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Voigtlander 28mm f/1.5 Nokton Review

  
 
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Shots of my old stomping grounds! I grew up in Boulder. Looked at those flatirons every day for the first 18 years of my life!

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This has become my default one-carry lens and daily driver.

And I’ve been using it with good success for video as well.




Aug 14, 2024 at 01:35 AM
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On the train from Paris to Coutances in Normandy, SL2-S:











































A few more in the blog:

Train from Paris to Coutances - 5050 Travelog



Aug 26, 2024 at 05:36 PM
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StoneCrop wrote:
Shots of my old stomping grounds! I grew up in Boulder. Looked at those flatirons every day for the first 18 years of my life!



I use to live in CO, though in the Springs. Lovely area, but too crowded and expensive nowadays for my tastes--still lovely though.



Aug 26, 2024 at 06:28 PM
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I used this lens (on Sony A7iii) along with a few others for a late-afternoon portrait shoot last Monday.

Adelina by Brad Hurley, on Flickr

Adelina by Brad Hurley, on Flickr




Aug 30, 2024 at 08:40 AM
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It's been a few months now - how are folks liking this as a fast 28mm for the Leica M system compared to the Thypoch? I tried a 28mm Summilux at the London Leica store a while back and it is a chunky boy. I think the Thypoch is around the same dimensions (though considerably lighter)? Love the rendering of the Thypoch I've seen, but some wonderful pics in this thread by the CV as well (especially by nehemiahphoto!).


Sep 03, 2024 at 08:40 PM
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TheEyesHaveIt wrote:
It's been a few months now - how are folks liking this as a fast 28mm for the Leica M system compared to the Thypoch? I tried a 28mm Summilux at the London Leica store a while back and it is a chunky boy. I think the Thypoch is around the same dimensions (though considerably lighter)? Love the rendering of the Thypoch I've seen, but some wonderful pics in this thread by the CV as well (especially by nehemiahphoto!).


As shown in the rendering tests of this review, the CV 28/1.5 shares many characteristics with the Leica 28/1.4 Lux in terms of rendering. If you appreciate that character, the Nokton will offer similar performance and draw, but without the bulk. The Nokton is about the same size and weight as the Leica 28/2 Summicron, but it's a stop faster.

Personally, the Leica 28 Lux was one of my favorite lenses, but after testing the Nokton here, I decided to trade for it.



Sep 10, 2024 at 10:54 AM
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Many pages of drool-worthy images!

I had the impression from the early reviews that this lens did not work well (softness away from center and perhaps color smearing) on Sony bodies, but that does not seem to be the case.

Is that correct, or is it only good stopped down?

Thanks,
Jim



Sep 10, 2024 at 02:30 PM
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Grenache wrote:
Many pages of drool-worthy images!

I had the impression from the early reviews that this lens did not work well (softness away from center and perhaps color smearing) on Sony bodies, but that does not seem to be the case.

Is that correct, or is it only good stopped down?

Thanks, Jim


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Does the Voigtlander 28mm f/1.5 Nokton perform well with the thicker Sony sensor stack? I'd say it's better than expected but far from optimal. In real-world images, photos captured with either a Leica M or Sony body will have similar resolution and contrast at the focused area. The main difference is in the field curvature, which is amplified by the thicker stack. This means that OOF areas may appear more in focus when shooting with the Sony, but this depends on the subject distance..

Focusing on a subject very close and wide open, results in a high amount of blur that masks this ill-effect. However, at mid or long distances, the transition zone becomes more apparent, making discrepancies in rendering more obvious. For example, if you focus on a bicycle in the center area at mid-distance, the further outer zone (towards the edges), which should be blurred, may appear sharper than it should.

Shooting flatter subjects at a distance, like landscapes or architecture, will make the focus areas uneven due to field curvature (as seen here). However, these applications usually require stopping down the lens. The broader depth of field will also mask the unevenness of the field curvature shape. In this case, the lens performs well, nearly as good as when shot using a Leica M.

There's also an increase in astigmatism, causing the outer zone to underperform as tangential and sagittal lines become further apart. Therefore, it's best to use fast wide-angle lenses like the Voigtlander 28mm f/1.5 on a sensor with a thin stack, as the optical design was intended for it.

Can it be used on the Sony? Absolutely, as long as these issues are not very apparent or do not bother you.

From my experience testing many lenses, only slower lenses with a maximum aperture like f/3.5 or smaller perform well on both thin Leica and thicker Sony stacks, but it also depends on the optical design.



Sep 10, 2024 at 10:29 PM
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bjhurley wrote:
I used this lens (on Sony A7iii) along with a few others for a late-afternoon portrait shoot last Monday.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53950564587_5e9249dc38_c.jpgAdelina by Brad Hurley, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53951462371_b003678404_c.jpgAdelina by Brad Hurley, on Flickr



Lovely images Brad!



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Jim,
Does the Voigtlander 28mm f/1.5 Nokton perform well with the thicker Sony sensor stack? I'd say it's better than expected but far from optimal. In real-world images, photos captured with either a Leica M or Sony body will have similar resolution and contrast at the focused area. The main difference is in the field curvature, which is amplified by the thicker stack. This means that OOF areas may appear sharper when shooting with the Sony, but this depends on the subject distance..

Focusing on a subject very close and wide open, results in a high amount of blur that masks
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Thanks, Fred. That was my impression from your initial assessment on the a7Rii, but it looked quite good on newer bodies, from @bjhurley so I was wondering if the sensor stack changed the answer.

Does anyone have experience with the a1?

Jim




Sep 11, 2024 at 03:39 AM
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Grenache wrote:
I was wondering if the sensor stack changed the answer.
Does anyone have experience with the a1?


Sensor stack thickness cannot change as that will hurt the native lenses.
A1 will be just the same as all the others.



Sep 11, 2024 at 04:57 AM
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I got this lens for use on my Sony (I don't have a digital Leica, only an old film one) mainly for shooting concerts and dances in low light, where I like to use rangefinder lenses. The field curvature issues aren't very apparent in those situations, and even when they show up they don't bother me--after all, up until now the 28mm I used for concerts and dances was the MS Optics 28/2 Apoqualia, which shows field curvature galore but also has corner smearing in some situations which I don't like at all.

I don't think I'd regard this as an all-around lens for Sony unless I had the ultra-thin Kolari mod, but I still haven't used it very much outside of concert and dance photography. I'll be using it for a swing dance tonight along with two other f1.5 rangefinder lenses.



Sep 11, 2024 at 06:15 AM
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bjhurley wrote:
I got this lens for use on my Sony (I don't have a digital Leica, only an old film one) mainly for shooting concerts and dances in low light, where I like to use rangefinder lenses. The field curvature issues aren't very apparent in those situations, and even when they show up they don't bother me--after all, up until now the 28mm I used for concerts and dances was the MS Optics 28/2 Apoqualia, which shows field curvature galore but also has corner smearing in some situations which I don't like at all.

I don't think I'd regard this as
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It will work fine in terms of rendering until you encounter a perfect storm where the subject is focused in a way that results in noticeable uneven rendering. This can still contribute to the lens's character, even if it wasn't the intended design. The lens will just show higher and more extreme outward field curvature than designed.

Interestingly, when using Sony lenses like the FE 35mm f/1.8 and FE 55mm f/1.8 on my A7R II UT, I notice the inverse effect. The curvature is inward, which actually makes the rendering smoother at the corners!



Sep 15, 2024 at 08:17 PM
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'The curvature is inward, which actually makes the rendering smoother at the corners!'

That's good to hear. Near side field curvature can appear a little like vignette, enclosing the image and permitting a slightly more distant focus placement, and it can work against outer frame optical fall-off where it will be most easily noticed, up close and personal.

28s really benefit from curvature for some compositions, many of the best older ones have plenty of it. Several CZ zooms too.



Sep 15, 2024 at 09:05 PM
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I prefer lenses with inward field curvature, whether it's by design or due to the sensor stack modification, especially for landscapes. For example, the Zeiss 28mm f/2 ZF Distagon I used on my Sony has notable inward curvature, which is great for landscapes. By stopping down to f/5.6, I achieved sharpness throughout the frame, from infinity to the foreground edges.


Sep 22, 2024 at 12:53 PM
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We need more balance. Once the technologists who rose to dominance in the digital era lose some ground to the image beauty faction, and they will, we will start seeing more attention to image-enhancing 'quality aberrations'.

(And we really need another word to replace that one too: Aberration: strongest matches: oddity, peculiarity, quirk. Strong matches: delusion, eccentricity, strangeness.)

The way it has gone - 'if we only remove aberrations, all will be well in our images' - is failing for so much of our imaging. And curvature of field is a pretty good example, because Zeiss 25mm and 28mm lenses (and zooms) from the golden era all have it. It's an enduring concern for wide angles even into the present age, as made clear by Roger Cicala's article:

'My own technique is to use areas of best sharpness and contrast to emphasize things in my photos, so I really have to learn the foibles of whatever 24mm I’m shooting with, and they aren’t just interchangeable.'

https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2020/01/practical-use-of-field-curvature-wide-and-telephoto-primes/



Sep 22, 2024 at 06:15 PM
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philip_pj wrote:
We need more balance. Once the technologists who rose to dominance in the digital era lose some ground to the image beauty faction, and they will, we will start seeing more attention to image-enhancing 'quality aberrations'.

(And we really need another word to replace that one too: Aberration: strongest matches: oddity, peculiarity, quirk. Strong matches: delusion, eccentricity, strangeness.)

The way it has gone - 'if we only remove aberrations, all will be well in our images' - is failing for so much of our imaging. And curvature of field is a pretty good example, because Zeiss 25mm and 28mm lenses (and
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Somehow, I missed this article. It's incredible information. I agree that field curvature is an important lens characteristic that many do not understand or disregard. Knowing the curvature characteristics of your lenses is crucial for achieving the best results.



Sep 29, 2024 at 12:02 PM
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I don't think I've ever tried a lens with curvature that adds something good to the character and/or image quality. Probably because every lens I've used out of hundreds that don't have a flat field, have had focus further away in the corners than in the middle of the image. Which looks awful.


Sep 29, 2024 at 12:43 PM
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