Archive 2023 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
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p.22 #1 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
arbitrage wrote:
This is what they need to switch over to Z-mount IMO....
A lens like this makes total sense for Nikon to go with the 400 f/4.5S and 800 f/6.3 PF.
May 19, 2023 at 10:27 PM
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p.22 #2 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
Dultimate wrote:
I'm pretty sure it's not for their A7 series and its video functions, which trail the competition in feature set, sometimes by a fair margin. It's certainly not for using a 200-600 lens for video.
Not saying there's not a use case for that but it's certainly minimal. They didn't even have subject tracking in video until the RV so it's not as if using a long focal length lens in video was a great experience.
sony has had touch tracking with video for years now:
the 200-600 is a natural for sports and wildlife video.
May 19, 2023 at 10:45 PM
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p.22 #3 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
TT1000 wrote:
By far! Except not if you want to select a 300 f/2.8. The A9 was released approximately 6 years ago as a sports/action oriented camera and Sony is still missing a very popular sports lens. I know they finally announced its coming. Someday.
no milc company has released a 300/2.8, because there is not that much demand for it, but sony will be the first.
p.22 #5 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
osv2 wrote:
no milc company has released a 300/2.8, because there is not that much demand for it, but sony will be the first.
And most likely canon will not - they swapped it with a zoom. Tbh for sports you do not need a prime IQ. Having just as fast Lens but a zoom is a better choice. Nikon did the same with 120-300 F mount (or was it 100-300?). Canon will also swap 500 with a zoom.
p.22 #6 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
Dultimate wrote:
I see that you're incapable of being objective when it comes to Sony or Nikon.
I'm sure there's a ton of people running out to purchase the Sony 200-600 lens because of its HUGE advantage for Video. Tons!
He's getting dragged on the Nikon forums as well regarding the Z8.
May 20, 2023 at 09:24 AM
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p.22 #7 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
michal.narozny wrote:
And most likely canon will not - they swapped it with a zoom. Tbh for sports you do not need a prime IQ. Having just as fast Lens but a zoom is a better choice. Nikon did the same with 120-300 F mount (or was it 100-300?). Canon will also swap 500 with a zoom.
i think that is a smarter more practical approach than a 300/2.8, although it will be bigger and heavier you don't have to carry multiple lenses and bodies.
p.22 #8 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
AZHeaven wrote:
He's getting dragged on the Nikon forums as well regarding the Z8.
please don't encourage his bogus posts regarding sony video
and no, we aren't discussing the z8 over there, it started because nikon trolls were attacking duncang, they were upset when he pointed out how good a1 af is, and then he had the nerve to correct their false claims about a.i. :-0
p.22 #9 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
molson wrote:
That more or less matches my experience with the Nikon 400mm f4.5. It's nice, but too short for birds, and once you add a TC it doesn't seem quite as sharp as the Sony 200-600. The Sony actually does okay at 840mm with a 1.4x attached, but the Nikon really falls down if you use a 2x to get to 800mm. I think a lot of people just don't realize how good that Sony 200-600 really is.
Indeed, the Sony 200-600 is an incredibly capable lens. Unfortunately, it's the only "prosumer" wildlife lens Sony offers.
p.22 #12 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
chez wrote:
How many do you need ?
The more the better! Ok, so Nikon really needs to get around to releasing their own 200-600 that's been on the lens roadmap for like 3 years now...hopefully it's coming soon and hopefully it will be as good as the Sony version. Fingers crossed. In the meantime I still have my Megadap adapter.
In terms of high-performance prosumer wildlife lens options Nikon offers:
300PF
400 f4.5
500PF
800PF (at half the price of an exotic, I consider this a prosumer lens)
There's nothing else on the market that comes remotely close to these in terms of size/weight/performance/price.
As camera performance continue to improve the biggest differentiator is becoming lens options, and for us wildlife shooters that makes Nikon a viable option.
As a wildlife video enthusiast, the capability/pound of the Nikon Z8 + 400/4.5 combo (5lb total carry), being able to record NRaw internal from 8.3k60p HQ all the way down to 4k120p DX (2.3 crop)! with state-of-the-art stabilization is truly cutting edge and completely unmatched. If Sony offered better high-quality video codecs and a good selection of prosumer wildlife lenses, I'd still be shooting it. I realize my interests are too small a market segment for Sony to worry about, but the facts are the facts.
p.22 #13 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
Gary Irwin wrote:
In terms of high-performance prosumer wildlife lens options Nikon offers:
300PF
400 f4.5
500PF
800PF (at half the price of an exotic, I consider this a prosumer lens)
Those are all "prosumer" lenses, and two of them are the old obsolete F mount.
p.22 #14 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
molson wrote:
Those are all "prosumer" lenses, and two of them are the old obsolete F mount.
The fact is that these "obsolete" adapted f-mount lenses actually perform better on mirrorless bodies than the did on DLSR's and are completely viable options.
p.22 #15 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
Gary Irwin wrote:
The fact is that these "obsolete" adapted f-mount lenses actually perform better on mirrorless bodies than the did on DLSR's and are completely viable options.
I think we're talking about current products, not old stuff that can be adapted, otherwise there are a lot more lenses that can be adapted to Sony than there are for Nikon.
p.22 #16 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
molson wrote:
I think we're talking about current products, not old stuff that can be adapted, otherwise there are a lot more lenses that can be adapted to Sony than there are for Nikon.
Sony lenses? I don't think so, but please correct me if I'm wrong.
p.22 #18 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
Gary Irwin wrote:
Sony lenses? I don't think so, but please correct me if I'm wrong.
You are hung up on needing the lens to be manufactured by Sony. Why? That to me is the beauty of the Sony mount, there are hundreds of lenses from a dozen manufacture that work with the Sony cameras. I really don’t care who makes the lens as long as it does what I want.
p.22 #19 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
chez wrote:
You are hung up on needing the lens to be manufactured by Sony. Why? That to me is the beauty of the Sony mount, there are hundreds of lenses from a dozen manufacture that work with the Sony cameras. I really don’t care who makes the lens as long as it does what I want.
IMO cutting edge performance is increasingly going to depend on using matched cameras and lenses from the same manufacturer and mixing brands is going to lead to performance limitations. Sony has engineered this into their own products by limited frame rates for third-party products. But aside from all that, for me, Nikon simply has the best options for my area of interest.
p.22 #20 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
Gary Irwin wrote:
IMO cutting edge performance is increasingly going to depend on using matched cameras and lenses from the same manufacturer and mixing brands is going to lead to performance limitations. Sony has engineered this into their own products by limited frame rates for third-party products. But aside from all that, for me, Nikon simply has the best options for my area of interest.
