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Archive 2023Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
p.3 #1Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
An E-mount version of this would be very, very welcome.
Dec 16, 2023 at 10:51 AM
p.3 #2Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
wolfloid wrote:
These look great, but they have introduced 3 28mm lenses recently, why not a nice 24/2 or 25/2?
The 28 1.4 will sell better than both of those lenses combined-
These look great, but they have introduced 3 28mm lenses recently, why not a nice 24/2 or 25/2?
The 28 1.4 will sell better than both of those lenses combined-
Dec 16, 2023 at 12:08 PM
p.3 #3Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
RustyRus wrote:
The 28 1.4 will sell better than both of those lenses combined-
At 1/9th the price of a Leica 28 Summilux and perhaps 85% [or better] of the performance? The wait list will last a year.
wolfloid wrote
These look great, but they have introduced 3 28mm lenses recently, why not a nice 24/2 or 25/2?At 1/9th the price of a Leica 28 Summilux and perhaps 85% [or better] of the performance? The wait list will last a year.
Dec 16, 2023 at 12:24 PM
p.3 #4Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
First review https://youtu.be/xsapiLX9WM8?si=SV7wTuVM0j5g54kW
Dec 16, 2023 at 01:08 PM
p.3 #5Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Plzenaak wrote:
First review https://youtu.be/xsapiLX9WM8?si=SV7wTuVM0j5g54kW
My Cantonese is a bit rusty.
Dec 16, 2023 at 02:44 PM
p.3 #6Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Cosina has been on fire with their new lens line up.
Dec 16, 2023 at 03:00 PM
p.3 #7Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
RustyRus wrote:
The 28 1.4 will sell better than both of those lenses combined-
I wonder about this … When we have seen sales numbers from Cosina I am sure I remember the slower, cheaper lenses being the top sellers? I might be incorrect and I think the figures were from Japan but I understand that is the primary market for Cosina.
wolfloid wrote
These look great, but they have introduced 3 28mm lenses recently, why not a nice 24/2 or 25/2?I wonder about this … When we have seen sales numbers from Cosina I am sure I remember the slower, cheaper lenses being the top sellers? I might be incorrect and I think the figures were from Japan but I understand that is the primary market for Cosina.
Dec 16, 2023 at 03:24 PM
p.3 #8Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
wolfloid wrote:
Why not the Voigtlander 28/2, the best of them all?
The one with the optical vignetting and purple edges?
Earlier quote
and will compare it to the Leica 28/1.4 Lux, Leica 28/2 Cron and Voigtlander 28/2.8 Color-Skopar in terms of performance and rendering.The one with the optical vignetting and purple edges?
Dec 16, 2023 at 03:27 PM
p.3 #9Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Fred Miranda wrote:
I'm getting one for review and will compare it to the Leica 28/1.4 Lux, Leica 28/2 Cron and Voigtlander 28/2.8 Color-Skopar in terms of performance and rendering.
I am eagerly awaiting this review. Your comparisons are informative. I bought the Voigtländer 28/2.8 and don’t regret it. Now looking at how this new lens will compare.
I'm getting one for review and will compare it to the Leica 28/1.4 Lux, Leica 28/2 Cron and Voigtlander 28/2.8 Color-Skopar in terms of performance and rendering.
I am eagerly awaiting this review. Your comparisons are informative. I bought the Voigtländer 28/2.8 and don’t regret it. Now looking at how this new lens will compare.
Dec 16, 2023 at 04:27 PM
p.3 #10Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Why another 28mm?
I would like to see 24mm maybe, if there is a point for it...
Now with new Zf out, Cosina should bring some nice Z mount lens.
I would like to see 24mm maybe, if there is a point for it...
Now with new Zf out, Cosina should bring some nice Z mount lens.
Dec 16, 2023 at 06:15 PM
p.3 #11Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
I hate hate hate the chrome ring on the front of these lenses. Looks like this 28 has exactly the look I am into, nice size, would probably make me very happy, but dang that front ring.... haha
Dec 16, 2023 at 09:05 PM
p.3 #12Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
tri_fin wrote:
The 28 1.4 will sell better than both of those lenses combined-I wonder about this … When we have seen sales numbers from Cosina I am sure I remember the slower, cheaper lenses being the top sellers? I might be incorrect and I think the figures were from Japan but I understand that is the primary market for Cosina.
In Japan Cosina's cheaper and older rangefinder lenses are their bestselling ones even today, like the 40/1.4 Nokton classic (it was about 36K yen here as new for a long time but price seems to have gone up to 43K), 35/2.5 (about 33K). Anything that costs about 120K (like these 28/1.5) will not be selling as much but maybe it will give Cosina better profit-margin per unit. Their most expensive fast wide-angle 21/1.4 has been a particularly poor seller so I think that's why they didn't make a 28/1.4 with floating elements in the same style and price level as that lens.
RustyRus wrote
wolfloid wrote
These look great, but they have introduced 3 28mm lenses recently, why not a nice 24/2 or 25/2?In Japan Cosina's cheaper and older rangefinder lenses are their bestselling ones even today, like the 40/1.4 Nokton classic (it was about 36K yen here as new for a long time but price seems to have gone up to 43K), 35/2.5 (about 33K). Anything that costs about 120K (like these 28/1.5) will not be selling as much but maybe it will give Cosina better profit-margin per unit. Their most expensive fast wide-angle 21/1.4 has been a particularly poor seller so I think that's why they didn't make a 28/1.4 with floating elements in the same style and price level as that lens.
Dec 16, 2023 at 09:30 PM
p.3 #13Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Juha Kannisto wrote:
The 28 1.4 will sell better than both of those lenses combined-I wonder about this … When we have seen sales numbers from Cosina I am sure I remember the slower, cheaper lenses being the top sellers? I might be incorrect and I think the figures were from Japan but I understand that is the primary market for Cosina.Their most expensive fast wide-angle 21/1.4 has been a particularly poor seller so I think that's why they didn't make a 28/1.4 with floating elements in the same style and price level as that lens.
Yes, it seems that Cosina prioritized compactness for the new 28/1.5.
tri_fin wrote
RustyRus wrote
wolfloid wrote
These look great, but they have introduced 3 28mm lenses recently, why not a nice 24/2 or 25/2?Yes, it seems that Cosina prioritized compactness for the new 28/1.5.
Dec 16, 2023 at 10:33 PM
p.3 #14Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Fred Miranda wrote:
The 28 1.4 will sell better than both of those lenses combined-I wonder about this … When we have seen sales numbers from Cosina I am sure I remember the slower, cheaper lenses being the top sellers? I might be incorrect and I think the figures were from Japan but I understand that is the primary market for Cosina.Their most expensive fast wide-angle 21/1.4 has been a particularly poor seller so I think that's why they didn't make a 28/1.4 with floating elements in the same style and price level as that lens.Yes, it seems that Cosina prioritized compactness for the new 28/1.5.
When it comes to a fast 28mm I would have really hoped for a fatter body with less vignetting issues...
Juha Kannisto wrote
tri_fin wrote
RustyRus wrote
wolfloid wrote
These look great, but they have introduced 3 28mm lenses recently, why not a nice 24/2 or 25/2?When it comes to a fast 28mm I would have really hoped for a fatter body with less vignetting issues...
Dec 17, 2023 at 12:57 AM
p.3 #15Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Fred Miranda wrote:
The 28 1.4 will sell better than both of those lenses combined-I wonder about this … When we have seen sales numbers from Cosina I am sure I remember the slower, cheaper lenses being the top sellers? I might be incorrect and I think the figures were from Japan but I understand that is the primary market for Cosina.Their most expensive fast wide-angle 21/1.4 has been a particularly poor seller so I think that's why they didn't make a 28/1.4 with floating elements in the same style and price level as that lens.Yes, it seems that Cosina prioritized compactness for the new 28/1.5.
I’ll wait for your test results to make final judgement but it does seem that is what they have done. They have given us a fast, compact lens that has a lot of barrel distortion, vignetting and coma.
My old 7A 28 1.4 was actually surprisingly good optically. But it was a lot bigger than this CV. And so is the Summilux 28, so it seems there is a reason for that.
Juha Kannisto wrote
tri_fin wrote
RustyRus wrote
wolfloid wrote
These look great, but they have introduced 3 28mm lenses recently, why not a nice 24/2 or 25/2?I’ll wait for your test results to make final judgement but it does seem that is what they have done. They have given us a fast, compact lens that has a lot of barrel distortion, vignetting and coma.
My old 7A 28 1.4 was actually surprisingly good optically. But it was a lot bigger than this CV. And so is the Summilux 28, so it seems there is a reason for that.
Dec 17, 2023 at 01:24 AM
p.3 #16Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
wolfloid wrote:
These look great, but they have introduced 3 28mm lenses recently, why not a nice 24/2 or 25/2?
There is some lag. For a few years there were a lot of complaints about missing 28mm options, and now we have a ton (at least in M mount, but FE is SOL).
Juha Kannisto wrote:
Their most expensive fast wide-angle 21/1.4 has been a particularly poor seller so I think that's why they didn't make a 28/1.4 with floating elements in the same style and price level as that lens.
Fred Miranda wrote:
Yes, it seems that Cosina prioritized compactness for the new 28/1.5.
My gut feeling is that the 28/1.5 will probably be more similar in performance to the 35/1.5 than the 21/1.4. While Cosina has released a lot of great lenses, the 35/1.5 didn't wow me, based on the samples posted here.
ISO1600 wrote:
I hate hate hate the chrome ring on the front of these lenses. Looks like this 28 has exactly the look I am into, nice size, would probably make me very happy, but dang that front ring.... haha
+1
These look great, but they have introduced 3 28mm lenses recently, why not a nice 24/2 or 25/2?
There is some lag. For a few years there were a lot of complaints about missing 28mm options, and now we have a ton (at least in M mount, but FE is SOL).
Juha Kannisto wrote:
Their most expensive fast wide-angle 21/1.4 has been a particularly poor seller so I think that's why they didn't make a 28/1.4 with floating elements in the same style and price level as that lens.
Fred Miranda wrote:
Yes, it seems that Cosina prioritized compactness for the new 28/1.5.
My gut feeling is that the 28/1.5 will probably be more similar in performance to the 35/1.5 than the 21/1.4. While Cosina has released a lot of great lenses, the 35/1.5 didn't wow me, based on the samples posted here.
ISO1600 wrote:
I hate hate hate the chrome ring on the front of these lenses. Looks like this 28 has exactly the look I am into, nice size, would probably make me very happy, but dang that front ring.... haha
+1
Dec 17, 2023 at 05:22 AM
p.3 #17Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Juha Kannisto wrote:
In Japan Cosina's cheaper and older rangefinder lenses are their bestselling ones even today, like the 40/1.4 Nokton classic (it was about 36K yen here as new for a long time but price seems to have gone up to 43K), 35/2.5 (about 33K). Anything that costs about 120K (like these 28/1.5) will not be selling as much but maybe it will give Cosina better profit-margin per unit. Their most expensive fast wide-angle 21/1.4 has been a particularly poor seller so I think that's why they didn't make a 28/1.4 with floating elements in the same style and price level...Show more →
My take on the home market, from watching the gyrations of used offerings, is that small is the operative. For instance, it's hard to find certain ltm lenses. On the other hand, the new fast offerings dominate the used listings. There seems to be a lot of flipping of the last fast for the newest fast while the small legacy lenses disappear quickly. In other words, buy and try the latest, buy and keep legacy...
The new f/1.5 looks like it's going to be in the newer f/2 league. I would have been interested three or four years ago...
wolfloid wrote
I wonder about this … When we have seen sales numbers from Cosina I am sure I remember the slower, cheaper lenses being the top sellers? I might be incorrect and I think the figures were from Japan but I understand that is the primary market for Cosina.My take on the home market, from watching the gyrations of used offerings, is that small is the operative. For instance, it's hard to find certain ltm lenses. On the other hand, the new fast offerings dominate the used listings. There seems to be a lot of flipping of the last fast for the newest fast while the small legacy lenses disappear quickly. In other words, buy and try the latest, buy and keep legacy...
The new f/1.5 looks like it's going to be in the newer f/2 league. I would have been interested three or four years ago...
Dec 17, 2023 at 06:59 AM
p.3 #18Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
rscheffler wrote:
My gut feeling is that the 28/1.5 will probably be more similar in performance to the 35/1.5 than the 21/1.4. While Cosina has released a lot of great lenses, the 35/1.5 didn't wow me, based on the samples posted here.
This is likely due to their optical designs, but I'm curious to try it out myself. Despite its larger size, I'm a big fan of the 21/1.4 Nokton, unlike the 35/1.5, which, despite being compact, doesn''t appeal to me as much. So, while the differences may not be substantial, the priority given to lens design does matter, even with modern designs.
My gut feeling is that the 28/1.5 will probably be more similar in performance to the 35/1.5 than the 21/1.4. While Cosina has released a lot of great lenses, the 35/1.5 didn't wow me, based on the samples posted here.
This is likely due to their optical designs, but I'm curious to try it out myself. Despite its larger size, I'm a big fan of the 21/1.4 Nokton, unlike the 35/1.5, which, despite being compact, doesn''t appeal to me as much. So, while the differences may not be substantial, the priority given to lens design does matter, even with modern designs.
Dec 17, 2023 at 09:33 AM
p.3 #19Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
BastianK wrote:
The 28 1.4 will sell better than both of those lenses combined-I wonder about this … When we have seen sales numbers from Cosina I am sure I remember the slower, cheaper lenses being the top sellers? I might be incorrect and I think the figures were from Japan but I understand that is the primary market for Cosina.Their most expensive fast wide-angle 21/1.4 has been a particularly poor seller so I think that's why they didn't make a 28/1.4 with floating elements in the same style and price level as that lens.Yes, it seems that Cosina prioritized compactness for the new 28/1.5.When it comes to a fast 28mm I would have really hoped for a fatter body with less vignetting issues...
It seems that prominent optical vignetting is a character Cosina does not want to let go.
Fred Miranda wrote
Juha Kannisto wrote
tri_fin wrote
RustyRus wrote
wolfloid wrote
These look great, but they have introduced 3 28mm lenses recently, why not a nice 24/2 or 25/2?It seems that prominent optical vignetting is a character Cosina does not want to let go.
Dec 17, 2023 at 09:34 AM
p.3 #20Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Fred Miranda wrote:
It seems that prominent optical vignetting is a character Cosina does not want to let go.
I own nearly 20 Voigtlander-branded lenses from Cosina, but I haven't purchased any new ones in recent years for this very reason.
BastianK wrote
When it comes to a fast 28mm I would have really hoped for a fatter body with less vignetting issues...I own nearly 20 Voigtlander-branded lenses from Cosina, but I haven't purchased any new ones in recent years for this very reason.
Dec 17, 2023 at 09:44 AM