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New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement

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p.20 #1 · p.20 #1 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement

Fred Miranda wrote:
Maybe, but what if I told you that the new CV 50/3.5 APO performs equally to the CV 50/2 APO when both are compared at f/3.5? Despite their completely different optical designs -- with the new f/3.5 APO-Lanthar featuring a formula close to a planar design -- it’s capable of producing smooth rendering similar to that of the f/2 APO-Lanthar.

Besides being much smaller and lighter, it has the significant advantage of much less optical vignetting when both are compared wide open. This lens offers exceptional performance in a compact size, though I agree that f/3.5 may not be very...Show more →

Sounds like an impressive performance. Such an odd external design, too. It reminds me of the Z-mount APOs that look like they glued the M version of the lens to a wide and flat Z-mount adapter. The lens barrel must be tiny if it makes the M mount look that wide!

Less vignetting is definitely something new for Cosina

Aug 10, 2024 at 06:17 PM

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p.20 #2 · p.20 #2 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement

Fred Miranda wrote:
Maybe, but what if I told you that the new CV 50/3.5 APO performs equally to the CV 50/2 APO when both are compared at f/3.5? Despite their completely different optical designs -- with the new f/3.5 APO-Lanthar featuring a formula close to a planar design -- it’s capable of producing smooth rendering similar to that of the f/2 APO-Lanthar.

Besides being much smaller and lighter, it has the significant advantage of much less optical vignetting when both are compared wide open. This lens offers exceptional performance in a compact size, though I agree that f/3.5 may not be very...Show more →

Great but for film shooters a max aperture of 3.5 limits its versatility in practical use.

Can you test how much light is actually transmitted at max aperture w both this lens and the Color Skopar?

Aug 10, 2024 at 08:54 PM

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p.20 #3 · p.20 #3 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement

Desmolicious wrote:
Great but for film shooters a max aperture of 3.5 limits its versatility in practical use.

Can you test how much light is actually transmitted at max aperture w both this lens and the Color Skopar?

I'll gather more details as I begin the review soon. However, I can already tell that the CV 50/3.5 APO is completely free of color errors and incredibly sharp at any distance. Its rendering is smooth and pleasing. Essentially, it's a smaller, slower version of the CV 50/2 APO with exceptional close-focusing capabilities, all without sacrificing image quality.

Aug 10, 2024 at 10:13 PM

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p.20 #4 · p.20 #4 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement

Aug 10, 2024 at 10:19 PM

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p.20 #5 · p.20 #5 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement

Fred Miranda wrote:
Maybe, but what if I told you that the new CV 50/3.5 APO performs equally to the CV 50/2 APO when both are compared at f/3.5?

I'd say I'm thrilled, but not all that surprised. Cosina seems to take their labeling seriously, so I didn't think a lens getting the APO-Lanthar brand would disappoint.

Aug 10, 2024 at 11:32 PM

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p.20 #6 · p.20 #6 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement

freaklikeme wrote:
I'd say I'm thrilled, but not all that surprised. Cosina seems to take their labeling seriously, so I didn't think a lens getting the APO-Lanthar brand would disappoint.

I'm surprised by the results I'm seeing compared to the released MTF graphs. At f/3.5, both lenses show nearly equal resolution and contrast, even though their MTF charts suggest the 50/2 APO should perform significantly better off-axis. Since I have optimal versions of both lenses, it's fascinating to see how well the CV 50/3.5 is performing.

The CV 50/3.5 lens lacks aspherical elements, while the 50/2 APO-Lanthar features two double-sided asphericals. Also, we're comparing 8 elements in the CV 50/3.5 to 10 in the 50/2. What’s really intriguing is that the CV 50/3.5 APO-Lanthar wide open offers resolution and contrast comparable to the 50/2 when stopped down to f/3.5! How is Cosina achieving this? I will try posting the resolution/contrast test tomorrow.

Aug 10, 2024 at 11:50 PM

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p.20 #7 · p.20 #7 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement

Fred Miranda wrote:
However, I can already tell that the CV 50/3.5 APO is completely free of color errors and incredibly sharp at any distance. Its rendering is smooth and pleasing. Essentially, it's a smaller, slower version of the CV 50/2 APO with exceptional close-focusing capabilities, all without sacrificing image quality.

Well I love my 50 apo except that it's kind of big, so I'm sold. Just need to decide between the matte black or panda paint for a type 1.

Aug 10, 2024 at 11:53 PM

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p.20 #8 · p.20 #8 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement

It's crisp and bold. Very fine color gradation with soft backgrounds, a winning combination together with APO edging. It's more versatile than expected. Do we have a likely US price?

The fast modern APOs (f1.4, f2) all need the double digit element counts and asph to push already challenging designs to reach APO levels. 1.5-2 stop slower designs are much less demanding, and none of the companies want the pain of asph surfacing, even as they improve at producing it.

How about a 35/3.5 next, same design as this one, as they did with the f2 APO-Lanthars.

Aug 11, 2024 at 02:00 AM

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p.20 #9 · p.20 #9 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement

oscartb wrote:
Well I love my 50 apo except that it's kind of big, so I'm sold. Just need to decide between the matte black or panda paint for a type 1.

Can you persuade me to buy this CV 50/3.5 APO while I have a summicron 50/2 APO?

Aug 11, 2024 at 08:05 AM

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p.20 #10 · p.20 #10 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement

Would be curious to see a shootout of these two and a revisit of the Vintage 1.5 II (if you have) ... similar shot of your SS would be interesting to see how much the detail / rendering differs among the options Voigt has brought lately. 50/2 APO could be in the mix, also as a reference.

Aug 11, 2024 at 08:10 AM

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p.20 #11 · p.20 #11 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement

Fred Miranda wrote:
I'm surprised by the results I'm seeing compared to the released MTF graphs. At f/3.5, both lenses show nearly equal resolution and contrast, even though their MTF charts suggest the 50/2 APO should perform significantly better off-axis. Since I have optimal versions of both lenses, it's fascinating to see how well the CV 50/3.5 is performing.

The CV 50/3.5 lens lacks aspherical elements, while the 50/2 APO-Lanthar features two double-sided asphericals. Also, we're comparing 8 elements in the CV 50/3.5 to 10 in the 50/2. What’s really intriguing is that the CV 50/3.5 APO-Lanthar wide open offers resolution and...Show more →

Stop. You're making me drool.

Aug 11, 2024 at 09:48 AM

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p.20 #12 · p.20 #12 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement

rollei35_warton wrote:
Can you persuade me to buy this CV 50/3.5 APO while I have a summicron 50/2 APO?

If the smaller size, lighter weight, closer focus and fractional price doesn't interest you, probably not.

Aug 11, 2024 at 09:50 AM

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p.20 #13 · p.20 #13 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement

RustyBug wrote:
Would be curious to see a shootout of these two and a revisit of the Vintage 1.5 II (if you have) ... similar shot of your SS would be interesting to see how much the detail / rendering differs among the options Voigt has brought lately. 50/2 APO could be in the mix, also as a reference.

I haven’t bought the CV 50/1.5 II, so I can’t compare it directly. Although the lighting conditions will vary, comparing the resolution crops from different reviews could still be helpful. That said, the APO-Lanthar lenses are in a different league compared to other 50mm options, including the new 50mm f/2.2 Color-Skopar. If you're after the highest image quality with minimal color or spherical aberration, nothing in the M series matches them, except possibly the Leica 50/2 APO, which I haven’t tried.

Aug 11, 2024 at 10:50 AM

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p.20 #14 · p.20 #14 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement

freaklikeme wrote:
If the smaller size, lighter weight, closer focus and fractional price doesn't interest you, probably not.

really, you sure?
CV 50/3.5 APO type II is almost same size as Summicron 50/f2 APO, and just slightly lighter.
Price doesn't matter because I have summicron APO already, it's sunk cost. It's not that I could get 'Cron money back if I bought the CV.
Closer focus is a plus for sure but I rarely shoot that close with a rangerfinder camera.

Dont forget it is 1.5 stop slower. F3.5 is just weird aperture.

Aug 11, 2024 at 09:07 PM

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p.20 #15 · p.20 #15 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement

rollei35_warton wrote:
really, you sure?
CV 50/3.5 APO type II is almost same size as Summicron 50/f2 APO, and just slightly lighter.
Price doesn't matter because I have summicron APO already, it's sunk cost. It's not that I could get 'Cron money back if I bought the CV.
Closer focus is a plus for sure but I rarely shoot that close with a rangerfinder camera.

Dont forget it is 1.5 stop slower. F3.5 is just weird aperture.

It sounds like you've talked yourself out of it, so I'm comfortable switching to a certainly not.

Aug 11, 2024 at 09:44 PM

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p.20 #16 · p.20 #16 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement

freaklikeme wrote:
It sounds like you've talked yourself out of it, so I'm comfortable switching to a certainly not.
Human beings can never have a civil conversation when there is a disagreement.
size: similar
weight: similar
price: summicron is way more expensive but as I said I have one already
closer focus: CV is superior
aperture: CV is inferior
IQ: you tell me?
see, this is civil. But I don't think you know how to converse like this.

Aug 11, 2024 at 09:51 PM

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p.20 #17 · p.20 #17 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement

Aug 11, 2024 at 09:53 PM

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p.20 #18 · p.20 #18 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement

Fred Miranda wrote:
I'll gather more details as I begin the review soon. However, I can already tell that the CV 50/3.5 APO is completely free of color errors and incredibly sharp at any distance. Its rendering is smooth and pleasing. Essentially, it's a smaller, slower version of the CV 50/2 APO with exceptional close-focusing capabilities, all without sacrificing image quality.

This lens looks unique but I just don't understand why Cosina thought this was the lens they need to bring to market-

Maybe its just me but the demand for a 50/3.5 can't be all that high.

Seems like a waste of manufacturing space- Am I missing something with this one? Images looks stellar though Fred.

Aug 11, 2024 at 10:05 PM

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p.20 #19 · p.20 #19 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement

RustyRus wrote:
This lens looks unique but I just don't understand why Cosina thought this was the lens they need to bring to market-

Maybe its just me but the demand for a 50/3.5 can't be all that high.

Seems like a waste of manufacturing space- Am I missing something with this one? Images looks stellar though Fred.

Having had both the Leica M 50 f/2 APO and the Voigtlander 50 f/2 APO, one of the things I liked much better about the Leica is that it didn't really block the frame lines and the Voigtlander did. I think Cosina understands M shooters well. They made a lens that doesn't block the frame lines and still performs wonderfully and even at f/3.5 if you shoot at or close to the MFD you can get some really nice blur as Fred's images show. It looks like a nice lens to me. I would get it if I still had an M camera.

Aug 11, 2024 at 10:14 PM

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p.20 #20 · p.20 #20 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement

rollei35_warton wrote:
Human beings can never have a civil conversation when there is a disagreement.
size: similar
weight: similar
price: summicron is way more expensive but as I said I have one already
closer focus: CV is superior
aperture: CV is inferior
IQ: you tell me?
see, this is civil. But I don't think you know how to converse like this.

The Leica 50mm f/2 APO is nearly the same length as the Voigtlander 50mm f/3.5 APO-Lanthar, being just 2mm longer and 1mm thicker. Both lenses are quite compact, but the Voigtlander is smaller overall and should not obstruct the framelines as much as the Leica at close distances. I don't have experience with the Leica, but the CV 50mm f/3.5 APO-Lanthar, without the hood, offers no blockage when focusing at long distances.

In terms of weight, the Type II silver brass version of the Voigtlander is 250g, while the Leica is 50g heavier and lacks a brass construction. Alternatively, the Type I Black version of the Voigtlander weighs only 150g, which is half the weight of the Leica.

The Voigtlander also has a closer minimum focusing distance of 0.35m compared to the Leica’s 0.7m, which is a notable advantage. The main benefit of the Leica 50mm f/2 APO over the Voigtlander 50mm f/3.5 APO-Lanthar is the extra 1 and 2/3 stops of light it provides.

As for image quality, I haven’t compared them yet, but it's on my plans.

Price-wise, that’s up to you to decide!

Aug 11, 2024 at 10:21 PM

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