GMPhotography wrote:
I can’t use it for Pro work. I shoot 40 k in images for two gigs a year under LED and make close to 20 grand doing it. The A7Rc won’t work as well as other models. So to me it’s a 20k net losss out if the gate. That’s not whining but real world reality. I need a A7RV or A9II or a A1, so pardon my comments as I have needs this cam can’t cover. So I’ll shut up and go sit in a corner because my comments are not valid. Is that what you’re saying. I’ve been on this forum for years helping you hobbyists but you guys can’t handle the reality. There are two sides going down the street not a one way
If someone is looking for a recommendation between A7RV and A7CR, it is one thing to point out the differences but to outright say that A7CR is not a good camera because it does not have the same features as A7RV is wrong. They both have different purposes. Your real world reality has options. A7CR does not work for you so you have A7RV or A1. Just because A7CR does not work for you does not make it a bad camera or a bad recommendation for others.
chez wrote:
I think we need to reel things in here a bit. The OP has no mention of using either camera for anything professional. He is looking for a camera to take family photos and one he can take with him on walks. Let’s not get things all mixed up by bringing in the needs to shoot professionally. That’s a total different discussion that should be kept out of this thread that has nothing to do with shooting professionally.
Sorry I disagree. All view points are valid and Guy's experience and feedback is always needed. Every camera has limitations and it is important to share those. While I bought the A7CR it was important to know its use with flash is limited IMHO because of its sync speed at 1/160 I think. So even though I don't do professional work these days a lot of us still do family events like big birthdays like I did just last weekend where flash was a must. Ended up having to use my A1 with 1/400 of a second in manual mode because of all the fast moving young nieces and nephews of my sister-in-law.
I need to understand what camera is best for the shooting conditions I will encounter. For me that means I can use the A7CR walking around but not for BIF or parties and big family events like my nephews wedding a month ago.
swldstn wrote:
Sorry I disagree. All view points are valid and Guy's experience and feedback is always needed. Every camera has limitations and it is important to share those. While I bought the A7CR it was important to know its use with flash is limited IMHO because of its sync speed at 1/160 I think. So even though I don't do professional work these days a lot of us still do family events like big birthdays like I did just last weekend where flash was a must. Ended up having to use my A1 with 1/400 of a second in manual mode because of all the fast moving young nieces and nephews of my sister-in-law.
I need to understand what camera is best for the shooting conditions I will encounter. For me that means I can use the A7CR walking around but not for BIF or parties and big family events like my nephews wedding a month ago....Show more →
Care to elaborate on why you cannot use a7cr for BIF, big family events, and weddings.
SrMi wrote:
Care to elaborate on why you cannot use a7cr for BIF, big family events, and weddings.
I've shot a 1DX, A9, A9II, and now a A1 for BIF so Im used to fast frame rates up to 20 fps. Spoiled I guess. For indoor family events and weddings I need faster flash sync speeds and for some reason on the CR and CII Sony has kept that flash sync speed very low at 1/160th. I prefer at least 1/250th of a second like they had on the A7IV and A7RV and even on older A7x models. Sure you can make 1/160th work but I prefer the faster sync with moving subjects.
swldstn wrote:
I've shot a 1DX, A9, A9II, and now a A1 for BIF so Im used to fast frame rates up to 20 fps. Spoiled I guess. For indoor family events and weddings I need faster flash sync speeds and for some reason on the CR and CII Sony has kept that flash sync speed very low at 1/160th. I prefer at least 1/250th of a second like they had on the A7IV and A7RV and even on older A7x models. Sure you can make 1/160th work but I prefer the faster sync with moving subjects.
swldstn wrote:
Sorry I disagree. All view points are valid and Guy's experience and feedback is always needed. Every camera has limitations and it is important to share those. While I bought the A7CR it was important to know its use with flash is limited IMHO because of its sync speed at 1/160 I think. So even though I don't do professional work these days a lot of us still do family events like big birthdays like I did just last weekend where flash was a must. Ended up having to use my A1 with 1/400 of a second in manual mode because of all the fast moving young nieces and nephews of my sister-in-law.
I need to understand what camera is best for the shooting conditions I will encounter. For me that means I can use the A7CR walking around but not for BIF or parties and big family events like my nephews wedding a month ago....Show more →
Then start a thread with your specific needs. The OP started this thread with his needs and they fall very short of the needs of a pro. He explicitly listed the conditions he would like to shoot and many here chime in about shooting under lcd lights or fast moving subjects…neither of which the OP asked for.
It’s like discussing the 600gm lens regarding shooting polar bear and me coming into the post and saying the 600gm sucks as a travel walk around lens in narrow streets.
chez wrote:
Then start a thread with your specific needs. The OP started this thread with his needs and they fall very short of the needs of a pro. He explicitly listed the conditions he would like to shoot and many here chime in about shooting under lcd lights or fast moving subjects…neither of which the OP asked for.
It’s like discussing the 600gm lens regarding shooting polar bear and me coming into the post and saying the 600gm sucks as a travel walk around lens in narrow streets.
I did read the Otravel and family photography post and earlier recommended the A7RV if it was the same price as the A7CR. I actually own both plus some other cameras and I really like the A7RV. For his family and travel the A7CR is a fine camera but if your going to shoot kids sports if I could only have one or the other I would still recommend the A7RV.
swldstn wrote:
I've shot a 1DX, A9, A9II, and now a A1 for BIF so Im used to fast frame rates up to 20 fps. Spoiled I guess. For indoor family events and weddings I need faster flash sync speeds and for some reason on the CR and CII Sony has kept that flash sync speed very low at 1/160th. I prefer at least 1/250th of a second like they had on the A7IV and A7RV and even on older A7x models. Sure you can make 1/160th work but I prefer the faster sync with moving subjects.
I know spec sheet says 1/160, however, I experimented with flash a couple of days ago and I had no banding issue up to 1/200. At 1/250, there was a very small vignetting/banding at the top...could easily crop it out.
nepali wrote:
If someone is looking for a recommendation between A7RV and A7CR, it is one thing to point out the differences but to outright say that A7CR is not a good camera because it does not have the same features as A7RV is wrong. They both have different purposes. Your real world reality has options. A7CR does not work for you so you have A7RV or A1. Just because A7CR does not work for you does not make it a bad camera or a bad recommendation for others.
Stop there. I never ever said it was a bad camera ever I did say it is limited and be careful what you decide to pick.
Do not put words in my mouth. I did also say it’s a good casual travel cam where these issues don’t exist. I’ve been at this 50 years and very careful what I say
For the 600 more the A7RV has very few limitations. Problem as always your not buying a camera with feature sets but a size and weight compromise. Photography is about getting the image not a fashion badge. My 6700 does not have these limits and I shot a job last night with it. Rock solid too
nepali wrote:
I know spec sheet says 1/160, however, I experimented with flash a couple of days ago and I had no banding issue up to 1/200. At 1/250, there was a very small vignetting/banding at the top...could easily crop it out.
That’s not banding that the shutter getting in the way. Happens to all cams once you go over the flash sync. LED banding is totally different and without variable shutter and even anti flicker is where the issue is
swldstn wrote:
I've shot a 1DX, A9, A9II, and now a A1 for BIF so Im used to fast frame rates up to 20 fps. Spoiled I guess. For indoor family events and weddings I need faster flash sync speeds and for some reason on the CR and CII Sony has kept that flash sync speed very low at 1/160th. I prefer at least 1/250th of a second like they had on the A7IV and A7RV and even on older A7x models. Sure you can make 1/160th work but I prefer the faster sync with moving subjects.
You need those high sync speeds for flash outdoors with sun and frankly the A9III with global shutter is even far better
Folks Sony always increased the feature sets of there bodies as new versions came out here they cut features to pack a small light cam. That’s okay but realize what they did.
GMPhotography wrote:
Stop there. I never ever said it was a bad camera ever I did say it is limited and be careful what you decide to pick.
Do not put words in my mouth. I did also say it’s a good casual travel cam where these issues don’t exist. I’ve been at this 50 years and very careful what I say
For the 600 more the A7RV has very few limitations. Problem as always your not buying a camera with feature sets but a size and weight compromise. Photography is about getting the image not a fashion badge. My 6700 does not have these limits and I shot a job last night with it. Rock solid too...Show more →
Did I ever in my reply say that YOU said so? My use of "you" is just generalizing. I guess I should have said "one".
GMPhotography wrote:
That’s not banding that the shutter getting in the way. Happens to all cams once you go over the flash sync. LED banding is totally different and without variable shutter and even anti flicker is where the issue is
Of course...I know that. Once again, I may have used the wrong term. Unfortunately, I do not have 50 years of experience at this.
I'm with Guy on this one. I am far from a pro but I do appreciate all advantages of the A7R5 over the CR when it comes to shooting portraits for my clients and taking pictures of my family and our travels.
The OP did ask for the same price or almost the same price which would be better - and that is undeniably the A7R5 (if you can't see that then it sounds like you're just justifying your CR purchase). Doesn't matter if the price we're talking about is not attainable by the whole world as most of us here on FredMiranda knows where to get these two cameras at the lower than sale prices.
Members downing the "specs" as it's just on paper... Come on seriously? The 4-axis screen? The EVF and LCD screen? The IBIS? The extra customizable buttons? The joystick? The dual slot? Come on...... And the penalty is weight that equals half a can of soda? And if I ever have to worry about that extra weight then there's a lot of things I have to reconsider with my life. It's not like the CR can slide inside my pockets in the first place...
Look the A7CR is a good camera, there's no denying that. If I have some extra cash I'd probably get one for my second camera. Just kidding, I'd take the 6700 instead
But hey, if you picked/prefer the CR that's awesome! I'm glad you're happy with your decision, just don't undermine the advantages of the A7R5...
GMPhotography wrote:
I can’t use it for Pro work. I shoot 40 k in images for two gigs a year under LED and make close to 20 grand doing it. The A7Rc won’t work as well as other models. So to me it’s a 20k net losss out if the gate. That’s not whining but real world reality. I need a A7RV or A9II or a A1, so pardon my comments as I have needs this cam can’t cover. So I’ll shut up and go sit in a corner because my comments are not valid. Is that what you’re saying. I’ve been on this forum for years helping you hobbyists but you guys can’t handle the reality. There are two sides going down the street not a one way
Honestly use the correct wording. Why I said I’m careful with words. Hate bad info and reason I’m here is to give back. I’m not here to argue but help make those decisions.
Jbantillo wrote:
I'm with Guy on this one. I am far from a pro but I do appreciate all advantages of the A7R5 over the CR when it comes to shooting portraits for my clients and taking pictures of my family and our travels.
The OP did ask for the same price or almost the same price which would be better - and that is undeniably the A7R5 (if you can't see that then it sounds like you're just justifying your CR purchase). Doesn't matter if the price we're talking about is not attainable by the whole world as most of us here on FredMiranda knows where to get these two cameras at the lower than sale prices.
Members downing the "specs" as it's just on paper... Come on seriously? The 4-axis screen? The EVF and LCD screen? The IBIS? The extra customizable buttons? The joystick? The dual slot? Come on...... And the penalty is weight that equals half a can of soda? And if I ever have to worry about that extra weight then there's a lot of things I have to reconsider with my life. It's not like the CR can slide inside my pockets in the first place...
Look the A7CR is a good camera, there's no denying that. If I have some extra cash I'd probably get one for my second camera. Just kidding, I'd take the 6700 instead
But hey, if you picked/prefer the CR that's awesome! I'm glad you're happy with your decision, just don't undermine the advantages of the A7R5... ...Show more →
There is no denying that everyone here knows that A7R5 is a better camera but for someone who needs a more compact camera and 61MP, A7CR might be the way to go. Yes, weight difference is not that much but you have to look at the volume too. It takes up less space than A7R5. Everyone praised Sony for releasing a smaller/lighter 35GM but if you compare it with Zeiss 35 f1.4, it was not that much, but, every oz/g counts. We do this with other things too: phones, laptop, etc.
Cameras are incredibly personal. Some people love the weight savings and smaller form factor, others think you can get the same savings if you had just avoided that extra plate of turkey during thanksgiving (I'm borrowing the arguments from cyclists on riding the lightest possible bike ). Some people love the flexibility of the 60mp sensors, others think 60mp is the most "egregious" sensor ever produced for the mass market because absolutely no one needs 60mp. Because there are so many use cases for these cameras, the best way to help OP or anyone else who comes to this thread is to share your personal experiences while being mindful that other photographers might not have the same priorities.
That said, most professionals know what they want or need, it is the new hobbyist or amateurs who really benefit from learning the different use cases of the cameras as they start to develop their photography.
Okay there was no internet , no email and no real communication to even learn and gas was 25 cents. You learned by doing and do your homework. Today everyone wants the free ride.
You guys are missing the whole point here . You getting vast experience here to watch your back because Sony went backwards to give you that small and light. Pay attention stop attacking my way into all of this and my experience. I am trying to help, don't care how much or how little you spend or if it even works or not for you. Im just specking the camera has for YOU to decide . Im not buying it and don't care at all . Take the free advice and put it in your homework basket. With that im out not going to waste my time and get insults in return. Photography and the ART of it has never been about the gear but always about how to use it( im just giving the abilities of it). You miss that point get another hobby
I can imagine A7CR with 24+50 1.4GM or 20 1.8G (or 16-35PZ) +35 1.4GM+65 F2DN, as a compact high resolution setup. For more compact but lower resolution primes I'd consider A7CII. A7CR a bit I want everything compromise, still with smaller GM lenses I'd use the grip and detached with smaller and lower resolution primes (as A7CII) for the most lightweight situations.
If you want use only high quality zooms and high resolve primes I'd go with A7RV, if you want only lightweight than A7CII.
For me the articulating screen is dealbreaker for photography. Tilting screen for waist level shooting is a way to go and I like to keep the view on lens axis. 4 way tilting screen would be perfect (for portrait). Also that A7RV's EVF is just not comparable with A7RC, especially if you tend to use EVF and do MF. But for hiking with a small prime (35 2.8ZF) in 26MP mode a7CR is more fun than A7RV and 35 1.4GM (half weight and more compact).
). Some people love the flexibility of the 60mp sensors, others think 60mp is the most "egregious" sensor ever produced for the mass market because absolutely no one needs 60mp. Because there are so many use cases for these cameras, the best way to help OP or anyone else who comes to this thread is to share your personal experiences while being mindful that other photographers might not have the same priorities.