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p.4 #1Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Juha Kannisto wrote:
The 28 1.4 will sell better than both of those lenses combined-I wonder about this … When we have seen sales numbers from Cosina I am sure I remember the slower, cheaper lenses being the top sellers? I might be incorrect and I think the figures were from Japan but I understand that is the primary market for Cosina.Their most expensive fast wide-angle 21/1.4 has been a particularly poor seller so I think that's why they didn't make a 28/1.4 with floating elements in the same style and price level as that lens.
The multiplicity of Leica 21 Summilux(ii) on the secondary market in the US highlights the limited utility of large, super-fast UWA lenses--?astrophotography, so am not sure it's a Japanese market issue at all. Nonetheless, it is a shame that a FLE was omitted from the VM 1,4/28; worth the extra $100-200 for that correction.
tri_fin wrote
RustyRus wrote
wolfloid wrote
These look great, but they have introduced 3 28mm lenses recently, why not a nice 24/2 or 25/2?The multiplicity of Leica 21 Summilux(ii) on the secondary market in the US highlights the limited utility of large, super-fast UWA lenses--?astrophotography, so am not sure it's a Japanese market issue at all. Nonetheless, it is a shame that a FLE was omitted from the VM 1,4/28; worth the extra $100-200 for that correction.
Dec 17, 2023 at 11:43 AM
p.4 #2Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
This lens opens the game for evaluation. I thought about the Laowa 28 f1.2 and the Thypoch Simera 28 f1.4 for the use on my E-mount camera, but now I have three options. From what I know already I see the advantage of the Laowa in f1.2 (and less vignetting at f1.4 then the other two) but there is an unchangable MFD of 0,5m. The Thypoch has the advantage of a floating element and an orginal MFD of 0,4m. The CV has the advantage of a known manufactor and the smallest size, but I assume the highest vignetting of the bunch. Of course the two M-mount lenses can be paired with a CF-adapter - a small advantage. I think I have to wait for some reviews of the Thypoch 28f1.4 and of the CV28f1.5.
Dec 17, 2023 at 12:39 PM
p.4 #3Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
dieterson wrote:
This lens opens the game for evaluation. I thought about the Laowa 28 f1.2 and the Thypoch Simera 28 f1.4 for the use on my E-mount camera, but now I have three options. From what I know already I see the advantage of the Laowa in f1.2 (and less vignetting at f1.4 then the other two) but there is an unchangable MFD of 0,5m. The Thypoch has the advantage of a floating element and an orginal MFD of 0,4m. The CV has the advantage of a known manufactor and the smallest size, but I assume the highest vignetting of the...Show more →
I personally have the Laowa 28/1.2 and I think it's a pretty good lens, the only thing is that it's fairly big and heavy for use on my A7CII, and indeed it would be nice if it could focus a bit closer than 0.5m.
I also have the CV 28/2.8 VM Type II and a number of other adapted 28mm rangefinder lenses (MS-Optics 28/1.7, 28/2-II, 28-2-III, CV 28/1.9 LTM, CV 28/3.5 LTM, Apollon 28/3.5 x 2, Minolta M-Rokkor 28/2.8) so I'll stick to my available options for now.
I also think that CV might have some 28mm lens(es) for mirrorless somewhere in their plans since they have released so many of them for M-mount in the past 3 years but none for mirrorless so far. They could release one 28mm native option for E-mount, Z-mount, RF-mount in one go at some point and also a 28mm equivalent for Fuji X could be in the works. Going to wait and hope for such mirrorless options to materialize sooner or later
This lens opens the game for evaluation. I thought about the Laowa 28 f1.2 and the Thypoch Simera 28 f1.4 for the use on my E-mount camera, but now I have three options. From what I know already I see the advantage of the Laowa in f1.2 (and less vignetting at f1.4 then the other two) but there is an unchangable MFD of 0,5m. The Thypoch has the advantage of a floating element and an orginal MFD of 0,4m. The CV has the advantage of a known manufactor and the smallest size, but I assume the highest vignetting of the...Show more →
I personally have the Laowa 28/1.2 and I think it's a pretty good lens, the only thing is that it's fairly big and heavy for use on my A7CII, and indeed it would be nice if it could focus a bit closer than 0.5m.
I also have the CV 28/2.8 VM Type II and a number of other adapted 28mm rangefinder lenses (MS-Optics 28/1.7, 28/2-II, 28-2-III, CV 28/1.9 LTM, CV 28/3.5 LTM, Apollon 28/3.5 x 2, Minolta M-Rokkor 28/2.8) so I'll stick to my available options for now.
I also think that CV might have some 28mm lens(es) for mirrorless somewhere in their plans since they have released so many of them for M-mount in the past 3 years but none for mirrorless so far. They could release one 28mm native option for E-mount, Z-mount, RF-mount in one go at some point and also a 28mm equivalent for Fuji X could be in the works. Going to wait and hope for such mirrorless options to materialize sooner or later
Dec 17, 2023 at 11:25 PM
p.4 #4Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Juha Kannisto wrote:
I personally have the Laowa 28/1.2 and I think it's a pretty good lens, the only thing is that it's fairly big and heavy for use on my A7CII, and indeed it would be nice if it could focus a bit closer than 0.5m.
I also have the CV 28/2.8 VM Type II and a number of other adapted 28mm rangefinder lenses (MS-Optics 28/1.7, 28/2-II, 28-2-III, CV 28/1.9 LTM, CV 28/3.5 LTM, Apollon 28/3.5 x 2, Minolta M-Rokkor 28/2.8) so I'll stick to my available options for now.
I also think that CV might have some 28mm lens(es) for mirrorless...Show more →
How would you compare the CV 28 3.5 to the new CV 2.8?
dieterson wrote
This lens opens the game for evaluation. I thought about the Laowa 28 f1.2 and the Thypoch Simera 28 f1.4 for the use on my E-mount camera, but now I have three options. From what I know already I see the advantage of the Laowa in f1.2 (and less vignetting at f1.4 then the other two) but there is an unchangable MFD of 0,5m. The Thypoch has the advantage of a floating element and an orginal MFD of 0,4m. The CV has the advantage of a known manufactor and the smallest size, but I assume the highest vignetting of the bunch. Of course the two M-mount lenses can be paired with a CF-adapter - a small advantage. I think I have to wait for some reviews of the Thypoch 28f1.4 and of the CV28f1.5.I also have the CV 28/2.8 VM Type II and a number of other adapted 28mm rangefinder lenses (MS-Optics 28/1.7, 28/2-II, 28-2-III, CV 28/1.9 LTM, CV 28/3.5 LTM, Apollon 28/3.5 x 2, Minolta M-Rokkor 28/2.8) so I'll stick to my available options for now.
I also think that CV might have some 28mm lens(es) for mirrorless...Show more →
How would you compare the CV 28 3.5 to the new CV 2.8?
Dec 18, 2023 at 01:57 AM
p.4 #5Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Desmolicious wrote:
I personally have the Laowa 28/1.2 and I think it's a pretty good lens, the only thing is that it's fairly big and heavy for use on my A7CII, and indeed it would be nice if it could focus a bit closer than 0.5m.
I also have the CV 28/2.8 VM Type II and a number of other adapted 28mm rangefinder lenses (MS-Optics 28/1.7, 28/2-II, 28-2-III, CV 28/1.9 LTM, CV 28/3.5 LTM, Apollon 28/3.5 x 2, Minolta M-Rokkor 28/2.8) so I'll stick to my available options for now.
I also think that CV might have some 28mm lens(es) for mirrorless somewhere in their plans since they have released so many of them for M-mount in the past 3 years but none for mirrorless so far. They could release one 28mm native option for E-mount, Z-mount, RF-mount in one go at some point and also a 28mm equivalent for Fuji X could be in the works. Going to wait and hope for such mirrorless options to materialize sooner or laterHow would you compare the CV 28 3.5 to the new CV 2.8?
I have only used both on Sony sensors and 28/2.8 works better on Sony for sure in terms of having less field curvature and providing better corner-to-corner sharpness for infinity shots. I think 28/3.5 would work best on film cameras and for use on digital the new 28/2.8 would be better optimized. 28/3.5 does have quite noticeable field curvature challenges on Sony whereas I feel 28/2.8 works quite well on Sony too (although it still requires f8 for best corner-to-corner results).
I haven't used 28/3.5 very much in the last couple of years so I don't have fresh comparison data but those are my impressions so far. I also like the closer focusing option (0.5m) available on Type II of 28/2.8 vs. 0.7m on the 28/3.5. The brass 28/3.5 lens is a bit heavier while being slightly shorter. 28/3.5 uses a focus stick vs. focus tab on the 28/2.8 Type II. The same hood caps fit both lenses but the tiny hoods are not exchangeable as the screw-in mechanism is a bit different.
Juha Kannisto wrote
dieterson wrote
This lens opens the game for evaluation. I thought about the Laowa 28 f1.2 and the Thypoch Simera 28 f1.4 for the use on my E-mount camera, but now I have three options. From what I know already I see the advantage of the Laowa in f1.2 (and less vignetting at f1.4 then the other two) but there is an unchangable MFD of 0,5m. The Thypoch has the advantage of a floating element and an orginal MFD of 0,4m. The CV has the advantage of a known manufactor and the smallest size, but I assume the highest vignetting of the bunch. Of course the two M-mount lenses can be paired with a CF-adapter - a small advantage. I think I have to wait for some reviews of the Thypoch 28f1.4 and of the CV28f1.5.I also have the CV 28/2.8 VM Type II and a number of other adapted 28mm rangefinder lenses (MS-Optics 28/1.7, 28/2-II, 28-2-III, CV 28/1.9 LTM, CV 28/3.5 LTM, Apollon 28/3.5 x 2, Minolta M-Rokkor 28/2.8) so I'll stick to my available options for now.
I also think that CV might have some 28mm lens(es) for mirrorless somewhere in their plans since they have released so many of them for M-mount in the past 3 years but none for mirrorless so far. They could release one 28mm native option for E-mount, Z-mount, RF-mount in one go at some point and also a 28mm equivalent for Fuji X could be in the works. Going to wait and hope for such mirrorless options to materialize sooner or later
I have only used both on Sony sensors and 28/2.8 works better on Sony for sure in terms of having less field curvature and providing better corner-to-corner sharpness for infinity shots. I think 28/3.5 would work best on film cameras and for use on digital the new 28/2.8 would be better optimized. 28/3.5 does have quite noticeable field curvature challenges on Sony whereas I feel 28/2.8 works quite well on Sony too (although it still requires f8 for best corner-to-corner results).
I haven't used 28/3.5 very much in the last couple of years so I don't have fresh comparison data but those are my impressions so far. I also like the closer focusing option (0.5m) available on Type II of 28/2.8 vs. 0.7m on the 28/3.5. The brass 28/3.5 lens is a bit heavier while being slightly shorter. 28/3.5 uses a focus stick vs. focus tab on the 28/2.8 Type II. The same hood caps fit both lenses but the tiny hoods are not exchangeable as the screw-in mechanism is a bit different.
Dec 18, 2023 at 02:12 AM
p.4 #6Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Thank you Juha for your opinion concerning 28mm manual focus lenses for E-mount! An E-mount version would be so great (but Cosinas plans are not predictable at all)!
Dec 18, 2023 at 03:23 AM
p.4 #7Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Juha Kannisto wrote:
I personally have the Laowa 28/1.2 and I think it's a pretty good lens, the only thing is that it's fairly big and heavy for use on my A7CII, and indeed it would be nice if it could focus a bit closer than 0.5m.
I also have the CV 28/2.8 VM Type II and a number of other adapted 28mm rangefinder lenses (MS-Optics 28/1.7, 28/2-II, 28-2-III, CV 28/1.9 LTM, CV 28/3.5 LTM, Apollon 28/3.5 x 2, Minolta M-Rokkor 28/2.8) so I'll stick to my available options for now.
I also think that CV might have some 28mm lens(es) for mirrorless somewhere in their plans since they have released so many of them for M-mount in the past 3 years but none for mirrorless so far. They could release one 28mm native option for E-mount, Z-mount, RF-mount in one go at some point and also a 28mm equivalent for Fuji X could be in the works. Going to wait and hope for such mirrorless options to materialize sooner or laterHow would you compare the CV 28 3.5 to the new CV 2.8?I have only used both on Sony sensors and 28/2.8 works better on Sony for sure in terms of having less field curvature and providing better corner-to-corner sharpness for infinity shots. I think 28/3.5 would work best on film cameras and for use on digital the new 28/2.8 would be better optimized. 28/3.5 does have quite noticeable field curvature challenges on Sony whereas I feel 28/2.8 works quite well on Sony too (although it still requires f8 for best corner-to-corner results).
I haven't used 28/3.5 very much in the last couple of years so I don't have fresh comparison data...Show more →
Thanks Juha. Looks like I will need to convince Fred to test my 28 3.5 on film and digital Leicas, and compare to his 28 2.8.
Desmolicious wrote
Juha Kannisto wrote
dieterson wrote
This lens opens the game for evaluation. I thought about the Laowa 28 f1.2 and the Thypoch Simera 28 f1.4 for the use on my E-mount camera, but now I have three options. From what I know already I see the advantage of the Laowa in f1.2 (and less vignetting at f1.4 then the other two) but there is an unchangable MFD of 0,5m. The Thypoch has the advantage of a floating element and an orginal MFD of 0,4m. The CV has the advantage of a known manufactor and the smallest size, but I assume the highest vignetting of the bunch. Of course the two M-mount lenses can be paired with a CF-adapter - a small advantage. I think I have to wait for some reviews of the Thypoch 28f1.4 and of the CV28f1.5.I also have the CV 28/2.8 VM Type II and a number of other adapted 28mm rangefinder lenses (MS-Optics 28/1.7, 28/2-II, 28-2-III, CV 28/1.9 LTM, CV 28/3.5 LTM, Apollon 28/3.5 x 2, Minolta M-Rokkor 28/2.8) so I'll stick to my available options for now.
I also think that CV might have some 28mm lens(es) for mirrorless somewhere in their plans since they have released so many of them for M-mount in the past 3 years but none for mirrorless so far. They could release one 28mm native option for E-mount, Z-mount, RF-mount in one go at some point and also a 28mm equivalent for Fuji X could be in the works. Going to wait and hope for such mirrorless options to materialize sooner or later
I haven't used 28/3.5 very much in the last couple of years so I don't have fresh comparison data...Show more →
Thanks Juha. Looks like I will need to convince Fred to test my 28 3.5 on film and digital Leicas, and compare to his 28 2.8.
Dec 18, 2023 at 08:55 AM
p.4 #8Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Anywhere to pre-order?
Dec 18, 2023 at 10:56 AM
p.4 #9Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
RustyRus wrote:
Anywhere to pre-order?
I'm sure pretty soon we will see a pre-order page from CameraQuest.
Anywhere to pre-order?
I'm sure pretty soon we will see a pre-order page from CameraQuest.
Dec 18, 2023 at 11:11 AM
p.4 #10Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Juha Kannisto wrote:
I also think that CV might have some 28mm lens(es) for mirrorless somewhere in their plans since they have released so many of them for M-mount in the past 3 years but none for mirrorless so far. They could release one 28mm native option for E-mount, Z-mount, RF-mount in one go at some point and also a 28mm equivalent for Fuji X could be in the works. Going to wait and hope for such mirrorless options to materialize sooner or later
If that is the case then the 28/1.5 may be the best candidate from a specs-sheet point of view simply because it's faster than most of the other 28mm options and those available at f/1.4 and faster are considerably larger. As a Canon user, if it's a slow 28, then I might as well just get the surprisingly decent Canon RF 28/2.8 pancake.
I also think that CV might have some 28mm lens(es) for mirrorless somewhere in their plans since they have released so many of them for M-mount in the past 3 years but none for mirrorless so far. They could release one 28mm native option for E-mount, Z-mount, RF-mount in one go at some point and also a 28mm equivalent for Fuji X could be in the works. Going to wait and hope for such mirrorless options to materialize sooner or later
If that is the case then the 28/1.5 may be the best candidate from a specs-sheet point of view simply because it's faster than most of the other 28mm options and those available at f/1.4 and faster are considerably larger. As a Canon user, if it's a slow 28, then I might as well just get the surprisingly decent Canon RF 28/2.8 pancake.
Dec 18, 2023 at 05:20 PM
p.4 #11Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
rscheffler wrote:
If that is the case then the 28/1.5 may be the best candidate from a specs-sheet point of view simply because it's faster than most of the other 28mm options and those available at f/1.4 and faster are considerably larger. As a Canon user, if it's a slow 28, then I might as well just get the surprisingly decent Canon RF 28/2.8 pancake.
Yes, I also think that if Cosina makes a version of any of the 3 for mirrorless, the most likely one would be the new 28/1.5. I'd take any version quite happily, but it remains to be seen what happens. I keep my hopes up for this year's CP+ announcements.
Juha Kannisto wrote
I also think that CV might have some 28mm lens(es) for mirrorless somewhere in their plans since they have released so many of them for M-mount in the past 3 years but none for mirrorless so far. They could release one 28mm native option for E-mount, Z-mount, RF-mount in one go at some point and also a 28mm equivalent for Fuji X could be in the works. Going to wait and hope for such mirrorless options to materialize sooner or laterYes, I also think that if Cosina makes a version of any of the 3 for mirrorless, the most likely one would be the new 28/1.5. I'd take any version quite happily, but it remains to be seen what happens. I keep my hopes up for this year's CP+ announcements.
Dec 19, 2023 at 06:22 AM
p.4 #12Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
rscheffler wrote:
If that is the case then the 28/1.5 may be the best candidate from a specs-sheet point of view simply because it's faster than most of the other 28mm options and those available at f/1.4 and faster are considerably larger. As a Canon user, if it's a slow 28, then I might as well just get the surprisingly decent Canon RF 28/2.8 pancake.
That distortion software correction on the Canon, though
Juha Kannisto wrote
I also think that CV might have some 28mm lens(es) for mirrorless somewhere in their plans since they have released so many of them for M-mount in the past 3 years but none for mirrorless so far. They could release one 28mm native option for E-mount, Z-mount, RF-mount in one go at some point and also a 28mm equivalent for Fuji X could be in the works. Going to wait and hope for such mirrorless options to materialize sooner or laterThat distortion software correction on the Canon, though
Dec 20, 2023 at 09:59 PM
p.4 #13Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
^ Depends on the Canon lens. And Leica certainly isn't immune from doing similar (i.e. Q cameras). That Canon 28 pancake actually has less uncorrected distortion than some of their higher priced wides. Just a tradeoff that one must keep in mind for receiving other capabilities that might be a higher priority.
I'm looking forward to Fred's review of the 28/1.5 for a clearer indication of where it slots compared to the other CV and Leica 28mm options.
I'm looking forward to Fred's review of the 28/1.5 for a clearer indication of where it slots compared to the other CV and Leica 28mm options.
Dec 21, 2023 at 12:09 PM
p.4 #14Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
In Germany you can preorder type 1 (Al) for 1049€ and type 2 (brass) for 1149€ at the Calumet-store.
Dec 26, 2023 at 01:11 PM
p.4 #15Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Cool video from Cosina showcasing the new 28/1.5:
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Jan 01, 2024 at 09:27 PM
p.4 #16Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
The lens hood 🤦♂️
Jan 01, 2024 at 10:09 PM
p.4 #17Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
The accessory hood is the same LH-6 that's available for 35/1.4 II, 40/1.4, 50/1.5 II. I have one of those on my 50/1.5 II.
There's still no announcement of release date for this lens nor for the CV Canon RF 40/1.2 that was announced at the same time, so it seems both will come out at 2nd half of January. Since Japan is now having New Year holidays, the earliest possible date for announcement is likely to be 5th of January.
There's still no announcement of release date for this lens nor for the CV Canon RF 40/1.2 that was announced at the same time, so it seems both will come out at 2nd half of January. Since Japan is now having New Year holidays, the earliest possible date for announcement is likely to be 5th of January.
Jan 01, 2024 at 10:16 PM
p.4 #18Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Juha Kannisto wrote:
The accessory hood is the same LH-6 that's available for 35/1.4 II, 40/1.4, 50/1.5 II. I have one of those on my 50/1.5 II.
There's still no announcement of release date for this lens nor for the CV Canon RF 40/1.2 that was announced at the same time, so it seems both will come out at 2nd half of January. Since Japan is now having New Year holidays, the earliest possible date for announcement is likely to be 5th of January.
The thing that bugs me about an accessory hood being used on so many different focal lengths, is it means it is only most effective for the widest lens.
The accessory hood is the same LH-6 that's available for 35/1.4 II, 40/1.4, 50/1.5 II. I have one of those on my 50/1.5 II.
There's still no announcement of release date for this lens nor for the CV Canon RF 40/1.2 that was announced at the same time, so it seems both will come out at 2nd half of January. Since Japan is now having New Year holidays, the earliest possible date for announcement is likely to be 5th of January.
The thing that bugs me about an accessory hood being used on so many different focal lengths, is it means it is only most effective for the widest lens.
Jan 01, 2024 at 11:03 PM
p.4 #19Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Nice video, just the facts and an excelllent display of the Vintage range lenses. As the focus and aperture rings are almost identical in haptic specs, I'd prefer the scalloped TII but the extra 80 grams, well. And the TII tab is removable if not desired. (all moot for me, of course).
Jan 01, 2024 at 11:04 PM
p.4 #20Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Juha Kannisto wrote:
The accessory hood is the same LH-6 that's available for 35/1.4 II, 40/1.4, 50/1.5 II. I have one of those on my 50/1.5 II.
There's still no announcement of release date for this lens nor for the CV Canon RF 40/1.2 that was announced at the same time, so it seems both will come out at 2nd half of January. Since Japan is now having New Year holidays, the earliest possible date for announcement is likely to be 5th of January.
Cosina revisited the design, causing a small delay in its release. Although I initially planned to test the first prototype, I decided to wait for the production version.
The accessory hood is the same LH-6 that's available for 35/1.4 II, 40/1.4, 50/1.5 II. I have one of those on my 50/1.5 II.
There's still no announcement of release date for this lens nor for the CV Canon RF 40/1.2 that was announced at the same time, so it seems both will come out at 2nd half of January. Since Japan is now having New Year holidays, the earliest possible date for announcement is likely to be 5th of January.
Cosina revisited the design, causing a small delay in its release. Although I initially planned to test the first prototype, I decided to wait for the production version.
Jan 02, 2024 at 09:11 AM