p.23 #1 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
wind30 wrote:
Honestly, Sony needs to put the a1 sensor in the a9iii to be competitive. If they want to sell a9iii at $4k. They can gimp the evf, lcd, video…
I have a full set of Sony lenses, and the only thing I want is a usable silent shutter for moving subjects (fast scan speed) at around $4000.
The Z8 checks all the boxes, including the bonus backlit buttons that I yearn for in a Sony body.
But unfortunately Nikon Z lenses are heavy and ugly (in my opinion), not to mention their heavy bodies.
So I really do not want to switch body/system to the Z8 just to get a usable silent shutter. But getting the A1 without the new tilt screen of A7RV, low res LCD, much higher price etc at this late stage of the product cycle doesn't seem to make sense right now.
This brings me to my question, how likely is it for A9 III to get 40/50+ MP and fast electronic shutter like the A1/Z8?
p.23 #2 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
FMTopFan wrote:
I have a full set of Sony lenses, and the only thing I want is a usable silent shutter for moving subjects (fast scan speed) at around $4000.
The Z8 checks all the boxes, including the bonus backlit buttons that I yearn for in a Sonny body.
But unfortunately Nikon Z lenses are heavy and ugly (in my opinion), not to mention their heavy bodies.
So I really do not want to switch body/system to the Z8 just to get a usable silent shutter. But getting the A1 without the new tilt screen of A7RV, low res LCD, much higher price etc at this late of the product cycle doesn't make sense right now.
This brings me to my question, how likely is it for A9 III to get 40/50+ MP and fast electronic shutter like the A1/Z8?
p.23 #3 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
FMTopFan wrote:
This brings me to my question, how likely is it for A9 III to get 40/50+ MP and fast electronic shutter like the A1/Z8?
I think it is very unlikely the A9 III will have a sensor in that resolution range. Most likely it will remain 24 mp. The A9/A911 already have stacked sensors and can shoot electronic shutter silently. In fact the A9 series of cameras were the first to offer this since back in 2017.
p.23 #4 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
FMTopFan wrote:
I have a full set of Sony lenses, and the only thing I want is a usable silent shutter for moving subjects (fast scan speed) at around $4000.
The Z8 checks all the boxes, including the bonus backlit buttons that I yearn for in a Sonny body.
But unfortunately Nikon Z lenses are heavy and ugly (in my opinion), not to mention their heavy bodies.
So I really do not want to switch body/system to the Z8 just to get a usable silent shutter. But getting the A1 without the new tilt screen of A7RV, low res LCD, much higher price etc at this late of the product cycle doesn't make sense right now.
This brings me to my question, how likely is it for A9 III to get 40/50+ MP and fast electronic shutter like the A1/Z8?
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I never want to say zero but in this case I’m fairly certain there is a 0% chance the A9III will have 40+ MP. I think it is most likely to stay at 24. If it goes up it may get to mid 30s at most.
p.23 #5 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
fotografur wrote:
You can use your Sony lenses on the Nikon Z bodies.
I already have the TZE-01, but at best the AF is decent, but from time to time, AF would stop working (well-documented on multiple forums), and a full power cycle is required to get AF back.
This has never been tested on Z8 yet, nobody even knows if TZE-01 or Megadap would work?
p.23 #6 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
arbitrage wrote:
I never want to say zero but in this case I’m fairly certain there is a 0% chance the A9III will have 40+ MP. I think it is most likely to stay at 24. If it goes up it may get to mid 30s at most.
So basically on Sony platform, I basically will never get a Z8 stacked sensor type camera with fast electronic shutter in $4000 range like Z8?
Since A9 III is out of the question, I am sure A1M2 will be same as A1 if not more expensive. Last hope is for A7R6 to get stacked sensor with usable silent shutter at around $4000?
Even if Sony offers a A7R6 with stacked sensor like Z8 at only 8-10 fps like A7R5, I would be happy. Why hasn't Sony made this camera yet?
It's like Nikon just found Sony's weak spot and hit it hard with Z8.
p.23 #7 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
FMTopFan wrote:
So basically on Sony platform, I basically will never get a Z8 stacked sensor type camera with fast electronic shutter in $4000 range like Z8?
Since A9 III is out of the question, I am sure A1M2 will be same as A1 if not more expensive. Last hope is for A7R6 to get stacked sensor with usable silent shutter at around $4000?
Even if Sony offers a A7R6 with stacked sensor like Z8 at only 8-10 fps like A7R5, I would be happy. Why hasn't Sony made this camera yet?
It's like Nikon just found Sony's weak spot and hit it hard with Z8.
p.23 #8 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
Gary Irwin wrote:
The fact is that these "obsolete" adapted f-mount lenses actually perform better on mirrorless bodies than the did on DLSR's and are completely viable options.
you are shooting milc not dslr, so that claim is not relevant.
mark smith didn't like the 500pf/z9 combo, it frequently back-focused on big birds and it was too long for his shooting location... he didn't have any of those problems with the z100-400 on the same z9 body.
primes are a fail for video because:
- the shot can't be accurately framed with a prime on a tripod
- you can't do crawl shots for instance with a prime, it's too restrictive
p.23 #9 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
FMTopFan wrote:
So basically on Sony platform, I basically will never get a Z8 stacked sensor type camera with fast electronic shutter in $4000 range like Z8?
you can get a better camera than the z8 for similar money, with a used a1.
FMTopFan wrote:
Even if Sony offers a A7R6 with stacked sensor like Z8 at only 8-10 fps like A7R5,
the fact that you would want something bizarre like that indicates that you don't fully understand where stacked sensor bodies fit in camera lineups.
p.23 #10 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
Some people on this web promote Sony A1 so much that is so ridiculously obvious they are paid by Sony ...
or they are fucking blind with their playstation toy.
There is million cameras which will take a shoot and if you need A1 o do it... you are not the best photographer out there. Period
Sick of this fanboys. Take your shitty A1 and go to take a photos if you want to impress me
p.23 #11 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
PIOK wrote:
Some people on this web promote Sony A1 so much that is so ridiculously obvious they are paid by Sony ...
or they are fucking blind with their playstation toy.
There is million cameras which will take a shoot and if you need A1 o do it... you are not the best photographer out there. Period
Sick of this fanboys. Take your shitty A1 and go to take a photos if you want to impress me
Oh my my, a Nikon guy over in the Sony board tired of all the talk about the A1. Duhhhh…. If you can’t stand the heat, stay on your side of the fence.
p.23 #12 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
chez wrote:
Oh my my, a Nikon guy over in the Sony board tired of all the talk about the A1. Duhhhh…. If you can’t stand the heat, stay on your side of the fence.
I do own Nikon, Canon and Sony. Do you feel better now ?
p.23 #14 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
PIOK wrote:
Some people on this web promote Sony A1 so much that is so ridiculously obvious they are paid by Sony ...
I doubt that anyone on this forum is secretly paid by Sony. There are a couple of Sony Ambassadors however, but they are usually very reserved in their comments for obvious reasons.
PIOK wrote:
Sick of this fanboys. Take your shitty A1 and go to take a photos if you want to impress me
I have thought about this. Hard as I try, I can't come up with a single reason anyone would want to impress you. Maybe you can help us out on this point by posting some meaningful photography work, or some polite coherent contributions to the FM community.
p.23 #15 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
FMTopFan wrote:
So basically on Sony platform, I basically will never get a Z8 stacked sensor type camera with fast electronic shutter in $4000 range like Z8?
Since A9 III is out of the question, I am sure A1M2 will be same as A1 if not more expensive. Last hope is for A7R6 to get stacked sensor with usable silent shutter at around $4000?
Even if Sony offers a A7R6 with stacked sensor like Z8 at only 8-10 fps like A7R5, I would be happy. Why hasn't Sony made this camera yet?
It's like Nikon just found Sony's weak spot and hit it hard with Z8.
p.23 #16 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
This is Photography Web not Sony Web...
Rx100 VII (Yes I like it for what it is ... Sony Alpha 1 - for your information I can buy new in the store for $150 USD less than Nikon Z9 ...... but I don't want and need any of them
... from cameras interest me the most Canon R5, Sony A7RV, Nikon Z8 all off them will work well for me and I don't see clear winner === than is a lens choice ( I think each brand have something other doesn't )
And there is more when you have to decide what is best for you
p.23 #17 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
osv2 wrote:
the fact that you would want something bizarre like that indicates that you don't fully understand where stacked sensor bodies fit in camera lineups.
Hi osv2, I found your labelling my "hypothetical camera" as "bizarre" quite confusing.
Given that it's a hypothetical camera, as indicated by my choice of words "even if" and "I would be," some of which you truncated in your quote, it doesn't mean that I believe a camera like this would exist or be made. These were words selected to illustrate a point.
What's more puzzling is that after the few words I wrote about a hypothetical camera, you arrived at the conclusion that I "don't fully where stacked sensor bodies fit in camera lineups."
As an owner of A7R2, A7R3, and A7R4, RX1, RX1R, and having shot with the A9 and A1, I fully understand how the Sony camera lineup serves or doesn't serve my needs.
Do you care to elaborate how you got the impression? Your information may help me improve my posts in the future.
p.23 #19 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
Thanks everyone for responding to my posts today about wanting a "Z8" features but in a Sony body instead, so I will briefly summarize all the advice:
1. A9III may not get to 40MP+ so don't count on this too much
2. If Sony lenses are important (and I don't want to let go of them), mount them on Z8.
3. Buy used A1 at around $4200 - $4500
Hopefully this summary is of use to others who are looking to achieve the same.
I welcome more feedback on workarounds while we wait for Sony (to hopefully) come out with a higher res stacked sensor body that is in 40-50+ MP range but not as expensive as the A1.
p.23 #20 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
The A1 has some features the Z8 doesn’t, vice versa.
As an owner of two A1s, one bought at full retail price, the other one bought new at $6000, I got to take my hat off to Nikon for such achievement at this price. Yeah, one can get a used A1 for under $4500, close to the price of a new Z8, but it’s not fair to compare the price of a newly launch camera with the used price of a two-year old camera. I am no Sony fanboy even though I probably have more money tied up in Sony cameras and lenses than most, I am very very happy for Nikon shooters
