Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
p.17 #1Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
highdesertmesa wrote:
– Small and light
– Satisfying aperture ring clicks
– Aperture ring design that is easy to find and operate by feel
– Smooth focusing
– Minimalist hood
– Great image qualityGreat summary! I would also add low distortion, as it's not very common with compact wide-angle lenses.
Are you using a filter behind the hood?Thanks! Edited to add "low distortion" to the post. Yes, I originally had a B+W Master clear but switched to a Leica UV. The B+W for some reason showed a very slight negative effect on sharpness at the edges of the frame that I don't see with the Leica UV (when viewed at 300% from the M11M, tested without the hood). Not sure why, but I've had this issue pop up on a few other lenses over the years with a B+W clear. I wonder if the very useful but perhaps thicker B+W MRC coatings are to blame, but that's just a wild guess. The Leica filter and the B+W Orange F-Pro filter I use have fairly thick rings, and I don't see any additional vignetting when I add the hood.I mainly use B+W but have been changing to Leica filters when they come up in the correct size. That's because Lenrentals' testing showed they do transmit more and have fewer internal reflections (which basically shows up on night scenes w points of light).It's just too bad the Leica filters have aluminum rings instead of brass 
Weren't the version 1 filters heavier and made out of brass?
Desmolicious wrote
highdesertmesa wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
highdesertmesa wrote
Overall, I think this lens is going to be the perfect walk-around 28mm solution for me.– Small and light
– Satisfying aperture ring clicks
– Aperture ring design that is easy to find and operate by feel
– Smooth focusing
– Minimalist hood
– Great image quality
Are you using a filter behind the hood?
Weren't the version 1 filters heavier and made out of brass?
Feb 19, 2024 at 04:43 PM
p.17 #2Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
Fred Miranda wrote:
– Small and light
– Satisfying aperture ring clicks
– Aperture ring design that is easy to find and operate by feel
– Smooth focusing
– Minimalist hood
– Great image qualityGreat summary! I would also add low distortion, as it's not very common with compact wide-angle lenses.
Are you using a filter behind the hood?Thanks! Edited to add "low distortion" to the post. Yes, I originally had a B+W Master clear but switched to a Leica UV. The B+W for some reason showed a very slight negative effect on sharpness at the edges of the frame that I don't see with the Leica UV (when viewed at 300% from the M11M, tested without the hood). Not sure why, but I've had this issue pop up on a few other lenses over the years with a B+W clear. I wonder if the very useful but perhaps thicker B+W MRC coatings are to blame, but that's just a wild guess. The Leica filter and the B+W Orange F-Pro filter I use have fairly thick rings, and I don't see any additional vignetting when I add the hood.I mainly use B+W but have been changing to Leica filters when they come up in the correct size. That's because Lenrentals' testing showed they do transmit more and have fewer internal reflections (which basically shows up on night scenes w points of light).It's just too bad the Leica filters have aluminum rings instead of brass Weren't the version 1 filters heavier and made out of brass?
I don't know. I have the previous version (not sure if that's the first version or not) of a 39mm in silver [13132]. It seems to be about twice as heavy as the equivalent B+W, so it may be brass. That filter came with an older silver chrome on brass lens I purchased used. I replaced it with the newer version because the coatings are supposed to be better, but I kept the old one just to have around.
highdesertmesa wrote
Desmolicious wrote
highdesertmesa wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
highdesertmesa wrote
Overall, I think this lens is going to be the perfect walk-around 28mm solution for me.– Small and light
– Satisfying aperture ring clicks
– Aperture ring design that is easy to find and operate by feel
– Smooth focusing
– Minimalist hood
– Great image quality
Are you using a filter behind the hood?
I don't know. I have the previous version (not sure if that's the first version or not) of a 39mm in silver [13132]. It seems to be about twice as heavy as the equivalent B+W, so it may be brass. That filter came with an older silver chrome on brass lens I purchased used. I replaced it with the newer version because the coatings are supposed to be better, but I kept the old one just to have around.
Feb 19, 2024 at 06:11 PM
p.17 #3Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
robsonj wrote:
– Small and light
– Satisfying aperture ring clicks
– Aperture ring design that is easy to find and operate by feel
– Smooth focusing
– Minimalist hood
– Great image qualityIt's incredible on the m11m. Took it out yesterday, the weight is getting close to GRIII levels!
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53523456208_45e86570f8_h.jpg
L1000497.jpg by Jonathan Robson, on FlickrHow's the vignetting going on it. Is this image corrected for the vignetting, or is this the level of vignetting you're getting from it at 
aperture?
Curious about the focusing haptics in the Type I vs. the Type II differences?Here is the original dng, I think I shot it at f/5.6...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/g7a2u2apwnc1plm/L1000497.DNG?dl=0Is this file still available?I took it down once Rusty got it. Suffice to say though, my image does have a lot of vignette added, I like vignette… I’m getting treatment 😀, lemme know if you still wanna take a look
I would be great to see a DNG or two with this lens. RAW files always tell a better story
hmzimelka wrote
robsonj wrote
RustyBug wrote
robsonj wrote
highdesertmesa wrote
Overall, I think this lens is going to be the perfect walk-around 28mm solution for me.– Small and light
– Satisfying aperture ring clicks
– Aperture ring design that is easy to find and operate by feel
– Smooth focusing
– Minimalist hood
– Great image quality
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53523456208_45e86570f8_h.jpg
L1000497.jpg by Jonathan Robson, on Flickr
aperture?Curious about the focusing haptics in the Type I vs. the Type II differences?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/g7a2u2apwnc1plm/L1000497.DNG?dl=0
I would be great to see a DNG or two with this lens. RAW files always tell a better story
Feb 20, 2024 at 12:52 AM
p.17 #4Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
hmzimelka wrote:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53523456208_45e86570f8_h.jpg
L1000497.jpg by Jonathan Robson, on FlickrHow's the vignetting going on it. Is this image corrected for the vignetting, or is this the level of vignetting you're getting from it at aperture?
Curious about the focusing haptics in the Type I vs. the Type II differences?Here is the original dng, I think I shot it at f/5.6...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/g7a2u2apwnc1plm/L1000497.DNG?dl=0Is this file still available?I took it down once Rusty got it. Suffice to say though, my image does have a lot of vignette added, I like vignette… I’m getting treatment 😀, lemme know if you still wanna take a lookI would be great to see a DNG or two with this lens. RAW files always tell a better story
I'll share a link to a DNG file of a clear sky scene taken wide open as soon as the weather allows.
robsonj wrote
hmzimelka wrote
robsonj wrote
RustyBug wrote
robsonj wrote
It's incredible on the m11m. Took it out yesterday, the weight is getting close to GRIII levels!https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53523456208_45e86570f8_h.jpg
L1000497.jpg by Jonathan Robson, on Flickr
aperture?Curious about the focusing haptics in the Type I vs. the Type II differences?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/g7a2u2apwnc1plm/L1000497.DNG?dl=0
I'll share a link to a DNG file of a clear sky scene taken wide open as soon as the weather allows.
Feb 24, 2024 at 09:57 PM
p.17 #5Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
hmzimelka wrote:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53523456208_45e86570f8_h.jpg
L1000497.jpg by Jonathan Robson, on FlickrHow's the vignetting going on it. Is this image corrected for the vignetting, or is this the level of vignetting you're getting from it at aperture?
Curious about the focusing haptics in the Type I vs. the Type II differences?Here is the original dng, I think I shot it at f/5.6...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/g7a2u2apwnc1plm/L1000497.DNG?dl=0Is this file still available?I took it down once Rusty got it. Suffice to say though, my image does have a lot of vignette added, I like vignette… I’m getting treatment 😀, lemme know if you still wanna take a lookI would be great to see a DNG or two with this lens. RAW files always tell a better story
The file looked pretty good ... with a bit of a caveat. The sky may have been overexposed / blown a smidge. I pulled things down to try and get a better gage on the vignetting, but recovery only went so far. So, while the vignetting looked decent ... it may have been a skewed interpretation.
+1 to see some more examples of the vignetting. Maybe even shot at different exposure brackets (e.g. +1 EV, 0 EV, -2 EV, etc. ) to see how the vignetting responds. I know it should seem that vignetting variance wouldn't matter much, as it should just ride up / down with the exposure (via shutter speed, diff's). Of course, seeing how it progresses through the apertures is good to understand, too.
But it could be interesting to see the aesthetic combinations that difference exposure bracketing provides, too.
robsonj wrote
hmzimelka wrote
robsonj wrote
RustyBug wrote
robsonj wrote
It's incredible on the m11m. Took it out yesterday, the weight is getting close to GRIII levels!https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53523456208_45e86570f8_h.jpg
L1000497.jpg by Jonathan Robson, on Flickr
aperture?Curious about the focusing haptics in the Type I vs. the Type II differences?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/g7a2u2apwnc1plm/L1000497.DNG?dl=0
The file looked pretty good ... with a bit of a caveat. The sky may have been overexposed / blown a smidge. I pulled things down to try and get a better gage on the vignetting, but recovery only went so far. So, while the vignetting looked decent ... it may have been a skewed interpretation.
+1 to see some more examples of the vignetting. Maybe even shot at different exposure brackets (e.g. +1 EV, 0 EV, -2 EV, etc. ) to see how the vignetting responds. I know it should seem that vignetting variance wouldn't matter much, as it should just ride up / down with the exposure (via shutter speed, diff's). Of course, seeing how it progresses through the apertures is good to understand, too.
But it could be interesting to see the aesthetic combinations that difference exposure bracketing provides, too.
Feb 25, 2024 at 07:38 AM
p.17 #6Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
Here is one shot at f8 on the M11...
L1000004.jpg by Jonathan Robson, on Flickr
L1000004.jpg by Jonathan Robson, on Flickr
Feb 26, 2024 at 03:26 PM
p.17 #7Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
hmzimelka wrote:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53523456208_45e86570f8_h.jpg
L1000497.jpg by Jonathan Robson, on FlickrHow's the vignetting going on it. Is this image corrected for the vignetting, or is this the level of vignetting you're getting from it at aperture?
Curious about the focusing haptics in the Type I vs. the Type II differences?Here is the original dng, I think I shot it at f/5.6...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/g7a2u2apwnc1plm/L1000497.DNG?dl=0Is this file still available?I took it down once Rusty got it. Suffice to say though, my image does have a lot of vignette added, I like vignette… I’m getting treatment 😀, lemme know if you still wanna take a lookI would be great to see a DNG or two with this lens. RAW files always tell a better story
Apologies for the delay. We experienced overcast weather here.
Here are three images taken at f/2.8, f/4, and f/5.6 with no in-camera profile applied. These are DNG files.
Also I've included a 4 images demonstrating the best in-camera profile correction I found for this lens, the Leica 28/5.6 Summaron lens, although the Leica 28/2.8 Elmarit is also a great option.
To my eyes, the lens without any profile at f/5.6 produces vignetting similar to when the lens is wide open using the 28 Summaron 6-bit code.
You can download all DNG files here: https://www.fredmiranda.com/Buzz/Archive28.zip
LEFT (out of the camera at f/5.6, in-camera profile set to OFF) | RIGHT (Wide open using the 28 Summaron 6-bit code)
robsonj wrote
hmzimelka wrote
robsonj wrote
RustyBug wrote
robsonj wrote
It's incredible on the m11m. Took it out yesterday, the weight is getting close to GRIII levels!https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53523456208_45e86570f8_h.jpg
L1000497.jpg by Jonathan Robson, on Flickr
aperture?Curious about the focusing haptics in the Type I vs. the Type II differences?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/g7a2u2apwnc1plm/L1000497.DNG?dl=0
Apologies for the delay. We experienced overcast weather here.
Here are three images taken at f/2.8, f/4, and f/5.6 with no in-camera profile applied. These are DNG files.
Also I've included a 4 images demonstrating the best in-camera profile correction I found for this lens, the Leica 28/5.6 Summaron lens, although the Leica 28/2.8 Elmarit is also a great option.
To my eyes, the lens without any profile at f/5.6 produces vignetting similar to when the lens is wide open using the 28 Summaron 6-bit code.
You can download all DNG files here: https://www.fredmiranda.com/Buzz/Archive28.zip
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Mar 04, 2024 at 07:51 PM
p.17 #8Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
Go to the windy rooftop to enjoy the scenery.
BTW, It is the cutest lens I have ever seen.
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BTW, It is the cutest lens I have ever seen.
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Mar 06, 2024 at 09:08 AM
p.17 #9Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
I've had this lens for less than a week and so far I am loving it.
Walking around with this and the old 50/2.5 Skopar LTM is a real joy.
Walking around with this and the old 50/2.5 Skopar LTM is a real joy.
Mar 06, 2024 at 12:07 PM
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p.17 #11Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
A few from a few days on Toronto...
Mostly shooting from the hip, so pardon the focus on some. The street is really what this lens was built for imho.
L1000284.jpg by Jonathan Robson, on Flickr
L1000318.jpg by Jonathan Robson, on Flickr
L1000696.jpg by Jonathan Robson, on Flickr
L1000694.jpg by Jonathan Robson, on Flickr
L1000689.jpg by Jonathan Robson, on Flickr
L1000700.jpg by Jonathan Robson, on Flickr
L1000672.jpg by Jonathan Robson, on Flickr
L1000664.jpg by Jonathan Robson, on Flickr
L1000673.jpg by Jonathan Robson, on Flickr
Mostly shooting from the hip, so pardon the focus on some. The street is really what this lens was built for imho.
L1000284.jpg by Jonathan Robson, on Flickr
L1000318.jpg by Jonathan Robson, on Flickr
L1000696.jpg by Jonathan Robson, on Flickr
L1000694.jpg by Jonathan Robson, on Flickr
L1000689.jpg by Jonathan Robson, on Flickr
L1000700.jpg by Jonathan Robson, on Flickr
L1000672.jpg by Jonathan Robson, on Flickr
L1000664.jpg by Jonathan Robson, on Flickr
L1000673.jpg by Jonathan Robson, on Flickr
Mar 06, 2024 at 08:40 PM
p.17 #12Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
Those are excellent.
Agree on it being an excellent street lens. The focus tab is perfect for indexing focus range by feel.
Agree on it being an excellent street lens. The focus tab is perfect for indexing focus range by feel.
Mar 07, 2024 at 11:06 AM
p.17 #13Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
robsonj wrote:
A few from a few days on Toronto...
Great shots! I see on your Flickr that you posted a bunch of B&W concert shots with a 28mm lens as well; were those also taken with this Color-Skopar?
A few from a few days on Toronto...
Great shots! I see on your Flickr that you posted a bunch of B&W concert shots with a 28mm lens as well; were those also taken with this Color-Skopar?
Mar 07, 2024 at 01:47 PM
p.17 #14Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
Does anyone have both this lens and a Leica M10/11 body and a Fuji X100V or VI? If so, how much bigger is this lens setup on a Leica M body vs a X100V?
Mar 07, 2024 at 02:57 PM
p.17 #15Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
I wonder if CV will release a 35mm version in the future. I haven't taken this little 28 off my zf since I picked it up. It's a great size and would love to have a 35 option.
Mar 07, 2024 at 03:02 PM
p.17 #16Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
photonc wrote:
I wonder if CV will release a 35mm version in the future. I haven't taken this little 28 off my zf since I picked it up. It's a great size and would love to have a 35 option.
You mean like this?
https://www.voigtlaender.de/lenses/vm/35-mm-12-5-color-skopar-pancake-ii/?lang=en
I wonder if CV will release a 35mm version in the future. I haven't taken this little 28 off my zf since I picked it up. It's a great size and would love to have a 35 option.
You mean like this?
https://www.voigtlaender.de/lenses/vm/35-mm-12-5-color-skopar-pancake-ii/?lang=en
Mar 07, 2024 at 04:19 PM
p.17 #17Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
bjhurley wrote:
photonc wrote
I wonder if CV will release a 35mm version in the future. I haven't taken this little 28 off my zf since I picked it up. It's a great size and would love to have a 35 option.https://www.voigtlaender.de/lenses/vm/35-mm-12-5-color-skopar-pancake-ii/?lang=en
The pancake is cool, but it’s a different approach that sacrifices IQ for size.
Mar 07, 2024 at 04:31 PM
p.17 #18Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
highdesertmesa wrote:
The pancake is cool, but it’s a different approach that sacrifices IQ for size.
Ah, okay, but it is the 35mm Color-Skopar.
I actually have the LTM version, which is pretty nice. There's a thread devoted to this lens with examples (mostly M but a few LTM as well, along with comparisons with the 35/2 Ultron): https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1659606/
The pancake is cool, but it’s a different approach that sacrifices IQ for size.
Ah, okay, but it is the 35mm Color-Skopar.
I actually have the LTM version, which is pretty nice. There's a thread devoted to this lens with examples (mostly M but a few LTM as well, along with comparisons with the 35/2 Ultron): https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1659606/
Mar 07, 2024 at 04:32 PM
p.17 #19Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
Yeah, I think that design is a little long in the tooth and designed for film. For non-m bodies I believe there is significant color shift due to the sensor glass. I guess my wish list would be a 35mm 2.8 Skopar III with the same design as the 28.
Mar 07, 2024 at 05:46 PM
p.17 #20Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Review
bjhurley wrote:
Great shots! I see on your Flickr that you posted a bunch of B&W concert shots with a 28mm lens as well; were those also taken with this Color-Skopar?
Yep they were
robsonj wrote
A few from a few days on Toronto...Yep they were
Mar 07, 2024 at 08:20 PM