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Archive 2023 · New Cosina Voigtländer 28/2.8 VM and LTM lens got announced!

  
 
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p.7 #1 · New Cosina Voigtländer 28/2.8 VM and LTM lens got announced!


I have not owned any Leica 35mm lenses but everything I have had 50mm and longer has been weak with regard to veiling flare resistance. 50 Lux ASPH, 90AA, 90 Summarit, 90/4 Macro. My ZM50/2 is also similar in this regard when a bright light source (could even just be overcast sky) is just outside the frame. I think Leica's newer wides do better in this respect. But in general my impression with the Leica M lenses I have owned or used, has been that they're not necessarily best in class for flare resistance. It's a bit surprising and would be interesting to get Peter Karbe's thoughts on this.

With the 50 Lux ASPH it has kind of been love/hate. There are times I love the look of the flare creeping in at the edge of the frame, but sometimes not. And you can provoke some pretty serious ring flare wide open in the right situations that would otherwise be a massive criticism when it appears in the various recent Chinese lenses.

Below is an example from last October. I knew shooting into the sun would result in flare and wanted it for this scene. Just difficult to control and place the flare when composing with the OVF, so I shoot a bunch with slight changes in composition.

There was a 50 Lux flare thread a while back...



I think the strong horizontal lines along the top are 'shadows' cast by the shutter housing/surround in front of the sensor blocking the stray but strongly directional light coming from the image circle outside the recorded image area.



Jul 21, 2023 at 10:12 PM
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rscheffler wrote:
I have not owned any Leica 35mm lenses but everything I have had 50mm and longer has been weak with regard to veiling flare resistance. 50 Lux ASPH, 90AA, 90 Summarit, 90/4 Macro. My ZM50/2 is also similar in this regard when a bright light source (could even just be overcast sky) is just outside the frame. I think Leica's newer wides do better in this respect. But in general my impression with the Leica M lenses I have owned or used, has been that they're not necessarily best in class for flare resistance. It's a bit surprising and would
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Ron, the picture looks beautiful with the veiling soft glow that adds to the overall composition. It intensifies the feeling of warmth.
I would just cut out the top part and adjust the brightness to make the lighting more even.



Jul 21, 2023 at 11:19 PM
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Thanks Fred! I left the top uncropped for technical evaluation purposes.


Jul 22, 2023 at 12:21 AM
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p.7 #4 · New Cosina Voigtländer 28/2.8 VM and LTM lens got announced!


Leica lenses absolutely do tend to flare, and/or produce ghosting, even a significant portion of the “modern” ones. In addition to the lenses mentioned in the past few posts, I can add the APO Summicron-M 75mm ASPH, which can easily be prompted to produce a purple ghost, just like my Summilux-M 50mm ASPH. (Peter Karbe, of course, has spoken of how he based the 75 ‘Cron on the Summilux-M 50mm ASPH.)

Even though I am really learning to like using flare and ghosts creatively, one big reason that I have the Zeiss Distagon 35/1.4 ZM is so that I can shoot with M cameras when there absolutely must be no flare or ghosts, and I cannot wait for lighting to improve. This is also why I am likely to add a Cosina Voigtlander 50mm APO Lanthar VM, sooner or later. An important thing I saw, in Jimmy Cheng’s Youtube presentation that compared the Leica APO Summicron-M 50mm ASPH, the Summilux-M 50mm ASPH, and the Cosina Voigtlander 50mm APO Lanthar, is that the APO Lanthar may show more chromatic abberations, at least in some conditions, than the APO Summicron, but that the APO Lanthar seems more flare-resistant. Chromatic aberrations can be fixed, in post, but flare is a problem. Of course, I subscribe to the concept that one can never have too many Fifties.



Notably, many of this presentation’s images seemed to be shot in sunny, glare-inducing conditions much like I have to contend with, much of the time, where I live. (Sunny, though often hazy SE Texas, where so much interesting activity happens under shade trees.) Not saying that I base a buying decision entirely on one Youtube presentation; this one just came to mind as a good example of the APO Lanthar’s flare resistance.

Nothing against Leica lenses, of course; my newest is the 2022 “re-issue” of the Steel Rim Summilux.

My formal training was in the “genre” of evidentiary/forensic/crime scene photography. I added the Leica M system, after retirement, as an antidote, or therapy, for that oft-sad, grim duty. Even so, there are occasions when I want to shoot images that are optically-well-corrected.



Jul 22, 2023 at 09:20 AM
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There hasn't been any 50mm Ultron lens released by Cosina, but there were some older ones from the original Voigtländer company. Cosina's only 50mm f2 lens have been the various versions of Heliar classic and of course the APO-Lanthar.


Here's the 50 2.0 Heliar Collapsable from the 250th Anniversary Edition. About 2500 were made, most were black and a handfull in silver chrome. It's an odd lens, it doesn't collapse very much and it has half stops to f-11 then just full stops at 11 and 16. I got it for a bargain price off of another forum after buying a M4 body. It's fun to use and I should use it more often.




Jul 22, 2023 at 01:11 PM
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Here's the 50 2.0 Heliar Collapsable from the 250th Anniversary Edition. About 2500 were made, most were black and a handfull in silver chrome. It's an odd lens, it doesn't collapse very much and it has half stops to f-11 then just full stops at 11 and 16. I got it for a bargain price off of another forum after buying a M4 body. It's fun to use and I should use it more often.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53063759971_34b0f943f2_c.jpg


Yes, there were 800 in Silver and 1700 in Black, only sold together in the limited 250th Anniversary sets with the Bessa R2M & R3M cameras in 2006. I have a Black one (lens only). I like it a lot but 1m MFD is rather limiting. These are not so easy to find as stand-alone at decent prices in 2nd hand market as they are more often sold together with the original cameras at high prices. There were also 600 non-collapsible Nickel lenses with same optics made as another limited edition in 2009.



Jul 22, 2023 at 10:23 PM
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I’ve been thinking about this new 28mm and in particular its hood.

I’ve had a few 28mm and they all had massive hoods that totally dwarfed the lens and made a small lens massive eg summaron & Ultron…. This new lens has a tiny screw in hood and I won’t be surprised if this lens is good against the light despite the small hood. I also like screw in hoods as you can use a polariser with them.



Jul 26, 2023 at 01:11 PM
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p.7 #8 · New Cosina Voigtländer 28/2.8 VM and LTM lens got announced!


Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Samples from Cosina.

By Kano Mitsuru - 加納満




  LEICA M10-R    f/4.8    1/500s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  






  LEICA M10-R    f/6.8    1/250s    100 ISO    +0.3 EV  






  LEICA M10-R    f/6.8    1/350s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  






  LEICA M10-R    0mm    f/1.4    1/60s    1000 ISO    -0.3 EV  






  LEICA M10-R    f/2.8    1/125s    1250 ISO    0.0 EV  






  LEICA M10-R    f/2.8    1/350s    125 ISO    0.0 EV  




Jul 26, 2023 at 06:36 PM
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p.7 #9 · New Cosina Voigtländer 28/2.8 VM and LTM lens got announced!


tri_fin wrote:
I’ve been thinking about this new 28mm and in particular its hood.

I’ve had a few 28mm and they all had massive hoods that totally dwarfed the lens and made a small lens massive eg summaron & Ultron…. This new lens has a tiny screw in hood and I won’t be surprised if this lens is good against the light despite the small hood. I also like screw in hoods as you can use a polariser with them.


The old CV 28/3.5 LTM also has a small screw-in hood that looks pretty similar to the one that the new 28/2.8 Type II's hood. I really like this type of small hoods for these lenses to keep them compact overall.

I'm hoping for the actual release date to be announced very soon.



Jul 26, 2023 at 08:45 PM
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Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 Color-Skopar Samples from Cosina.

By Kano Mitsuru - 加納満


A couple of these pics have a surprising amount of vignetting, especially given the stated apertures used.



Jul 26, 2023 at 10:18 PM
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The aperture reporting is not accurate on the M. The high vignetting samples could’ve been shot wide open.

Desmolicious wrote:
A couple of these pics have a surprising amount of vignetting, especially given the stated apertures used.




Jul 26, 2023 at 10:33 PM
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p.7 #12 · New Cosina Voigtländer 28/2.8 VM and LTM lens got announced!


Official release date got announced today, it's 8/8

https://www.cosina.co.jp/news/%e3%83%95%e3%82%a9%e3%82%af%e3%83%88%e3%83%ac%e3%83%b3%e3%83%80%e3%83%bc-color-skopar-28mm-f2-8-aspherical-vm-ll39-%e7%99%ba%e5%a3%b2%e6%97%a5%e3%81%ae%e3%81%8a%e7%9f%a5%e3%82%89%e3%81%9b/



Jul 27, 2023 at 01:03 AM
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The aperture reporting is not accurate on the M. The high vignetting samples could’ve been shot wide open.



I don't think #2 was shot wide open, given the DOF in the image. And that shows the most vignette.
Perhaps the photographer added it in post? Could it really be like that otherwise?



Jul 27, 2023 at 01:04 AM
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Juha Kannisto wrote:
Official release date got announced today, it's 8/8

https://www.cosina.co.jp/news/%e3%83%95%e3%82%a9%e3%82%af%e3%83%88%e3%83%ac%e3%83%b3%e3%83%80%e3%83%bc-color-skopar-28mm-f2-8-aspherical-vm-ll39-%e7%99%ba%e5%a3%b2%e6%97%a5%e3%81%ae%e3%81%8a%e7%9f%a5%e3%82%89%e3%81%9b/



Great news - just pre-ordered



Jul 27, 2023 at 06:45 AM
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tri_fin wrote:
Great news - just pre-ordered


I also preordered today (Black Type II). I was waiting for the release date info prior to doing that as I wanted to make sure it doesn't get delivered during my holiday when I'm traveling.



Jul 27, 2023 at 06:50 AM
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I wonder how long until it hits US dealers. Unless I'm missing something (very possible) the lens isn't mentioned on the Cameraquest site at all yet.


Jul 27, 2023 at 09:02 AM
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p.7 #17 · New Cosina Voigtländer 28/2.8 VM and LTM lens got announced!


Juha Kannisto wrote:
Official release date got announced today, it's 8/8

https://www.cosina.co.jp/news/%e3%83%95%e3%82%a9%e3%82%af%e3%83%88%e3%83%ac%e3%83%b3%e3%83%80%e3%83%bc-color-skopar-28mm-f2-8-aspherical-vm-ll39-%e7%99%ba%e5%a3%b2%e6%97%a5%e3%81%ae%e3%81%8a%e7%9f%a5%e3%82%89%e3%81%9b/


Great news!







Jul 27, 2023 at 09:40 AM
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p.7 #18 · New Cosina Voigtländer 28/2.8 VM and LTM lens got announced!


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Great news!


Have I been mis-spelling Kosina all this time?



Jul 27, 2023 at 10:53 AM
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Desmolicious wrote:
Have I been mis-spelling Kosina all this time?


I once read that Canon was originally Kanon. Was told they changed to a C due to Western markets…
(As I get older I’m finding that a lot of what I read/ thought was wrong - this could well be one of those times!)




Jul 27, 2023 at 11:06 AM
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tri_fin wrote:
I once read that Canon was originally Kanon. Was told they changed to a C due to Western markets…
(As I get older I’m finding that a lot of what I read/ thought was wrong - this could well be one of those times!)



Kanon and Kosina would be the standard transcription of Japanese writing into roman characters indeed. But the "C" is much more standard than "K" and pronounces the same and is more common so no surprise we write Canon and Cosina.



Jul 27, 2023 at 11:12 AM
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