phinix wrote:
What would be better choice now for family/travel photography - Nikon Zf or Sony body, like A7III, A7C etc
I don't know anything about Nikon system. How's Nikon's autofocus?
Is it better than Sony in anything?
In my opinion, all the options above are probably good enough for your use case. It comes down to which body you like aesthetically and what lenses you want. The Nikon lens selection is still a lot more limited than Sony but it's probably good enough. The only other consideration is how much do you care about video.
I do think the Nikon ZF is a nicer looking camera but it's probably not worth an additional $800 or so over what it would take to buy a used Sony A7C ($2000 MSRP vs something like $1100 for a used sony a7c these days). The other consideration is that Nikon only has two retro inspired lenses today that fits the looks of the ZF so unless you're committed to 28mm and 40mm, there aren't that many options. Also, I don't think either of those lenses are particularly good form an image quality perspective - their closest sony equivalents are probably better (24mm f2.8 G and 40mm f2.5 G).
Practical choice: Sony A7C with 28-60mm kit zoom and 40mm f2.5 G if you want to keep it small. (Entire kit is probably $2k)
Better aesthetics choice: Nikon ZF with the 28mm and 40mm primes. (Entire kit probably around $2500 to $3k)
I'm not sure the Sony A7C II is meaningfully better over the Sony A7C and I'm not sure the small lenses for Sony can deliver the image quality on 61mp for the Sony A7CR so personally I'd skip those. There's other benefits too but I don't think they're meaningful unless you're really into video - I don't think Nikon has anything like S-Cinetone if you want a nice out of the box video color profile
Max Power wrote:
I think most Nikon users in these forums will tell you they are not the best at everything. I do notice some go on the defensive quite a bit because, well........they kind of have to.
It's strange that it often seems to be the people who have little or no experience with any of the other brands who get the most defensive, though...
If the people who want to talk about Sony all the time would just stick to their own forums, we wouldn't see this defensiveness.
It's hard to discuss a topic titled "Nikon Zf or Sony camera" without mentioning Sony, isn't it? At least it wasn't cross-posted to both forums, thankfully.
I also am a bit annoyed about the OP that he posts a question and have never reteturned. Not a very good forum etiquett if you ask me. There are ton of great and valid responses here,but,he never saw them, or thank to the responses, while things get heated, and now feels like everyone is spinning their wheels, but for what?
Also we all know where we generally stand and will less likely not change our view one way or the other, but that is all good. We all have our differences, and as far as I am concerned, diversity is really important. I just don’t think it is worth it when discussions turned into a nit pick argument to a brand war. OP’s initial so called question also looks very crafty to make sure to bring out another brand war. It may not have been the intent, but from his posting history and now this, it really makes me wonder whether he really cares about getting a ZF or, he just wanted to start a fire.
phinix wrote:
What would be better choice now for family/travel photography - Nikon Zf or Sony body, like A7III, A7C etc
I don't know anything about Nikon system. How's Nikon's autofocus?
Is it better than Sony in anything?
He goes, “I don’t know anything about Nikon system,” but he knows to make sure to ask how the AF is on Nikon. Not ergo, not AE, not about compatibility or easy menu system, or good cheap zoom lens, no. It is about AF, for what, family/ travel? Wow, that would not be my one question to ask. Then he goes “Is it any better than Sony in ANYTHInG?”
Very crafty, don’t you all think ? I am usually not this sarcastic, and I will be happy to change my view if OP shows and prove me wrong.
akul wrote:
Gents, let’s cool down a bit. It ain’t worth it.
I also am a bit annoyed about the OP that he posts a question and have never reteturned. Not a very good forum etiquett if you ask me. There are ton of great and valid responses here,but,he never saw them, or thank to the responses, while things get heated, and now feels like everyone is spinning their wheels, but for what?
Also we all know where we generally stand and will less likely not change our view one way or the other, but that is all good. We all have our differences, and as far as I am concerned, diversity is really important. I just don’t think it is worth it when discussions turned into a nit pick argument to a brand war. OP’s initial so called question also looks very crafty to make sure to bring out another brand war. It may not have been the intent, but from his posting history and now this, it really makes me wonder whether he really cares about getting a ZF or, he just wanted to start a fire.
He goes, “I don’t know anything about Nikon system,” but he knows to make sure to ask how the AF is on Nikon. Not ergo, not AE, not about compatibility or easy me you system , no. It is about AF, for what, family/ travel? Wow, that would not be my one question to ask. Then he goes “Is it any better than Sony in ANYTHInG?
Very crafty, don’t you all think ? I am usually not this sarcastic, and I will be happy to change my view if OP shows and prove me wrong.
That's probably true, but for some reason the Nikon "my brand is the best" bias seems to reach toxic levels on this forum. As much as I like Nikon (my primary camera system), you have to hold your nose to participate in some of these discussions...
Every system has their pros and cons, it's just a matter of what pros and cons you want to put up with. The only affordable things of note I haven't shot with are Canon, Olympus and Panasonic and this is because I honestly can't shoot with everything out of my own pocket. Used Sony until the A7RIV and just hit a point where I was not enjoying it and the stuff wasn't living up to hype levels so slowly got rid of the stuff. And even with that you'd have to search my search history for like the last year and you'd probably have to be really pedantic to catch me brand bashing the way other posters do.
Every system has their pros and cons, it's just a matter of what pros and cons you want to put up with. The only affordable things of note I haven't shot with are Canon, Olympus and Panasonic and this is because I honestly can't shoot with everything out of my own pocket. Used Sony until the A7RIV and just hit a point where I was not enjoying it and the stuff wasn't living up to hype levels so slowly got rid of the stuff. And even with that you'd have to search my search history for like the last year and you'd probably have to be really pedantic to catch me brand bashing the way other posters do....Show more →
I love how people will say I have an axe to grind against Fuji when I recommend Sony over Fuji, and I actually own Fuji and no Sony
The general FM population must have drool stains on their shirts.
That fake account has won three awards on here though. Were those fake awards? saaketham wrote:
Could be "someone's" fake account .. created for just this purpose?
What awards?
I am just wondering why the OP hasn't returned to comment or reply to anyone and ...
account was created in Feb 2022 At the height of the Great Troll Wars !!!
I don't know this guy saaketham wrote:
What awards?
I am just wondering why the OP hasn't returned to comment or reply to anyone and ...
account was created in Feb 2022 At the height of the Great Troll Wars !!!
molson wrote:
It's strange that it often seems to be the people who have little or no experience with any of the other brands who get the most defensive, though...
It's hard to discuss a topic titled "Nikon Zf or Sony camera" without mentioning Sony, isn't it? At least it wasn't cross-posted to both forums, thankfully.
A portion of the defensiveness isn't about whether the Sony is better at something, it's often about why am I in the Nikon forum reading about Sony all the dang time?
And yes, in a Nikon vs Sony thread, of course there will be talk about Sony, hopefully specifically about the models the OP asked about. But then per usual the Sony Chamber of Commerce shows up with all the PR on cameras the OP didn't ask about, and here we are, 4 pages on of yet, more Sony. Sony Sony Sony.
1bwana1 wrote:
I strongly prefer the looks in row 1. It is a beautiful camera and a strong performer no doubt about it.
Looks-wise, yes. The Zfc and Zf look gorgeous.
Wish Sony would make a camera as sexy as their Playstation, with a1 or a7R5 internals!!!
Max Power wrote:
A portion of the defensiveness isn't about whether the Sony is better at something, it's often about why am I in the Nikon forum reading about Sony all the dang time?
And yes, in a Nikon vs Sony thread, of course there will be talk about Sony, hopefully specifically about the models the OP asked about. But then per usual the Sony Chamber of Commerce shows up with all the PR on cameras the OP didn't ask about, and here we are, 4 pages on of yet, more Sony. Sony Sony Sony.
I think the Nikon side of things must bear a great deal of the responsibility when threads degrade like this. In my original post I feel like I was being honest and not aggressive in my opinion. He specifically asked about the differences in AF. In the first place my discussion of Sony AF was brought up to say that the cameras he specifically asked about were older models that didn't have Sony's latest AF technology and the should consider other models if that was a primary concern of his. I then went on to say the the Zf was Nikons latest and had very good AF, at least as good as the models in Sony that he was considering.
In summary I said that if his choices were as stated that he should actually decide based on other attributes. I even said that my views on Sony reflected a preference.
I think all of that was reasonable, and not intended to incite brand wars. But the usual Nikon attack gang took one line out of it where I said I believed that Sony's latest AF technology was the best, and launched their usual attacks. They tried to claim a standard that they themselves don't follow. I had even supplied a link to another thread here on FM where Zf AF was being specifically discussed in depth so he could judge for himself.
So to me it seems that it was the Nikon guys who turned this thread South. This is very often the case. It is like they want some sort of purity in though and expression of it. Extending of course to who has the right, no matter how polite to take part in discussions in the Nikon Forum. A point of view I strongly reject. I still feel that my post was respectful of peoples choices and not an inflammatory Sony brand war post in the least. Absolutely appropriate to be posted in the Nikon Forum.
Just so you can easily verify my first response post in this thread I have quoted it below.
"The Zf is Nikon's most recent camera and therefore has it's newest AF technology. It seems to be very good.
The Sony A7II, and A7c are older generation Sony cameras. They do have excellent AF, however technology as always marches forward. They and the Zf are likely very close. The latest Sony cameras with the dedicated AI driven AF processors are at an unmatched level in non stacked sensor cameras so far. But, to get that you need to get an A7RV or one of the new A7CII or A7CR cameras. These also have newer, higher resolution Sony sensors than the Zf, which is using an old lower resolution sensor from the Z6 (still very good IQ though).
Really at this point, operated competently, the AF of all of these cameras is amazing. I wouldn't let that be the sole deciding factor. I suggest you go to a store where you can handle each of them. Choose based on the one that you like the ergonomics, lens choices, workflow, and has the looks that appeal to you. They are all going to produce amazing, great images. How much you enjoy the shooting experience should be your highest priority at this time.
Sony doesn't have these issues even in their previous generation cameras. . I much prefer the simple straight forward workflow of the Sony AF system. It just works, and doesn't seem to be as finicky about small things in the workflow as the Nikon cameras."
I think most Nikon users in these forums will tell you they are not the best at everything. I do notice some go on the defensive quite a bit because, well........they kind of have to. If the people who want to talk about Sony all the time would just stick to their own forums, we wouldn't see this defensiveness.
If I ever could be bothered to go to the Sony forum, I would probably not see nearly as much Nikon content over there than we see Sony content here.
I knew right away when I saw this thread it was gonna be a problem and who was going to show up. ...Show more →
To be honest, I did not know that my thread is going to draw attention like that
phinix wrote:
To be honest, I did not know that my thread is going to draw attention like that
In my opinion if your question was sincere you made no mistake in posting it where and how you did. The primary fault in this thread is the knee jerk aggressive responses from some of the Nikon fanboys. But we must give them some slack in this regard. They had to suffer some years of abuse during the time Nikon was lagging badly. Those days are now past. But some haven't recognized that yet and tend to be overly sensitive still.
