p.2 #2 · New Harman Phoenix ISO Color negative film
fjablo wrote:
Yep I‘ve seen those and it kinda gets rid of some of it, but then again not really. Seems this film has really limited dynamic range for a negative film - the shadows in the examples are very mushy and in the one with the house the highlights seem to be gone at the same time.
There will surely be people (like you, probably) who will be able to make it work. It’s just not a look I want from film 🙂
I also get that it’s a bit experimental but then they should price it accordingly imo. But if it helps funding further R&D and we get a higher-quality alternative later, I’m all for it 😉 ...Show more →
The grainydays review I posted above - with interviews of the Ilford staff - shows exactly what it is, and how Ilford/Harman say this is a work in progress and they are improving it. Harman has released this to lots of independant reviewers, so anyone interested in the film can do a quick google search - 'Harman Phoenix film review' and see whats up.
In today's world, where we are all connected 24/7, isn't that what everyone does? Who here on FM does not look up reviews of a photo product before they buy? You don't think that's the same everywhere?
p.2 #3 · New Harman Phoenix ISO Color negative film
I liked bad flashes review and the fact that he shot each roll differently. Really shows how the film behaves. I'm going to try doing what he did - shooting at 100 and then pulling. I quite like that look.
p.2 #4 · New Harman Phoenix ISO Color negative film
Desmolicious wrote:
I thought I by mistake logged back into photrio.com
Populated by 'in my day' types bemoaning that anyone young and new into film photography is a hipster and must be shunned...
Photrio!
BRING BACK KODACHROME!
Cinestill is sh1t and they should stop scamming people by selling repackaged film!
I'm old and angry!
Intrepid are heathens who cheapen large format!
BRING BACK KODACHROME!
hasselblad is the best!
My leica broke and I can't afford to fix it!
BRING Back...you know the drill.
Why don't young people use film?
Young people use film wrong!
I have no money and can't afford film because young people don't buy enough film but if they do they buy the wrong film and BRING BACK KODACHROME
p.2 #5 · New Harman Phoenix ISO Color negative film
panos.v wrote:
Photrio!
BRING BACK KODACHROME!
Cinestill is sh1t and they should stop scamming people by selling repackaged film!
I'm old and angry!
Intrepid are heathens who cheapen large format!
BRING BACK KODACHROME!
hasselblad is the best!
My leica broke and I can't afford to fix it!
BRING Back...you know the drill.
Why don't young people use film?
Young people use film wrong!
I have no money and can't afford film because young people don't buy enough film but if they do they buy the wrong film and BRING BACK KODACHROME
p.2 #7 · New Harman Phoenix ISO Color negative film
Geoff D F wrote:
Did someone say they are bringing back Kodachrome?
Isn't that a film that requires a unique and complex development process? I've read that somewhere and that was one of the reasons why it was discontinued. Correct me if I'm wrong.
p.2 #8 · New Harman Phoenix ISO Color negative film
Abu_Yusuf wrote:
I liked bad flashes review and the fact that he shot each roll differently. Really shows how the film behaves. I'm going to try doing what he did - shooting at 100 and then pulling. I quite like that look.
I need to look that one up. I by mistake clicked on the graincheck review of Phoenix and tuned out after she said her standard exposure setting for 400 iso film in bright sunlight is 1/125 @ f11…. I don’t find reviewers whose modus operandi is to grossly overexpose their film helpful.
On the upside it really shows that Harman is not shying away from having reviewers using their film, as they have apparently given it to so many people!
p.2 #10 · New Harman Phoenix ISO Color negative film
Fred Miranda wrote:
Isn't that a film that requires a unique and complex development process? I've read that somewhere and that was one of the reasons why it was discontinued. Correct me if I'm wrong.
p.2 #11 · New Harman Phoenix ISO Color negative film
I'm sure it won't happen, but I do live with a faint hope that Kodak finds a way to do a limited Kodachrome production run with a limited development window. I only ever shot a few rolls of it and regret not shooting more. It had a unique and absolutely wonderful look.
Ektachrome VS while nowhere near the same would be another great E6 film to bring back.
p.2 #14 · New Harman Phoenix ISO Color negative film
I hope that they do bring Kodachrome back to production -- but if and only if Kodak offers in-house processing.
When they shut down Kodachrome processing I still had several flats of PKR and PKM in my freezer (Professional Kodachrome 25 and 64) and one partial flat of PKL (Kodachrome 200) that needed to be submitted for processing prior to the year-end 2010 deadline. I loaded up three cameras and went on the field trip of a lifetime.
When all of the rolls were finally exposed, I sent a giant box of film to that cork soaker in Kansas who had a monopoly on processing and (in my opinion) wasn't properly maintaining his processing line. He scratched every one of my rolls -- all in the same way -- and tucked a note in my box when returning the uncut rolls of film that said "your camera is bad -- it scratched all of your film."
As if the three different cameras that I had used could each scratch the film in precisely the same way! Not. I believe that substandard maintenance of the processing line was the reason that all of my film was ruined -- and he wouldn't even honor the guarantee of replacing each roll of damaged film or offering a discount on processing fees.
Toward the end you had to accept scratched film because you couldn't get K-14M processing anywhere else.
The need for the anti-halation layer in still camera films is discussed in the Kodak manufacturing videos in Fred's film thread.
Not having the anti-halation layer means that it's going to behave a lot like Cinestill's repackaged Kodak motion picture film that also leaves out the anti-halation layer. Internal reflections off of the film back will result in colored halos around blown-out highlights. If this stuff ends up costing more than Kodak color print film that has a proper anti-halation layer then it's a definite pass.
p.2 #18 · New Harman Phoenix ISO Color negative film
I found Kyle McDougall’s review of the film very informative. He does some exposure tests and also got some of the nicest results I‘ve seen from this film so far:
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The grainydays and naked photographer videos were good as well! Sounds like they produced one master roll or around 50k rolls of 35mm.
Thinking about picking up some rolls to help fund the development of a version 2. Some rolls of film which I don’t like would be more than what I got for helping fund the Ferrania 120 color slide film that never materialized 😬
p.2 #19 · New Harman Phoenix ISO Color negative film
fjablo wrote:
I found Kyle McDougall’s review of the film very informative. He does some exposure tests and also got some of the nicest results I‘ve seen from this film so far:
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The grainydays and naked photographer videos were good as well! Sounds like they produced one master roll or around 50k rolls of 35mm.
Thinking about picking up some rolls to help fund the development of a version 2. Some rolls of film which I don’t like would be more than what I got for helping fund the Ferrania 120 color slide film that never materialized 😬
Yuk!!!
The maroon halos surrounding the chrome trim on the Oldsmobile in Section 3 were a dead giveaway that Phoenix 200 has no anti-halation layer. Although that may not bother some people, I spend a lot of money on lenses trying to eliminate chromatic aberration. There's no way I could ever adopt a film that introduces it's own purple fringing that you can see from 10 feet away.
I also thought the prominence of grain and strong color shifting at different exposures was really, really bad.
