p.1 #1 · New M-Mount 28/1.4 and 35/1.4 from Thypoch
Very curious about these two. Anybody know any more info about them, the company, or know of any sample images? Particularly interested in the 28/1.4. But what handsome lenses.
p.1 #2 · New M-Mount 28/1.4 and 35/1.4 from Thypoch
Very interesting. A bit on the larger side, but not too big. The unique DOF scale and using a closer minimum focus with rangefinder coupling feedback makes me very interested.
p.1 #3 · New M-Mount 28/1.4 and 35/1.4 from Thypoch
It's the first I've heard of them. None of our distributors work directly with the little Chinese makers, so I can't help with information. The lenses do look interesting. Maybe Bastian will get his hands on them for review.
p.1 #4 · New M-Mount 28/1.4 and 35/1.4 from Thypoch
Valorin wrote:
Very interesting. A bit on the larger side, but not too big. The unique DOF scale and using a closer minimum focus with rangefinder coupling feedback makes me very interested.
I wish Cosina would start implementing this "feedback" on their lenses!
p.1 #5 · New M-Mount 28/1.4 and 35/1.4 from Thypoch
Fred Miranda wrote:
I wish Cosina would start implementing this "feedback" on their lenses!
Main problem is, being a traditional japanese company, they don't care about customer feedback and there isn't even an option to give them feedback.
p.1 #6 · New M-Mount 28/1.4 and 35/1.4 from Thypoch
BastianK wrote:
Main problem is, being a traditional japanese company, they don't care about customer feedback and there isn't even an option to give them feedback.
I've been repeatedly sharing my feedback with Cosina about this issue, but unfortunately, they haven't made any improvements to their new lenses yet.
p.1 #8 · New M-Mount 28/1.4 and 35/1.4 from Thypoch
Valorin wrote:
Very interesting. A bit on the larger side, but not too big. The unique DOF scale and using a closer minimum focus with rangefinder coupling feedback makes me very interested.
I can't tell if I like or dislike the DOF scale yet!
p.1 #10 · New M-Mount 28/1.4 and 35/1.4 from Thypoch
I'm honestly not even sure how the DOF scale actually works. I assume the red indicator moves up to the other holes as you change focus. But how does it indicate how DOF changes with aperture?
p.1 #11 · New M-Mount 28/1.4 and 35/1.4 from Thypoch
Valorin wrote:
I'm honestly not even sure how the DOF scale actually works. I assume the red indicator moves up to the other holes as you change focus. But how does it indicate how DOF changes with aperture?
The dots on the DOF scale move with the aperture control ring. One just has to project their position on the focus ring scale to read the depth information.
This has been used on some older lenses that I do not remember off the bat. Lines running from the dots to the focus ring would help with readability in my opinion.
p.1 #12 · New M-Mount 28/1.4 and 35/1.4 from Thypoch
BastianK wrote:
Main problem is, being a traditional japanese company, they don't care about customer feedback and there isn't even an option to give them feedback.
I think they listen to photo forum talk. Many complaints were e. g. raised about two things in the past: Separately sold hoods to M lenses which were not included with the lens itself and easy scratching of black lens paint. Both issues were silently resolved later.
p.1 #13 · New M-Mount 28/1.4 and 35/1.4 from Thypoch
Thury wrote:
The dots on the DOF scale move with the aperture control ring. One just has to project their position on the focus ring scale to read the depth information.
This has been used on some older lenses that I do not remember off the bat. Lines running from the dots to the focus ring would help with readability in my opinion.
+1. In the past some older SLR zoom lenses used a similar DoF scale but with curved lines instead of the distinct punch holes. The holes here are more accurate and look pretty cool IMO.
This said, what I am still missing here - as in many other lenses nowadays! - are infrared marks showing the focus shift when using infrared light on this scale. This would also indicate if the lens can be used in IR without hot spot etc.
p.1 #15 · New M-Mount 28/1.4 and 35/1.4 from Thypoch
Valorin wrote:
I'm honestly not even sure how the DOF scale actually works. I assume the red indicator moves up to the other holes as you change focus. But how does it indicate how DOF changes with aperture?
Thury wrote:
The dots on the DOF scale move with the aperture control ring. One just has to project their position on the focus ring scale to read the depth information.
This has been used on some older lenses that I do not remember off the bat. Lines running from the dots to the focus ring would help with readability in my opinion.
It's kind of an interesting twist on DoF scales, but can't help but think it also traps them in a design style for future designs that otherwise could be made smaller by not wasting so much space for all the dots.
BastianK wrote:
Main problem is, being a traditional japanese company, they don't care about customer feedback and there isn't even an option to give them feedback.
retrofocus wrote:
I think they listen to photo forum talk. Many complaints were e. g. raised about two things in the past: Separately sold hoods to M lenses which were not included with the lens itself and easy scratching of black lens paint. Both issues were silently resolved later.
Also Cosina's inconsistent external design has seemingly become somewhat less inconsistent lately with lenses such as the 'type 2' 21/3.5, 28/2, 28/2.8, 35/2... Things which have been complained about in numerous past threads.
p.1 #16 · New M-Mount 28/1.4 and 35/1.4 from Thypoch
Thury wrote:
The dots on the DOF scale move with the aperture control ring. One just has to project their position on the focus ring scale to read the depth information. This has been used on some older lenses that I do not remember off the bat. Lines running from the dots to the focus ring would help with readability in my opinion.
Kern-Paillard lenses for 8mm and 16mm Bolex cmeras from the '50s and '60s. The name of this system was Visifocus.
p.1 #17 · New M-Mount 28/1.4 and 35/1.4 from Thypoch
It will be interesting to see what $700 buys with these lenses. The price is kind of in a gray zone, IMO. A bit pricy to just buy on impulse but at about 2x many of the other made-in-China models, suggests a better lens. Because when you spend more, you get a better quality product, right??
Unrelated, but after reading through all the marketing gibberish I have to wonder if there's a special copywriting school in China from which these lens companies hire their marketing staff? It's almost comical, the verbosity.
Looking forward to some user results. Anyone here planning to get these?
p.1 #18 · New M-Mount 28/1.4 and 35/1.4 from Thypoch
rscheffler wrote:
It will be interesting to see what $700 buys with these lenses. The price is kind of in a gray zone, IMO. A bit pricy to just buy on impulse but at about 2x many of the other made-in-China models, suggests a better lens. Because when you spend more, you get a better quality product, right??
Unrelated, but after reading through all the marketing gibberish I have to wonder if there's a special copywriting school in China from which these lens companies hire their marketing staff? It's almost comical, the verbosity.
Looking forward to some user results. Anyone here planning to get these? ...Show more →
$700?
That is a heavy lift. Yeah they can focus down to .45m. But I hate the font they used - looks very cheap and basic to me, and the 7A 28 1.4 is about $400. I had one and while I didn’t enjoy the size or mechanics much, optically it was really good.
And at $700 you can get a Nokton 35 1.4II for $600 new, or the 35 1.5 for $900.
I think they are seeing how far they can push the pricing and frankly no way would I spend that much on these.
p.1 #19 · New M-Mount 28/1.4 and 35/1.4 from Thypoch
Were they interested in constructive design feedback, I would suggest greater finesse for the font size and type used. '0.80.9' seems to indicate a rushed or careless job. Also, the pale orange (red would be better) metres scale lies above the white scale that should (for usability) be placed atop the orange scale.
