p.4 #4 · New Harman Phoenix ISO Color negative film
I exposed a roll of this film but I had severe issues with it in the way that the pictures are unusable.
I was talking with the lab and they guessed the film running through several airport scanners (including the fancy new ones) might have been the problem.
I also exposed an almost expired Fuji 100, it traveled the same scanners, I used the same camera, lens and lab (development as well as scanning).
The lab also advised me to contact Harman, but they don't even have an E-mail address on their homepage.
Tried to contact them through Instagram - no reply.
So if any of you guys traveled with this film I am super interested in hearing if you encountered similar issues.
I have a second roll that hasn't seen any airport scanners and will try to expose that one soon, maybe also the batch was faulty.
p.4 #5 · New Harman Phoenix ISO Color negative film
BastianK wrote:
I exposed a roll of this film but I had severe issues with it in the way that the pictures are unusable.
I was talking with the lab and they guessed the film running through several airport scanners (including the fancy new ones) might have been the problem.
I also exposed an almost expired Fuji 100, it traveled the same scanners, I used the same camera, lens and lab (development as well as scanning).
The lab also advised me to contact Harman, but they don't even have an E-mail address on their homepage.
Tried to contact them through Instagram - no reply.
So if any of you guys traveled with this film I am super interested in hearing if you encountered similar issues.
I have a second roll that hasn't seen any airport scanners and will try to expose that one soon, maybe also the batch was faulty....Show more →
There is a feedback page, not sure if that would help
p.4 #7 · New Harman Phoenix ISO Color negative film
madNbad wrote:
Huss,
Did you buy a second roll or was one enough? The blues were great but all the other colors seem to have a bluish cast.
I would like to try another roll in sunshine, but am not curious enough to spend $14 when my freezer is full of C200 and Superia 400!
If I had another film freezer, and enough disposable $$$, I'd buy a lot of this first run batch before the formula changes and it becomes a 'normal' film. I could see intentionally using it to create high contrast images where the lighting would not suggest it - especially for portraiture. It's heavy grain and the way the shadows and highlights immediately drop off could be used for effect.
But for general photography? It's not ideal if you want 'normal' looking images. This is the kind of film you use to create artsy album covers.
p.4 #8 · New Harman Phoenix ISO Color negative film
Desmolicious wrote:
I would like to try another roll in sunshine, but am not curious enough to spend $14 when my freezer is full of C200 and Superia 400!
If I had another film freezer, and enough disposable $$$, I'd buy a lot of this first run batch before the formula changes and it becomes a 'normal' film. I could see intentionally using it to create high contrast images where the lighting would not suggest it - especially for portraiture. It's heavy grain and the way the shadows and highlights immediately drop off could be used for effect.
But for general photography? It's not ideal if you want 'normal' looking images. This is the kind of film you use to create artsy album covers....Show more →
I just got my first roll back from the lab... I am unfortunately also not very impressed with how the pictures look...
I have another 4 rolls and I will shoot them but like like you say I do not believe the film is very well suited for general purpose photography.
$12 per roll, I will wait for more reference before I purchase.
I only take several shoots of Phoenix ver 1 from my friend's camera and didn't like the result.
Especially I'm not able to scan by self at this moment.
p.4 #16 · New Harman Phoenix ISO Color negative film
SergeyT wrote:
Not for me. It is still not a match to even Gold 200 and costs much more
Purely based on price/performance I agree that Gold 200 is better.
But the question is really whether you're willing to invest to help fund further development so that they might eventually match Kodak film stocks (and maybe become cheaper as production is scaled up), or whether you're happy with a de facto monopoly on color negative film and exposed to whatever Kodak will decide on pricing going forward?
For B&W I shoot mostly Ilford film, with the odd Tri-X or Rollei film every now and then. So I would love them to be successful and establish themselves as the 2nd viable player in color negative, now that Fuji has left that market. They're not really there yet, but they also won't get there without some goodwill from us consumers..
p.4 #17 · New Harman Phoenix ISO Color negative film
fjablo wrote:
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But the question is really whether you're willing to invest to help fund further development so that they might eventually match Kodak film stocks (and maybe become cheaper as production is scaled up), or whether you're happy with a de facto monopoly on color negative film and exposed to whatever Kodak will decide on pricing going forward?
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That is one way to look at it and there is another one...
Why should I overpay for something that is mediocre compared to what I already use and not only unwisely spend my money but also no less importantly, sacrifice on quality of my end results?
"Investment" assumes intention to gain a profit and very often being mis-used. Where do you see a profit in overpaying for a mediocre product?
That approach sounds like a double loss, instead
I am almost certain that production cost of Kodak film is pretty much at the theoretically reachable bottom considering the maturity, scale and quality. The selling price is something else. As it stands right now - the "price for quality" of Gold 200 is hard to beat even comparing to B&W stocks.
There is absolutely no guarantee that if and when the competitor will reach the same level of quality and production cost as Kodak has they will be willing to sacrifice on their profit by selling a really competitive product at a lower price (tip : they are already trying to sell a lower quality product at a higher price). And if they do - I may reconsider my opinion and choices
p.4 #18 · New Harman Phoenix ISO Color negative film
zi464 wrote:
$12 per roll, I will wait for more reference before I purchase.
I only take several shoots of Phoenix ver 1 from my friend's camera and didn't like the result.
Especially I'm not able to scan by self at this moment.
I just happen to have my first roll at the lab at the moment. I am curious to see if I like it from an artistic perspective. But I only loaded it up because I was traveling and my digital batteries died and burned through my Kodak Pro Image. Shows you how much faith I put in to it!
All that said I am a little bit hopeful that they get catch up to Fuji/Agfa levels soon. All y'all need to remember that we came very close to not having consumer Kodak at all if it wasn't for the Alaris transaction. We need more players in the game that, like Fotoimpex, know how to make smaller scale film production viable in a digital economy.
p.4 #19 · New Harman Phoenix ISO Color negative film
ottokbre wrote:
I just happen to have my first roll at the lab at the moment. I am curious to see if I like it from an artistic perspective. But I only loaded it up because I was traveling and my digital batteries died and burned through my Kodak Pro Image. Shows you how much faith I put in to it!
All that said I am a little bit hopeful that they get catch up to Fuji/Agfa levels soon. All y'all need to remember that we came very close to not having consumer Kodak at all if it wasn't for the Alaris transaction. We need more players in the game that, like Fotoimpex, know how to make smaller scale film production viable in a digital economy. ...Show more →
All that said I am a little bit hopeful that they get catch up to Fuji/Agfa levels soon
