p.1 #1 · New Harman Phoenix ISO Color negative film
It looks like the upcoming Harman Phoenix ISO Color negative film is set to launch tomorrow. Even though someone leaked product images and the price ($13.99) online, the post has already been removed. Source photorumors.
p.1 #3 · New Harman Phoenix ISO Color negative film
Someone on Photrio posted the Tech Sheet for this film...boy oh boy does it read like a long disclaimer! References to emulsion inconsistencies, obvious grain, "analog" colors (whatever that means).
p.1 #6 · New Harman Phoenix ISO Color negative film
Oldwino wrote:
Someone on Photrio posted the Tech Sheet for this film...boy oh boy does it read like a long disclaimer! References to emulsion inconsistencies, obvious grain, "analog" colors (whatever that means).
This is why they aren't marketing it under the Ilford brand name. Basically admitting it isnt anywhere near a professional standard. Watching Risby's interview with Harmon they said this was a "skunkworks" project and they are only a year into R&D. They basically took their knowledge producing XP2 and layered it.
At least they didn't insult us with a Kickstarter campaign. I'm not against those but when well established businesses do that I have to wonder what their own faith is in the product.
p.1 #7 · New Harman Phoenix ISO Color negative film
ottokbre wrote:
This is why they aren't marketing it under the Ilford brand name. Basically admitting it isnt anywhere near a professional standard. Watching Risby's interview with Harmon they said this was a "skunkworks" project and they are only a year into R&D. They basically took their knowledge producing XP2 and layered it.
At least they didn't insult us with a Kickstarter campaign. I'm not against those but when well established businesses do that I have to wonder what their own faith is in the product.
But yeah, 100% supporting this with my dollars.
The cannot legally market anything new under the Ilford name. They have licensed/own the name for existing, black & white, films only. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilford_Photo
p.1 #9 · New Harman Phoenix ISO Color negative film
Oldwino wrote:
Someone on Photrio posted the Tech Sheet for this film...boy oh boy does it read like a long disclaimer! References to emulsion inconsistencies, obvious grain, "analog" colors (whatever that means).
Hey at least there is a tech sheet "cough" catlabs "cough".
And giving Harman credit - they are listing exactly what you'd want to know if you cared. Read that, don't like it? Don't buy it.
Much better than not having that info available, buying it, hating it.
p.1 #13 · New Harman Phoenix ISO Color negative film
fjablo wrote:
New film is great but over here it’s ca 50% more expensive than Gold 200… combined with the „special“ look, it’s a pass from me..
Did you look at the review I linked above? That “special” look is normalized if scanned w a digicam and negativelabpro vs commercial scanners. Commercial scanners apparently do not yet have proper configurations for this film.
This new film is basically a work in process and I applaud Ilford for doing this. Yes I’m buying Kodak Gold/Fuji 200 for $6/roll from mpex.com, but that is not going to help future products entering the market.
p.1 #16 · New Harman Phoenix ISO Color negative film
Based on the available sample images this film is not a competitor for existing offerings from other brands neither in quality area nor cost to consumers.
It seemingly offers nothing new over what's already there (beside the name).
And it is unlikely to change the situation in so-called market unless it's characteristics improve or the price drops substantially
p.1 #18 · New Harman Phoenix ISO Color negative film
Desmolicious wrote:
Did you look at the review I linked above? That “special” look is normalized if scanned w a digicam and negativelabpro vs commercial scanners. Commercial scanners apparently do not yet have proper configurations for this film.
This new film is basically a work in process and I applaud Ilford for doing this. Yes I’m buying Kodak Gold/Fuji 200 for $6/roll from mpex.com, but that is not going to help future products entering the market.
Yep I‘ve seen those and it kinda gets rid of some of it, but then again not really. Seems this film has really limited dynamic range for a negative film - the shadows in the examples are very mushy and in the one with the house the highlights seem to be gone at the same time.
There will surely be people (like you, probably) who will be able to make it work. It’s just not a look I want from film 🙂
I also get that it’s a bit experimental but then they should price it accordingly imo. But if it helps funding further R&D and we get a higher-quality alternative later, I’m all for it 😉
p.1 #20 · New Harman Phoenix ISO Color negative film
SlowDriver wrote:
I don't get it though... A new film and everybody's moaning...?
I don't think it's "moaning". It's very reasonable to be skeptical that they've done -- and not even for cheap, but at nearly the price of Ektar -- a wide release with no warning (unless you dig into data sheets) of what is clearly a beta product with manufacturing not even dialed in (mention of "emulsion inconsistencies"), which is normally something manufacturers would be expected to eat the costs on.
Like I said in an earlier post, I'm in a financial position to buy film I can't trust just to support the endeavor, and I'm glad to hear you are too, but c'mon. This should've been a Kickstarter and it should've been "We're primarily asking you to help secure the future of color film photography, but also as a fun bonus we'll throw in a roll of the first test batches (but *use it at your own risk*)."
