p.7 #1X100VI first impressions + running commentary
RyanDelaney wrote: RoamingScott wroteRyanDelaney wroteRoamingScott wroteIf the camera is shooting EVF/LCD and on for a bit, I'm seeing it gets quite warm...warmer than my V did. This is simple AF-S, single shot, JPEG only type shooting, too. Now...yes, it's already 80 degrees here, but we still have 30 more degrees to go before we're in peak shooting temps!
It gets noticeably warmer while navigating menus than it does while actively shooting too...Definitely curious about this and will be interested in your impressions as outdoor temps creep up. Forgive me if I missed it, but have you had the chance to do any longer exposures (2-15s) and how warm the camera gets then?Not my normal thing but I can test easily enough and get back to you!Nice, thank you! Also, would be interested in performance when using the app as a cam remote. The V locked up on me once when shooting through the app and fried the sd card in the process. I might have been using a shit card but can’t recall.
I had to delete all my synced app settings because once I linked it up, the camera refused to turn off the geotagging feature no matter what I toggled in settings
p.7 #2X100VI first impressions + running commentary
BPsmith511 wrote: ISO1600 wroteUnfortunate about the apparent (slight) drop in build/assembly quality on the move to China, but not surprised.
I personally find the VI much more attractive than the V based on the updated AF, increased MP, and added IBIS. All things that coupled with the fixed lens bothered me ever so slightly on the V. I was mostly OK with the AF/MP/no IBIS on the XE4 because... well, it was smaller and cheaper, and gave you lens options. All things being equal, XE5 with the new sensor, new AF, and IBIS, would be really dang nice in my book. I am drooling over the X100VI though!Might just be sample variation. My VI is flawless and feels just as well built as my old F, other than the always-unsettling unparked IBIS when off, but that is a consistent Fuji design choice.
My VI is also flawless. I've checked every part of it, and not a single issue. I would rank it better than my Japan-made X100F, which I no longer own, but I do recall having a somewhat grindy front ring (maybe that was just normal for them at the time?), whereas my VI's controls all seem perfect and feel as one would expect.
Sadly, any large production line will inevitably produce some percentage of flawed items.
In fact, years ago when I first bought my F, the first one I got had a little hole in the silver finish on the top plate. I showed it to the store, and they gladly gave me an exchange. Very different times those were in so many ways...
So long story short, I think the new Chinese Fuji factory is doing some good work. I just feel bad for anyone who does receive a flawed camera since it's essentially impossible to get an exchange now.
p.7 #4X100VI first impressions + running commentary
TENOG wrote: highdesertmesa wroteTENOG wrotejohnld wroteIt's curious that many purchase it for the 40mp resolution, but then add film presets that make it look like a 6mp photo with a preset.The same with adding mist filters. I understand that they have some artistic value but if you're going to use them you don't need a 40 MP sensor.Quite the opposite. A higher resolution camera retains more detail with a diffusion filter compared to using the same diffusion filter on a lower resolution camera. It was the same back in the film days – a diffusion filter that obscured too much detail on 35mm film (to the point of being tacky) would look more sophisticated on 6x7 medium format.
I recommend buying a few diffusion filters in varying strengths and see what conclusions you make based on experience.I agree with you. However, my point is that any lens with a diffusion filter retains less detail than one without a filter. If you're going to use a filter do you really need to upgrade from a V to a VI with its higher resolution? I'm guessing that you will say yes, for the reasons you have stated.
Second, if you use them, what brands and strengths do you recommend? I'd like to give one a try. Maybe I'll find the effect so desirable that I will overlook the diminution of resolution. After all, some of the best photographs ever made were with lenses that had low resolution. Bresson immediately comes to mind. Thanks....Show more →
Regarding detail, the diffusion filters don't quite work like that. Think of them as interacting with light rather than obscuring detail. Unless you're using the strongest version of a given diffusion filter, the photo will still appear sharp when viewed at the pixel level. What does the diffusion filter change then? Since contrast is being reduced, shadow areas may appear more bright and highlights roll off a little more softly. Extremely bright highlights can "bloom" due to halation, similar to how some film stocks like Cinestill 800T react to bright lights at night. The net effect/result is an image that looks like it could have been shot with a sharp but lower contrast vintage lens.
The most popular diffusion filters are Tiffen's Black ProMist, Tiffen's Glimmerglass, and Moment's Cinebloom Diffusion. They all render in slightly different ways and are all available in varying strengths.
p.7 #5X100VI first impressions + running commentary
RyanDelaney wrote: RoamingScott wroteIf the camera is shooting EVF/LCD and on for a bit, I'm seeing it gets quite warm...warmer than my V did. This is simple AF-S, single shot, JPEG only type shooting, too. Now...yes, it's already 80 degrees here, but we still have 30 more degrees to go before we're in peak shooting temps!
It gets noticeably warmer while navigating menus than it does while actively shooting too...Definitely curious about this and will be interested in your impressions as outdoor temps creep up. Forgive me if I missed it, but have you had the chance to do any longer exposures (2-15s) and how warm the camera gets then?
Tested 4 back to back 10 second exposures (which have 10 seconds of processing right after), no real bump in warmth.
Did a 60 second exposure (which has 60 seconds of processing after), slightly warmer, but not warmer than what I experienced outside in normal operation earlier.
p.7 #7X100VI first impressions + running commentary
holy crap, half this thread is people talking about diffusion filters and film presets, literally nothing to do with X100VI. I realize I contributed to that with my comment about china factory possible issues, but that was at least X100VI-centric.
p.7 #8X100VI first impressions + running commentary
RustyRus wrote: TENOG wrotehighdesertmesa wroteTENOG wrotejohnld wroteIt's curious that many purchase it for the 40mp resolution, but then add film presets that make it look like a 6mp photo with a preset.The same with adding mist filters. I understand that they have some artistic value but if you're going to use them you don't need a 40 MP sensor.Quite the opposite. A higher resolution camera retains more detail with a diffusion filter compared to using the same diffusion filter on a lower resolution camera. It was the same back in the film days – a diffusion filter that obscured too much detail on 35mm film (to the point of being tacky) would look more sophisticated on 6x7 medium format.
I recommend buying a few diffusion filters in varying strengths and see what conclusions you make based on experience.I agree with you. However, my point is that any lens with a diffusion filter retains less detail than one without a filter. If you're going to use a filter do you really need to upgrade from a V to a VI with its higher resolution? I'm guessing that you will say yes, for the reasons you have stated.
Second, if you use them, what brands and strengths do you recommend? I'd like to give one a try. Maybe I'll find the effect so desirable that I will overlook the diminution of resolution. After all, some of the best photographs ever made were with lenses that had low resolution. Bresson immediately comes to mind. Thanks.So if you are really curious- I have posted multiple examples, some even within this thread with a Cinebloom filter.
The Fuji shot below highlights the bloom of the light effect- Very similiar to my Leica 35 steel rim the way the lights diffuse. I think it adds a nice aesthetic to the picture and slightly softens the image- Again nothing to do with resolution just getting the desired look.
I was also just in San Fran and had my Leica Q3. Is all I brought by accident was my Cinebloom 10% filter. I left it on the entire time and was really happy with the results- Those are also posted below as well. I have 4K lenses that produce glow as a desired trait- I have no qualms about using that on film or an M11. I also like to achieve that effect on fixed lens cameras as well. Again- its a lens trait and has nothing to do with resolution-
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Thanks for taking the time to show these. I can easily see the effect on the first portrait and I like it. As for the other shots I can't draw any conclusions without seeing comparable shots done without the filter. I assume they are softer than they would be without the filter and the Q3 images are not as sharp as I would expect, but that is just guesswork on my part and I have no basis for making that statement. Aside from the filter issue, I enjoyed your photos. Once again, thanks.
p.7 #9X100VI first impressions + running commentary
highdesertmesa wrote: TENOG wrotehighdesertmesa wroteTENOG wrotejohnld wroteIt's curious that many purchase it for the 40mp resolution, but then add film presets that make it look like a 6mp photo with a preset.The same with adding mist filters. I understand that they have some artistic value but if you're going to use them you don't need a 40 MP sensor.Quite the opposite. A higher resolution camera retains more detail with a diffusion filter compared to using the same diffusion filter on a lower resolution camera. It was the same back in the film days – a diffusion filter that obscured too much detail on 35mm film (to the point of being tacky) would look more sophisticated on 6x7 medium format.
I recommend buying a few diffusion filters in varying strengths and see what conclusions you make based on experience.I agree with you. However, my point is that any lens with a diffusion filter retains less detail than one without a filter. If you're going to use a filter do you really need to upgrade from a V to a VI with its higher resolution? I'm guessing that you will say yes, for the reasons you have stated.
Second, if you use them, what brands and strengths do you recommend? I'd like to give one a try. Maybe I'll find the effect so desirable that I will overlook the diminution of resolution. After all, some of the best photographs ever made were with lenses that had low resolution. Bresson immediately comes to mind. Thanks.Regarding detail, the diffusion filters don't quite work like that. Think of them as interacting with light rather than obscuring detail. Unless you're using the strongest version of a given diffusion filter, the photo will still appear sharp when viewed at the pixel level. What does the diffusion filter change then? Since contrast is being reduced, shadow areas may appear more bright and highlights roll off a little more softly. Extremely bright highlights can "bloom" due to halation, similar to how some film stocks like Cinestill 800T react to bright lights at night. The net effect/result is an image that looks like it could have been shot with a sharp but lower contrast vintage lens.
The most popular diffusion filters are Tiffen's Black ProMist, Tiffen's Glimmerglass, and Moment's Cinebloom Diffusion. They all render in slightly different ways and are all available in varying strengths.
p.7 #10X100VI first impressions + running commentary
I think the part of the VI that is annoying me the most so far is the sloppy hinge on the port door. The door itself slides forwards and backwards with any slight pressure on it, so picking up the camera, holding it in operation, getting leverage to open the battery/SD door...all of these things cause the port door to slide around.
One of those tiny tolerance issues that adds up over time.
p.7 #11X100VI first impressions + running commentary
RoamingScott wrote:
I think the part of the VI that is annoying me the most so far is the sloppy hinge on the port door. The door itself slides forwards and backwards with any slight pressure on it, so picking up the camera, holding it in operation, getting leverage to open the battery/SD door...all of these things cause the port door to slide around.
One of those tiny tolerance issues that adds up over time.
I can see how this could become a problem over time since the compartment is integrated into the grip. In the X-Pro3, the SD card(s) compartment is located on the grip side, but the door closes securely without any looseness.
One potential solution for a future X100 model is to relocate the M/C/S dial to the front of the camera, similar to the layout of the X-Pro3, and move the current compartment to the opposite side of the camera. Alternatively just make the compartment door more solid and firm with tighter tolerance.
p.7 #12X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Fred Miranda wrote: RoamingScott wroteI think the part of the VI that is annoying me the most so far is the sloppy hinge on the port door. The door itself slides forwards and backwards with any slight pressure on it, so picking up the camera, holding it in operation, getting leverage to open the battery/SD door...all of these things cause the port door to slide around.
One of those tiny tolerance issues that adds up over time.I can see how this could become a problem over time since the compartment is integrated into the grip. In the X-Pro3, the SD card(s) compartment is located on the grip side, but the door closes securely without any looseness.
One potential solution for a future X100 model is to relocate the M/C/S dial to the front of the camera, similar to the layout of the X-Pro3, and move the current compartment to the opposite side of the camera. Alternatively just make the compartment door more solid and firm with tighter tolerance.
After a year and a half using the X100V, the port door was still as tight as firm as day one. One data point I noticed is the spring in the VI is noticeably weaker than the one in the V, which I think is the main culprit.
I'm not a fan of doors as part of the grip, especially on Nikons. They had a real problem with them opening themselves up with normal use, it's why I like the locking door style on the Z9 so much, but it's still unsettling when it creaks underhand while holding the kit.
I'm with you though, move it over to the non-grip side!
p.7 #13X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Fred Miranda wrote: RoamingScott wroteI think the part of the VI that is annoying me the most so far is the sloppy hinge on the port door. The door itself slides forwards and backwards with any slight pressure on it, so picking up the camera, holding it in operation, getting leverage to open the battery/SD door...all of these things cause the port door to slide around.
One of those tiny tolerance issues that adds up over time.I can see how this could become a problem over time since the compartment is integrated into the grip. In the X-Pro3, the SD card(s) compartment is located on the grip side, but the door closes securely without any looseness.
One potential solution for a future X100 model is to relocate the M/C/S dial to the front of the camera, similar to the layout of the X-Pro3, and move the current compartment to the opposite side of the camera. Alternatively just make the compartment door more solid and firm with tighter tolerance.
I think your point — which I agree with — is in line with my feeling that at some point Fujifilm will want to undertake a rethinking of the internals and even some aspects of the exterior and form factor of the X100(series) bodies. Just because a thing is very good and very popular, it does not follow that it is perfect or cannot be improved.
Personally, I still think that a future model in the series could incorporate the newer, larger battery with some but not too much increase in size/weight — the sort of magnitude of increase that most people would not even think about after using the camera for a few days. I also think that such a camera would benefit from having two slots (or one slot plus internal memory?) but that’s probably a bigger stretch.
p.7 #14X100VI first impressions + running commentary
RoamingScott wrote:
I think the part of the VI that is annoying me the most so far is the sloppy hinge on the port door. The door itself slides forwards and backwards with any slight pressure on it, so picking up the camera, holding it in operation, getting leverage to open the battery/SD door...all of these things cause the port door to slide around.
One of those tiny tolerance issues that adds up over time.
Wait until you try sliding it up and down, there is even more play. It's a simple matter of the door not being quite large enough. When open, it's perfectly solid because the hinge mechanism seems to be angled so that the door doesn't move around when opened but has some slop for lack of tolerance when closed.
p.7 #15X100VI first impressions + running commentary
highdesertmesa wrote: RoamingScott wroteI think the part of the VI that is annoying me the most so far is the sloppy hinge on the port door. The door itself slides forwards and backwards with any slight pressure on it, so picking up the camera, holding it in operation, getting leverage to open the battery/SD door...all of these things cause the port door to slide around.
One of those tiny tolerance issues that adds up over time.Wait until you try sliding it up and down, there is even more play. It's a simple matter of the door not being quite large enough. When open, it's perfectly solid because the hinge mechanism seems to be angled so that the door doesn't move around when opened but has some slop for lack of tolerance when closed.
At least it's not just mine this time! This type of "slop" is precisely what I was concerned about with a new fab process in a new country of origin.
I bet they reused the V door part on a very slightly expanded grip to save a penny. I'd love to see all those dimensions compared to the V, but mine's already gone.
p.7 #16X100VI first impressions + running commentary
RoamingScott wrote:
I think the part of the VI that is annoying me the most so far is the sloppy hinge on the port door. The door itself slides forwards and backwards with any slight pressure on it, so picking up the camera, holding it in operation, getting leverage to open the battery/SD door...all of these things cause the port door to slide around.
One of those tiny tolerance issues that adds up over time.
Mine has no play and in fact slams shut quite soundly
p.7 #17X100VI first impressions + running commentary
BPsmith511 wrote: RoamingScott wroteI think the part of the VI that is annoying me the most so far is the sloppy hinge on the port door. The door itself slides forwards and backwards with any slight pressure on it, so picking up the camera, holding it in operation, getting leverage to open the battery/SD door...all of these things cause the port door to slide around.
One of those tiny tolerance issues that adds up over time.Mine has no play and in fact slams shut quite soundly
Fuji heard me waxing about the X2D and made sure mine was a dud all the way around
In better news, what started as a tweaked Reala sim is turning into a Superia 400 X-Tra sim and I'm loving the results. Historically it's been kind of hard to get vivid "fuji looking" greens and reds out of the same film sim, but between what I've done here and a small LR preset that tweaks the colors as the final step, I'm really pleased with what I'm cookin up. It's got those subtle green shadows, but vivid main greens and reds jump at you. If you want to make it look more filmic, a small fade preset finishes it.
I've had to drive several towns over to find enough scenes that have a mix of colors so I could tweak the recipe
I'm making two presets...one for general shooting, and one for a fully film look. All but the last are the general purpose preset.
p.7 #18X100VI first impressions + running commentary
RustyRus wrote: johnld wroteIt's curious that many purchase it for the 40mp resolution, but then add film presets that make it look like a 6mp photo with a preset.Is that sort of like you using a Medium Format camera and and using a pinhole aperture to make your shot look completely out of focus and dare I say less than a medium format picture?
I find that curious as well.
Not really but people buy cameras to achieve a desired output- The cool thing is the output doesn't always need to be the same thing.
So blurry and out of focus on medium format film one day-
Amazing landscape the next-
Be curious in your photographs not curious about why other people use a camera the way they do....Show more →
Being curious about others use of camera and how they use it is essential for my learning too. Not judging any choices as it's all quite subjective, imo. Good points on the MF pinhole comparison. Totally agree, but for me, the intrinsic value of photography as an art form is always going to side with film for its inherent tangible qualities regardless of format size vs digital.
p.7 #19X100VI first impressions + running commentary
gdanmitchell wrote: Fred Miranda wrotejohnld wroteIt's curious that many purchase it for the 40mp resolution, but then add film presets that make it look like a 6mp photo with a preset.Resolution doesn't typically decrease when applying a film preset unless you're adding a significant amount of noise or grain to the image. It can be beneficial to avoid adding 'grain' and preserve resolution, especially for types of photography such as landscapes, where detail is essential. For other types of photography, like those intended for sharing on platforms with lower resolution outputs, like your phone, experimenting with different grain aesthetics won't be crucial since the image is being heavily resized/compressed anyways…
So, the film presets are simply an option that enhances the versatility of the camera, but they don't need to be heavily used all the time. In other words, their usage depends on the desired output.And, of course, even in the unlikely event that resolution of the subject did decrease… the smaller “grain size” of the 40MP sensor can produce a smoother result (better gradients) in a large print and diminish the size of any noise that might remain.
There’s no downside to the higher sensor resolution and definitely some potential upsides.
However, the smaller pixel pitch of a 40mp aps-c sensor might not be as great at high iso though, imo. Perhaps others can upload some high iso photos.
p.7 #20X100VI first impressions + running commentary
BPsmith511 wrote: johnld wroteIt's curious that many purchase it for the 40mp resolution, but then add film presets that make it look like a 6mp photo with a preset.Quite simply, this is exaggeration. There's a big difference between a 6mp photo and a preset to alter the look and tonality of an image.
You're right. I should have just said a 6mp photo.