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p.21 #1X100VI first impressions + running commentary
I'm not trying to diss your grip. I'm sure it is well designed and comfortable. I do think it is a bit pricey for the materials used (it's almost twice the price of the SmallRig), and and it also looks like it would hinder operation of the Q button and potentially the focus point joystick, but I haven't used it and therefore can't speak for sure on that.

For me, however, and I think quite a lot of people, the aesthetics of the X100 series are a portion of the draw. And material selection and quality is important to quite a lot of people. It's why smartphones with boring plastic shells have essentially gone away, despite being more practical. There's something engaging about picking up a device you use often and feeling high end materials and seamlessly integrated design. For those that do not care about the aesthetics, I think it is a very fine option. However, I also feel there are ways to make a grip both attractive and functional. The aesthetics also are a little more important for me on the X100VI because I don't feel a grip is a necessity to comfortably use the camera. It feels quite nice to me without any accessories. Just sometimes I want a little extra to hold on to, and I also use Arca-Swiss tripod mounts, so getting a trip with integrated plate makes more sense than buying a custom Arca-Swiss plate for more money that also doesn't have the benefit of a grip.

I also disagree that all grips are unattractive. The SmallRig grip for the X100VI is very well designed from an aesthetic perspective, and very much looks like part of the camera. My wood grip for the Nikon Zf is quite lovely, and I think enhances the aesthetics.

I am glad that your grip provides an alternative option, and I hope that your grip is successful for you. It is, however, not for me.
Apr 23, 2024 at 08:48 AM
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p.21 #2X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Jman13 wrote:
I'm not trying to diss your grip. I'm sure it is well designed and comfortable. I do think it is a bit pricey for the materials used (it's almost twice the price of the SmallRig), and and it also looks like it would hinder operation of the Q button and potentially the focus point joystick, but I haven't used it and therefore can't speak for sure on that.

For me, however, and I think quite a lot of people, the aesthetics of the X100 series are a portion of the draw. And material selection and quality is important to quite
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Curious - what color is your wooden grip piece? Mine is a lighter wood than I'd prefer, but it' s fine. I rarely use it. I also got a Peak Design wrist strap, which at first was annoying (how the cinching mechanism works), but I rather like it now. Just another point of security.
Apr 23, 2024 at 09:26 AM
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p.21 #3X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Jman13 wrote:
I'm not trying to diss your grip. I'm sure it is well designed and comfortable. I do think it is a bit pricey for the materials used (it's almost twice the price of the SmallRig), and and it also looks like it would hinder operation of the Q button and potentially the focus point joystick, but I haven't used it and therefore can't speak for sure on that.

For me, however, and I think quite a lot of people, the aesthetics of the X100 series are a portion of the draw. And material selection and quality is important to quite
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Jordan,

Apologies if I missed your earlier post about this. Have you received your repaired camera from Fujji? It's been a while, and I'm interested to know whether they were able to fix it or if they ended up sending you a new camera.
Apr 23, 2024 at 09:44 AM
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p.21 #4X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Sharona wrote:
Jman13 wroteI'm not trying to diss your grip. I'm sure it is well designed and comfortable. I do think it is a bit pricey for the materials used (it's almost twice the price of the SmallRig), and and it also looks like it would hinder operation of the Q button and potentially the focus point joystick, but I haven't used it and therefore can't speak for sure on that.

For me, however, and I think quite a lot of people, the aesthetics of the X100 series are a portion of the draw. And material selection and quality is important to quite a lot of people. It's why smartphones with boring plastic shells have essentially gone away, despite being more practical. There's something engaging about picking up a device you use often and feeling high end materials and seamlessly integrated design. For those that do not care about the aesthetics, I think it is a very fine option. However, I also feel there are ways to make a grip both attractive and functional. The aesthetics also are a little more important for me on the X100VI because I don't feel a grip is a necessity to comfortably use the camera. It feels quite nice to me without any accessories. Just sometimes I want a little extra to hold on to, and I also use Arca-Swiss tripod mounts, so getting a trip with integrated plate makes more sense than buying a custom Arca-Swiss plate for more money that also doesn't have the benefit of a grip.

I also disagree that all grips are unattractive. The SmallRig grip for the X100VI is very well designed from an aesthetic perspective, and very much looks like part of the camera. My wood grip for the Nikon Zf is quite lovely, and I think enhances the aesthetics.

I am glad that your grip provides an alternative option, and I hope that your grip is successful for you. It is, however, not for me.
Curious - what color is your wooden grip piece? Mine is a lighter wood than I'd prefer, but it' s fine. I rarely use it. I also got a Peak Design wrist strap, which at first was annoying (how the cinching mechanism works), but I rather like it now. Just another point of security.


I have the ebony, and I think it looks really nice:
https://admiringlight.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/wood1.jpg
Apr 23, 2024 at 09:47 AM
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p.21 #5X100VI first impressions + running commentary
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Jman13 wroteI'm not trying to diss your grip. I'm sure it is well designed and comfortable. I do think it is a bit pricey for the materials used (it's almost twice the price of the SmallRig), and and it also looks like it would hinder operation of the Q button and potentially the focus point joystick, but I haven't used it and therefore can't speak for sure on that.

For me, however, and I think quite a lot of people, the aesthetics of the X100 series are a portion of the draw. And material selection and quality is important to quite a lot of people. It's why smartphones with boring plastic shells have essentially gone away, despite being more practical. There's something engaging about picking up a device you use often and feeling high end materials and seamlessly integrated design. For those that do not care about the aesthetics, I think it is a very fine option. However, I also feel there are ways to make a grip both attractive and functional. The aesthetics also are a little more important for me on the X100VI because I don't feel a grip is a necessity to comfortably use the camera. It feels quite nice to me without any accessories. Just sometimes I want a little extra to hold on to, and I also use Arca-Swiss tripod mounts, so getting a trip with integrated plate makes more sense than buying a custom Arca-Swiss plate for more money that also doesn't have the benefit of a grip.

I also disagree that all grips are unattractive. The SmallRig grip for the X100VI is very well designed from an aesthetic perspective, and very much looks like part of the camera. My wood grip for the Nikon Zf is quite lovely, and I think enhances the aesthetics.

I am glad that your grip provides an alternative option, and I hope that your grip is successful for you. It is, however, not for me.
Jordan,

Apologies if I missed your earlier post about this. Have you received your repaired camera from Fujji? It's been a while, and I'm interested to know whether they were able to fix it or if they ended up sending you a new camera.


It's detailed on the shipping thread. They sent it back. It was 'fixed' by replacing the lens assembly. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be where the fault is, as it still has a tilted plane of focus. I've got my local store running direct interference right now with their Fujifilm representative to try to get me a replacement camera. I can send it back into Fuji repair, but I'm hesitant to do so. I can shoot with the camera and get good results in daylight where I'm shooting stopped down, or if I'm shooting subjects where I'm isolating details, The issue comes if shooting flatter subjects at wider apertures (low light usually) or isolating subjects where the subject is in the same plane and fills large portions of the frame.


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Apr 23, 2024 at 09:49 AM
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p.21 #6X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Jman13 wrote:
Fred Miranda wrote
Jman13 wroteI'm not trying to diss your grip. I'm sure it is well designed and comfortable. I do think it is a bit pricey for the materials used (it's almost twice the price of the SmallRig), and and it also looks like it would hinder operation of the Q button and potentially the focus point joystick, but I haven't used it and therefore can't speak for sure on that.

For me, however, and I think quite a lot of people, the aesthetics of the X100 series are a portion of the draw. And material selection and quality is important to quite a lot of people. It's why smartphones with boring plastic shells have essentially gone away, despite being more practical. There's something engaging about picking up a device you use often and feeling high end materials and seamlessly integrated design. For those that do not care about the aesthetics, I think it is a very fine option. However, I also feel there are ways to make a grip both attractive and functional. The aesthetics also are a little more important for me on the X100VI because I don't feel a grip is a necessity to comfortably use the camera. It feels quite nice to me without any accessories. Just sometimes I want a little extra to hold on to, and I also use Arca-Swiss tripod mounts, so getting a trip with integrated plate makes more sense than buying a custom Arca-Swiss plate for more money that also doesn't have the benefit of a grip.

I also disagree that all grips are unattractive. The SmallRig grip for the X100VI is very well designed from an aesthetic perspective, and very much looks like part of the camera. My wood grip for the Nikon Zf is quite lovely, and I think enhances the aesthetics.

I am glad that your grip provides an alternative option, and I hope that your grip is successful for you. It is, however, not for me.
Jordan,

Apologies if I missed your earlier post about this. Have you received your repaired camera from Fujji? It's been a while, and I'm interested to know whether they were able to fix it or if they ended up sending you a new camera.
It's detailed on the previous page. They sent it back. It was 'fixed' by replacing the lens assembly. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be where the fault is, as it still has a tilted plane of focus. I've got my local store running direct interference right now with their Fujifilm representative to try to get me a replacement camera. I can send it back into Fuji repair, but I'm hesitant to do so. I can shoot with the camera and get good results in daylight where I'm shooting stopped down, or if I'm shooting subjects where I'm isolating details, The
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Wow, that's frustrating. You would think they could run a centering test with their equipment and see that the issue was not resolved. They should have kept your lens until it's properly fixed (sell it as a refurbished item) and sent you a new one directly from the factory. It's been a long repair time without an acceptable resolution.
Apr 23, 2024 at 09:52 AM
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p.21 #7X100VI first impressions + running commentary
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Jman13 wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
Jman13 wroteI'm not trying to diss your grip. I'm sure it is well designed and comfortable. I do think it is a bit pricey for the materials used (it's almost twice the price of the SmallRig), and and it also looks like it would hinder operation of the Q button and potentially the focus point joystick, but I haven't used it and therefore can't speak for sure on that.

For me, however, and I think quite a lot of people, the aesthetics of the X100 series are a portion of the draw. And material selection and quality is important to quite a lot of people. It's why smartphones with boring plastic shells have essentially gone away, despite being more practical. There's something engaging about picking up a device you use often and feeling high end materials and seamlessly integrated design. For those that do not care about the aesthetics, I think it is a very fine option. However, I also feel there are ways to make a grip both attractive and functional. The aesthetics also are a little more important for me on the X100VI because I don't feel a grip is a necessity to comfortably use the camera. It feels quite nice to me without any accessories. Just sometimes I want a little extra to hold on to, and I also use Arca-Swiss tripod mounts, so getting a trip with integrated plate makes more sense than buying a custom Arca-Swiss plate for more money that also doesn't have the benefit of a grip.

I also disagree that all grips are unattractive. The SmallRig grip for the X100VI is very well designed from an aesthetic perspective, and very much looks like part of the camera. My wood grip for the Nikon Zf is quite lovely, and I think enhances the aesthetics.

I am glad that your grip provides an alternative option, and I hope that your grip is successful for you. It is, however, not for me.
Jordan,

Apologies if I missed your earlier post about this. Have you received your repaired camera from Fujji? It's been a while, and I'm interested to know whether they were able to fix it or if they ended up sending you a new camera.
It's detailed on the previous page. They sent it back. It was 'fixed' by replacing the lens assembly. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be where the fault is, as it still has a tilted plane of focus. I've got my local store running direct interference right now with their Fujifilm representative to try to get me a replacement camera. I can send it back into Fuji repair, but I'm hesitant to do so. I can shoot with the camera and get good results in daylight where I'm shooting stopped down, or if I'm shooting subjects where I'm isolating details, The issue comes if shooting flatter subjects at wider apertures (low light usually) or isolating subjects where the subject is in the same plane and fills large portions of the frame.
Wow, that's frustrating. You would think they could run a centering test with their equipment and see that the issue was not resolved. They should have kept your lens until it's properly fixed (sell it as a refurbished item) and sent you a new one directly from the factory. It's been a long repair time without an acceptable resolution.


Agreed. I think they likely did test briefly on a test bench, but it depends on how they tested. If they tested using a subject 3 feet away and focused in the middle, it probably wouldn't show the issue to any degree to worry it. Bizarrely, it doesn't really show up at closer focus distances (It IS there, but you have to look for it, and if you focus in the center of the frame, it doesn't show up enough to really pose major issues. Where it really shows up is between 6 and 15 feet, where the difference in focal plane is VERY obvious at wide apertures, especially if you focus near the top or bottom of the frame.

A good example test shot - about 10 feet away, camera level and square. Focus was on the bottom hinge of the door. This is the camera after it came back from repair.

Full shot:
https://www.jordansteele.com/2024/x100vi_test.jpg

100% crop of the focus area:
https://www.jordansteele.com/2024/x100vi_focus.jpg

100% crop of the top of the door, in the same plane...this should be in focus:
https://www.jordansteele.com/2024/x100vi_oof.jpg

And 100% crop of the area in the hallway about 4-5 feet behind the door:
https://www.jordansteele.com/2024/x100vi_back.jpg
Apr 23, 2024 at 10:00 AM
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p.21 #8X100VI first impressions + running commentary
I got the leather half case with a grip from ebay. Previous X100V leather half case with a holding notch is looking better, but grip gives the stability esp with WCL/TCL options...

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/RBEAAOSwTJVmHQLi/s-l960.jpg

Apr 23, 2024 at 01:36 PM
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p.21 #9X100VI first impressions + running commentary
serhan_ wrote:
I got the leather half case with a grip from ebay. Previous X100V leather half case with a holding notch is looking better, but grip gives the stability esp with WCL/TCL options...

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/RBEAAOSwTJVmHQLi/s-l960.jpg


Do you have a link? I dig this one a lot!
Apr 24, 2024 at 01:43 PM
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p.21 #10X100VI first impressions + running commentary
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156155018347?var=456977044810

Malick80 wrote:
serhan_ wroteI got the leather half case with a grip from ebay. Previous X100V leather half case with a holding notch is looking better, but grip gives the stability esp with WCL/TCL options...

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/RBEAAOSwTJVmHQLi/s-l960.jpg
Do you have a link? I dig this one a lot!


Apr 24, 2024 at 02:11 PM
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p.21 #11X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Curious what the other X100VI shooters think about Cam's comments about the VI's flash, in so far as "it sucks". Comments start at 6:25

https://youtu.be/ipt-nAALMOA?t=385

I cannot for the life of me replicate his slow flash recycling issue. I also had to laugh that he doesn't seem to notice or care that his hood is ruining his flash shots.
Apr 24, 2024 at 03:34 PM
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p.21 #12X100VI first impressions + running commentary
^^^I like Cam ... but I found most of his expectations to be a bit unrealistic.

1) Why would Fuji develop a new version of the X100V lens so soon when they've don't historically update lenses often?

2) Of course they are going to put the new Xtrans5 40MP sensor in it -- that's the latest and greatest they are putting in all their new stuff, like they almost always have.

3) Why would they change the design much? It's had the same design language from the beginning, which is why it is what it is.

4) Why would they add full frame to it if they've NEVER done full frame ever ?

I mean calling it an X100V Mark 2 could be said about the previous X100's too, to an extent.

IMO -- I just can't fathom what they could've/should've done better. If you want/need it to be more than what it is, then you might need a different camera.
Apr 25, 2024 at 07:29 AM
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p.21 #13X100VI first impressions + running commentary
RoamingScott wrote:
Curious what the other X100VI shooters think about Cam's comments about the VI's flash, in so far as "it sucks". Comments start at 6:25

https://youtu.be/ipt-nAALMOA?t=385

I cannot for the life of me replicate his slow flash recycling issue. I also had to laugh that he doesn't seem to notice or care that his hood is ruining his flash shots.


If I'm shooting at f/2 indoors, the flash recycle is fine, but it's not shooting at full power. If I stop down to say, f/5.6, I get very similar results to him. Extremely slow recycle times, and they are also variable. Sometimes as short as 4 seconds. Others as long as 10 seconds. Also, the flash is so weak that on TTL at ISO 125, shooting a subject about 6-8 feet away, I can't even get proper exposure beyond f/2.8. At f/4 things start underexposing.

Frankly, I never use the internal flash on this camera, so I had to go inside and check, but getting something like a Godox TT350 (or V350) is a good plan if you are going to use flash a lot. I also have the Lux Junior, which looks nice on the X100 series and is tiny, though it's a manual only flash that also doesn't bounce.
Apr 25, 2024 at 08:36 AM
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p.21 #14X100VI first impressions + running commentary
The only time I used the flash on the X100V was indoor at higher ISO and pretty close to the subject. Typically just party pic style shots. I can't imagine the VI flash wouldn't be able to handle shots like that. Even my iPhone flash does a decent job lighting subjects in low light. For me the convenience of a built-in flash is a major draw for the x100 series over something like a Q.
Apr 25, 2024 at 08:40 AM
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p.21 #15X100VI first impressions + running commentary
Yeah, it can handle that fine, if you're ok with bumping the ISO. It's just not going to work well for fill flash outdoors (not powerful enough), and even indoors at lower ISOs. Put it at f/4 and ISO 400 and it does fine, though recycle is still pretty weak. f/2 and ISO 400 and you can pop away without much worry.
Apr 25, 2024 at 08:45 AM
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p.21 #16X100VI first impressions + running commentary
RoamingScott wrote:
Curious what the other X100VI shooters think about Cam's comments about the VI's flash, in so far as "it sucks". Comments start at 6:25

https://youtu.be/ipt-nAALMOA?t=385

I cannot for the life of me replicate his slow flash recycling issue. I also had to laugh that he doesn't seem to notice or care that his hood is ruining his flash shots.


Wonder if he had left his ND filter activated.
Apr 25, 2024 at 03:15 PM
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p.21 #17X100VI first impressions + running commentary
I've never heard of this guy before. Do people think he's reliable? He seems a little scattered to me.
Apr 25, 2024 at 10:12 PM
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p.21 #18X100VI first impressions + running commentary
TENOG wrote:
I've never heard of this guy before. Do people think he's reliable? He seems a little scattered to me.


I find his YT videos a helpful balance to the "reviewers" that don't use the gear for actual work. His gear videos are more of a running commentary about how it's working out. Sometimes he will hit on real issues/concerns. Sometimes his issue is user error.
Apr 27, 2024 at 10:12 AM
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p.21 #19X100VI first impressions + running commentary
The firmware update for the X100VI looks like it's really sped up eye-AF. I tried it on my cat in animal mode, and it was crazy fast and accurate at f/2. It was picking up the eyeball at 2m with occasional eyeball recognition at longer distances.

AF in general seems to have better accuracy at f/2 and close distance, something it struggled with before. I wonder if those reporting the lens was having trouble resolving 40mp will see a difference. Before this firmware, AF would often be off just enough to lower resolving power but not enough to make the image look like it was out of focus.
Apr 27, 2024 at 10:22 AM
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p.21 #20X100VI first impressions + running commentary
highdesertmesa wrote:
The firmware update for the X100VI looks like it's really sped up eye-AF. I tried it on my cat in animal mode, and it was crazy fast and accurate at f/2. It was picking up the eyeball at 2m with occasional eyeball recognition at longer distances.

AF in general seems to have better accuracy at f/2 and close distance, something it struggled with before. I wonder if those reporting the lens was having trouble resolving 40mp will see a difference. Before this firmware, AF would often be off just enough to lower resolving power but not enough to make the image
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If you have experience with the X100V, how would compare the AF performance of the V and VI models?
Apr 27, 2024 at 10:58 AM
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