, I more like the rangefinder feel than the actual OVF - and the X100s always felt better to me than the X-E series.
Mar 04, 2024 at 12:51 PM
p.6 #14X100VI first impressions + running commentary
First shot: a new sim I'm working on with a sharpness setting of 0
Second shot: Gold sim with sharpness of -5
Obviously the camera has loads more sharpness to give you than very specific examples. Depends on what kind of look you're going for.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53567868118_7600a8bd9c_o.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53567993309_597617a604_o.jpg
Second shot: Gold sim with sharpness of -5
Obviously the camera has loads more sharpness to give you than very specific examples. Depends on what kind of look you're going for.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53567868118_7600a8bd9c_o.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53567993309_597617a604_o.jpg
Mar 04, 2024 at 12:53 PM
p.6 #15X100VI first impressions + running commentary
RoamingScott wrote:
If the camera is shooting EVF/LCD and on for a bit, I'm seeing it gets quite warm...warmer than my V did. This is simple AF-S, single shot, JPEG only type shooting, too. Now...yes, it's already 80 degrees here, but we still have 30 more degrees to go before we're in peak shooting temps!
It gets noticeably warmer while navigating menus than it does while actively shooting too...
Definitely curious about this and will be interested in your impressions as outdoor temps creep up. Forgive me if I missed it, but have you had the chance to do any longer exposures (2-15s) and how warm the camera gets then?
If the camera is shooting EVF/LCD and on for a bit, I'm seeing it gets quite warm...warmer than my V did. This is simple AF-S, single shot, JPEG only type shooting, too. Now...yes, it's already 80 degrees here, but we still have 30 more degrees to go before we're in peak shooting temps!
It gets noticeably warmer while navigating menus than it does while actively shooting too...
Definitely curious about this and will be interested in your impressions as outdoor temps creep up. Forgive me if I missed it, but have you had the chance to do any longer exposures (2-15s) and how warm the camera gets then?
Mar 04, 2024 at 12:56 PM
p.6 #16X100VI first impressions + running commentary
RyanDelaney wrote:
It gets noticeably warmer while navigating menus than it does while actively shooting too...Definitely curious about this and will be interested in your impressions as outdoor temps creep up. Forgive me if I missed it, but have you had the chance to do any longer exposures (2-15s) and how warm the camera gets then?
Not my normal thing but I can test easily enough and get back to you!
RoamingScott wrote
If the camera is shooting EVF/LCD and on for a bit, I'm seeing it gets quite warm...warmer than my V did. This is simple AF-S, single shot, JPEG only type shooting, too. Now...yes, it's already 80 degrees here, but we still have 30 more degrees to go before we're in peak shooting temps!It gets noticeably warmer while navigating menus than it does while actively shooting too...
Not my normal thing but I can test easily enough and get back to you!
Mar 04, 2024 at 01:02 PM
p.6 #17X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Keep note that when switching between C modes (custom sims) that the ND filter setting (on/off) doesn't stick. I'm trying to see what all settings don't stick, but it's a bit of trial and error.
If you're only using built in sims at their default settings, this won't apply.
The way I'm doing this is having C1 be called "Provia" with default settings and then use the lens ring to flick through all the default sims.
C2 and beyond are custom sims.
Any time I want to set the camera back to "defaults" I jump back over to C1.
If you're only using built in sims at their default settings, this won't apply.
The way I'm doing this is having C1 be called "Provia" with default settings and then use the lens ring to flick through all the default sims.
C2 and beyond are custom sims.
Any time I want to set the camera back to "defaults" I jump back over to C1.
Mar 04, 2024 at 01:05 PM
p.6 #18X100VI first impressions + running commentary
highdesertmesa wrote:
The same with adding mist filters. I understand that they have some artistic value but if you're going to use them you don't need a 40 MP sensor.Quite the opposite. A higher resolution camera retains more detail with a diffusion filter compared to using the same diffusion filter on a lower resolution camera. It was the same back in the film days – a diffusion filter that obscured too much detail on 35mm film (to the point of being tacky) would look more sophisticated on 6x7 medium format.
I recommend buying a few diffusion filters in varying strengths and see what conclusions you make based on experience.
I agree with you. However, my point is that any lens with a diffusion filter retains less detail than one without a filter. If you're going to use a filter do you really need to upgrade from a V to a VI with its higher resolution? I'm guessing that you will say yes, for the reasons you have stated.
Second, if you use them, what brands and strengths do you recommend? I'd like to give one a try. Maybe I'll find the effect so desirable that I will overlook the diminution of resolution. After all, some of the best photographs ever made were with lenses that had low resolution. Bresson immediately comes to mind. Thanks.
TENOG wrote
johnld wrote
It's curious that many purchase it for the 40mp resolution, but then add film presets that make it look like a 6mp photo with a preset.I recommend buying a few diffusion filters in varying strengths and see what conclusions you make based on experience.
I agree with you. However, my point is that any lens with a diffusion filter retains less detail than one without a filter. If you're going to use a filter do you really need to upgrade from a V to a VI with its higher resolution? I'm guessing that you will say yes, for the reasons you have stated.
Second, if you use them, what brands and strengths do you recommend? I'd like to give one a try. Maybe I'll find the effect so desirable that I will overlook the diminution of resolution. After all, some of the best photographs ever made were with lenses that had low resolution. Bresson immediately comes to mind. Thanks.
Mar 04, 2024 at 01:08 PM
p.6 #19X100VI first impressions + running commentary
RoamingScott wrote:
It gets noticeably warmer while navigating menus than it does while actively shooting too...Definitely curious about this and will be interested in your impressions as outdoor temps creep up. Forgive me if I missed it, but have you had the chance to do any longer exposures (2-15s) and how warm the camera gets then?Not my normal thing but I can test easily enough and get back to you!
Nice, thank you! Also, would be interested in performance when using the app as a cam remote. The V locked up on me once when shooting through the app and fried the sd card in the process. I might have been using a shit card but can’t recall.
RyanDelaney wrote
RoamingScott wrote
If the camera is shooting EVF/LCD and on for a bit, I'm seeing it gets quite warm...warmer than my V did. This is simple AF-S, single shot, JPEG only type shooting, too. Now...yes, it's already 80 degrees here, but we still have 30 more degrees to go before we're in peak shooting temps!It gets noticeably warmer while navigating menus than it does while actively shooting too...
Nice, thank you! Also, would be interested in performance when using the app as a cam remote. The V locked up on me once when shooting through the app and fried the sd card in the process. I might have been using a shit card but can’t recall.
Mar 04, 2024 at 01:27 PM
p.6 #20X100VI first impressions + running commentary
TENOG wrote:
The same with adding mist filters. I understand that they have some artistic value but if you're going to use them you don't need a 40 MP sensor.Quite the opposite. A higher resolution camera retains more detail with a diffusion filter compared to using the same diffusion filter on a lower resolution camera. It was the same back in the film days – a diffusion filter that obscured too much detail on 35mm film (to the point of being tacky) would look more sophisticated on 6x7 medium format.
I recommend buying a few diffusion filters in varying strengths and see what conclusions you make based on experience.I agree with you. However, my point is that any lens with a diffusion filter retains less detail than one without a filter. If you're going to use a filter do you really need to upgrade from a V to a VI with its higher resolution? I'm guessing that you will say yes, for the reasons you have stated.
Second, if you use them, what brands and strengths do you recommend? I'd like to give one a try. Maybe I'll find the effect so desirable that I will overlook the diminution of resolution. After all, some of the best photographs ever...Show more →
So if you are really curious- I have posted multiple examples, some even within this thread with a Cinebloom filter.
The Fuji shot below highlights the bloom of the light effect- Very similiar to my Leica 35 steel rim the way the lights diffuse. I think it adds a nice aesthetic to the picture and slightly softens the image- Again nothing to do with resolution just getting the desired look.
I was also just in San Fran and had my Leica Q3. Is all I brought by accident was my Cinebloom 10% filter. I left it on the entire time and was really happy with the results- Those are also posted below as well. I have 4K lenses that produce glow as a desired trait- I have no qualms about using that on film or an M11. I also like to achieve that effect on fixed lens cameras as well. Again- its a lens trait and has nothing to do with resolution-
highdesertmesa wrote
TENOG wrote
johnld wrote
It's curious that many purchase it for the 40mp resolution, but then add film presets that make it look like a 6mp photo with a preset.I recommend buying a few diffusion filters in varying strengths and see what conclusions you make based on experience.
Second, if you use them, what brands and strengths do you recommend? I'd like to give one a try. Maybe I'll find the effect so desirable that I will overlook the diminution of resolution. After all, some of the best photographs ever...Show more →
So if you are really curious- I have posted multiple examples, some even within this thread with a Cinebloom filter.
The Fuji shot below highlights the bloom of the light effect- Very similiar to my Leica 35 steel rim the way the lights diffuse. I think it adds a nice aesthetic to the picture and slightly softens the image- Again nothing to do with resolution just getting the desired look.
I was also just in San Fran and had my Leica Q3. Is all I brought by accident was my Cinebloom 10% filter. I left it on the entire time and was really happy with the results- Those are also posted below as well. I have 4K lenses that produce glow as a desired trait- I have no qualms about using that on film or an M11. I also like to achieve that effect on fixed lens cameras as well. Again- its a lens trait and has nothing to do with resolution-
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Mar 04, 2024 at 01:42 PM