p.52 #1 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
There is not, and has not been, any reason to turn VR off manually while using a tripod in years. I've tested this extensively across Sony, Nikon, and Fuji and arrived at the same conclusion for each.
p.52 #2 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
I've never knowingly shut off VR, even at the highest shutter speeds, which sometimes go up to 1/4000 but are typically 1/2500 at the highest.
However, I always turn off the camera when detaching/attaching a lens. Over the years I have developed the habit of *always* shutting off the camera when not in use.
VR effectively stabilizes the image I see in the viewfinder. That is all it does.
Even at very high shutter speeds I enjoy the pleasure of seeing a smooth image in the viewfinder. So, I just stopped turning off VR many years ago and have since forgotten about it.
p.52 #3 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
If I understand VR in the Nikon z8, correctly. I believe when you use VR in the lens, or the on the Z8 body ..VR is activated on both. One talks to the other and VR gets turned on for both.
Now if you are on a tripod, you do want to turn VR off because the system will be constantly be trying to level out looking for motion where there is none ...and it will falsely try to correct ..and you'll get blurry shots.
p.52 #4 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
Right. The VR system measures acceleration of the camera and lens and compensates for it. All measurements have some noise. When the camera is on a proper tripod, there is no movement and so the system ends up generating movement according to the noise in the acceleration sensor signal. VR may cause the imagr to drift over long exposures. Nikon notes in the Z8 manual that depending on shooting conditions, with some tripods VR OFF may be a better choice (than normal or sport).
VR can affect distortion (because as the sensor moves to cover a different part of the image circle projected by the lens, distortion is different). For this reason when I use cameras for photogrammetry, I turn all stabilization features off so that the calibration is valid.
Videographers seem to often talk about "IBIS wobble" which, if I understood correctly, is due to the sensor stabilization compensating for rotational shake with an ultrawide angle lens, causing the geometry of the image to vary in the corners in a distracting way. I find hand-held video so disturbing to begin with that I don't have anything to add about this effect except that I know people who find it a problem and some manufacturers even leave IBIS out from cameras intended for the demanding video user.
When using VR lenses with the FTZ(II), the VR seems to be active almost all the time when the camera is on, which I find a bit strange. Normally, on a DSLR, the VR stops a few seconds after releasing the shutter button. However, with adapter this doesn't seem to work in the usual way. The constant humming is a bit annoying.
VR also consumes battery power and some may prefer to minimize unnecessary battery drain by turning it off.
The VR system can also be a point of failure and some may simply choose not to use it to increase the longevity of the gear. I had to have one VR lens repaired as the VR system was broken. The service replaced everything but the external barrel and it was covered by warranty.
gb_tx wrote:
If I understand VR in the Nikon z8, correctly. I believe when you use VR in the lens, or the on the Z8 body ..VR is activated on both. One talks to the other and VR gets turned on for both.
Now if you are on a tripod, you do want to turn VR off because the system will be constantly be trying to level out looking for motion where there is none ...and it will falsely try to correct ..and you'll get blurry shots.
p.52 #5 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
gb_tx wrote:
If I understand VR in the Nikon z8, correctly. I believe when you use VR in the lens, or the on the Z8 body ..VR is activated on both. One talks to the other and VR gets turned on for both.
Now if you are on a tripod, you do want to turn VR off because the system will be constantly be trying to level out looking for motion where there is none ...and it will falsely try to correct ..and you'll get blurry shots.
Yes with Nikkor Z lenses -- they call it Synchro VR.
Less so with Nikkor F-mount
Even less so with 3rd party lenses
p.52 #6 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
Funny, in the manual for both the Z9 and Z8 it's clear as can be. They say when on a tripod to turn OFF the VR function. Guess we know better than the designer and builder of the camera?
p.52 #7 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
In my experience there have been times where the VR did affect an image taken on a tripod. Especially when exposure times are long. I have adopted a habit of following the manufacturers instructions and turning it off while on a tripod. I have forgotten a few times, and noticed it when I edited the images.
So, VR may or may not impact an image when left on. It never will when turned off. It is a simple flip of a switch, so I just do it.
p.52 #8 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
dcisive wrote:
Funny, in the manual for both the Z9 and Z8 it's clear as can be. They say when on a tripod to turn OFF the VR function. Guess we know better than the designer and builder of the camera?
I think the confusion comes from which "VR" function Nikon is referring to as Nikon has two completely different functions they call VR:
Lens VR (like with the 70-200 f/2.8 VR S, 100-400 f/4.5-5.6 VR S, etc.)
In-Body VR which almost everyone else calls IBIS
If just "VR" is listed I would equate that to Lens VR as it seems anywhere Nikon refers to In-Body VR they call it "In-Body VR" and not just "VR". Sounds like some have never turned VR off (even when on a tripod) while others always do. I just did a series of Focus Shift shots of a frog in a flower, was using a tripod and did not turn off VR so will be curious to see what effect if any this had on those images (I should note that these images were taken with a non VR lens - 24-120 f/4 S).
p.52 #9 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
1bwana1 wrote:
In my experience there have been times where the VR did affect an image taken on a tripod. Especially when exposure times are long. I have adopted a habit of following the manufacturers instructions and turning it off while on a tripod. I have forgotten a few times, and noticed it when I edited the images.
So, VR may or may not impact an image when left on. It never will when turned off. It is a simple flip of a switch, so I just do it.
When you say "simple flip of a switch" I assume you are referring to lens VR where you turn the VR switch off on the lens itself, is that correct?
p.52 #10 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
“Trust, but verify”, and in this case, not verified so whatever. I’ll do whatever works best for me. Just like using my “non-Nikon-certified” Delkin Black
dcisive wrote:
Funny, in the manual for both the Z9 and Z8 it's clear as can be. They say when on a tripod to turn OFF the VR function. Guess we know better than the designer and builder of the camera?
p.52 #12 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
wjmeyer wrote:
When you say "simple flip of a switch" I assume you are referring to lens VR where you turn the VR switch off on the lens itself, is that correct?
I think that may vary from manufacturer to manufacturer. With Sony if the lens has VR you must use the physical switch on the lens to turn it off/on. When you do, it also turns off/on IBIS in the body. If the lens doesn't have VR then you must turn off/on IBIS in the body. How you do this depends on how you configured your camera. It can be in the menu, in the quick menu, or on a button, your choice.
p.52 #13 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
RoamingScott wrote:
“Trust, but verify”, and in this case, not verified so whatever. I’ll do whatever works best for me. Just like using my “non-Nikon-certified” Delkin Black
The Z8 manual notes the following cards to be compatible:
"The camera can be used with CFexpress (Type B), XQD, SD, SDHC, and SDXC memory cards.
UHS‑I and UHS‑II SD cards are supported."
I.e., all CFexpress type B cards can be used. This is followed by specific recommendations where it comes to high quality video recording modes which require certain things from the memory card above the CFexpress standard's specifications. However, Nikon hasn't tested every card on each camera. Having been tested and listed as supported on a list which includes specific makes and models means that Nikon basically guarantee it will work. These are listed here:
Just a particular card not having gone through Nikon's test procedure doesn't mean it won't work. Nikon School's Ricci Chera, however, has tested and got good results (in overheating tests) with Delkin Black cards.
With regards to what Nikon Z8 manual says about VR and tripods, in the section on Vibration Reduction of the online reference guides (of both Z8 and Z9): "[Normal] and [Sport] are also recommended if the camera is mounted on a tripod or monopod. Note, however, that [Off] may be a better choice with some tripods depending on shooting conditions. Settings may vary from lens to lens; consult the lens documentation for more information."
They do NOT say "when on a tripod to turn OFF the VR function." I did a search and didn't find any such claim in the Z8 or Z9 manuals. They recommend to use VR NORMAL or SPORT on a tripod but note that with some tripods and in some conditions (and dependent on the lens), OFF may be a better choice.
p.52 #15 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
agrumpyoldsod wrote:
Nikon appear to have never "approved" of cards from Delkin -- I wonder how many other very good if not great cards are also NOT on the approved list.
It's important to remember that to be on the list is the card manufacturer's responsibility, not Nikon's responsibility. Nikon provides a list of cards they tested as a service to Nikon owners. Delkin and others may not feel it's that critical.
CFExpress cards are not created equal. Some run much hotter than others and the burst speed vs sustained speed can be different as well.
p.52 #16 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
It's almost like I pick my words to mean exactly what I intend. Just because Nikon doesn't approve of something doesn't mean it's not worth testing and seeing for yourself
p.52 #17 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
As far as CFExpress goes Nextorage is by far the current buffer champion according to Thom Hogan in his latest update to Z8 ebook. He mentions he reached 330 images in lossless raw.
I have one of their cards (660 GB) and will give it a try.
For video heat is the main issue and Delkin black cards are a no brainer.
p.52 #18 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
bernardl wrote:
As far as CFExpress goes Nextorage is by far the current buffer champion according to Thom Hogan in his latest update to Z8 ebook. He mentions he reached 330 images in lossless raw.
I have one of their cards (660 GB) and will give it a try.
For video heat is the main issue and Delkin black cards are a no brainer.
300+ lossless compressed must be a mistake.
p.52 #20 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
bs kite wrote:
I am beginning to like this Z8/500PF combination. Getting used to the smaller buttons and beginning to learn some of the AF functions.
The 500PF's AF is noticeably quicker and more decisive with the Z8 than with my D850.
Did you have a chance to use the Z8 in lower lighting? If so, what are your thoughts concerning AF speed/acquisition in these conditions compared to the D850?
