p.38 #1 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
bs kite wrote:
You just hit on a feature that I have been wondering about.
I thought the Z8 might be a challenge to work with in this portrait position because my right hand might be blocking my view of the vertical LCD. Whereas the Z9 has a release button and AF-ON button for vertical shooting.
So, why does your thumb not hinder your viewing of the vert viewfinder? Is it because the finder can be pulled out a long ways.?
You would NOT want to use the vertical grip on the Z9 for a low angle portrait shot...your wrist is at a terribly uncomfortable angle. In no way is the LCD obstructed by my hand when using the Z8 like this, the LCD comes out quite a bit. The LCD doing this is one of the key reasons I moved from Sony to Nikon. I fell in love with this on Fuji and Sony gimping the A1 screen made that a non-starter for me.
p.38 #4 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
JustShootMe wrote:
Today I learned these CFexpress cards are just M.2 NVME ssd's in a case . That means a lot more possibilities at a cheaper cost if you're brave.
p.38 #5 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
RoamingScott wrote:
Commenting on things like in-hand feel, materials, textures etc isn't complaining, it's simply noticing and commenting. I'm sure the Z8 will hold up well. In no world does it feel as solid or robust as the Z9.
Agreed. Once you handle the Z9 you know you can use to pound in some nails in a pinch if a hammer is not at hand. Not the case with the Z8. To me it feels like a cross between D850 and D750 build wise. Not a bad thing by any means.
If Nikon used the same materials we'd be complaining it shaved off only half a pound of weight & the costs would likely be different too. Sereebo has been used in D750 (released 9 yrs ago) and there are no reports of the body failures. No concerns.
p.38 #7 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
Max Power wrote:
Have you ever owned a D600? Or an early D800?
Build quality is a thing. Don't get arrogant about it.
Of course, the 800 and the 610, they were great, held up fine for well over 100K frames each. The only issues I have ever had was a shutter going on an F4S at 280k cycles and one on a 750 going at 45k.
Other than that it would be things that I did to cause some issues like having an F3 mount tweak because I leaned it and a 400mm 2.8 against a rail in a dugout when it slid and hit hard on the back of the body. Then there was the time I was 70’ feet up in a harness photographing a welder on a freeway column doing earthquake repair work and the sparks hit the front my my 15mm 3.5 and wrecked it. Or how about when my FM3A’s strap caught on something other than me and slammed it hotshoe first into a rock face on a climb….then later that year I slipped on ice and it did the same thing, lol!
The stuff holds up fine. I think people are misinterpreting build quality vs the required build for a specific design. The quality is there in my opinion.
p.38 #9 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
lukemeup wrote:
Agreed. Once you handle the Z9 you know you can use to pound in some nails in a pinch if a hammer is not at hand. Not the case with the Z8. To me it feels like a cross between D850 and D750 build wise. Not a bad thing by any means.
If Nikon used the same materials we'd be complaining it shaved off only half a pound of weight & the costs would likely be different too. Sereebo has been used in D750 (released 9 yrs ago) and there are no reports of the body failures. No concerns.
The pain (for me) mostly stems from feeling like it's a "downgrade" materials wise and paying essentially the same price for it as my Z9 is worth today. Purely psychological...feeling like I want "more" for my $4000 having seen what's possible, but like you said, the Z8 was bought for weight savings, so it is what it is.
p.38 #10 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
RoamingScott wrote:
And yet they have strict quality control and warranties
So they say , a few hundred million dollars worth of servers , networking hardware, and storage arrays pass through my hands every year... lots of stuff fails. Lots of different companies involved to make 1 server, many points of failure possible.
p.38 #11 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
JustShootMe wrote:
So they say , a few hundred million dollars worth of servers , networking hardware, and storage arrays pass through my hands every year... lots of stuff fails. Lots of different companies involved to make 1 server, many points of failure possible.
There is a huge difference between regular failure rates of off the shelf parts and potential failure rates of frankenparts, especially ones that are simply placed in an enclosure and not pre-built.
I literally don't care what anyone does, but you should know the risk-reward here.
p.38 #13 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
RoamingScott wrote:
There is a huge difference between regular failure rates of off the shelf parts and potential failure rates of frankenparts, especially ones that are simply placed in an enclosure and not pre-built.
I literally don't care what anyone does, but you should know the risk-reward here.
Yup it’s a risk to save a few bucks , in my experience the number 1 failure we see is memory once stressed , regardless of source.
p.38 #16 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
This week my job asked me to photograph Lin Manuel Miranda, Jon Favreau and George Takai, I'm not messing around with a build a card RoamingScott wrote:
An interesting experiment, but in no world would I rely upon a frankencard for critical files.
p.38 #17 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
JustShootMe wrote:
Today I learned these CFexpress cards are just M.2 NVME ssd's in a case . That means a lot more possibilities at a cheaper cost if you're brave.
p.38 #19 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
JustShootMe wrote:
Today I learned these CFexpress cards are just M.2 NVME ssd's in a case . That means a lot more possibilities at a cheaper cost if you're brave.
Worth a try for the price ... now we wait on Amazon
Here is the voice of experience: the poor (or cheap, or foolishly brave) mans pays twice.
You will be unhappy if you buy the Zitay.
With the right card - not the one you linked, but the one Zitay recommends (Kioxia(Toshiba) 1TB BG4 ), you will get high-speed bursts and 8K video. But:
- the "release timing indicator" will not take a set (you'll get blackout when pressing the shutter, even when you select another type, at least after a while) and other odd things will happen.
- when the card gets even a slightly, I'm talking less than 10%, full, high speed bursts or high-bit-rate video will lock the camera, requiring a battery pull.
Use a real card, or not, your choice, but don't say you weren't told.
Any of the Nikon- or Hogan-recommended cards will serve you well, have a warrantee, and prevent forehead marks when you eventually palm-slap yourself repeatedly.
I would like Mr. Miranda to grant me a year's B&S privileges for the preceding PSA.
p.38 #20 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
JustShootMe wrote:
So they say , a few hundred million dollars worth of servers , networking hardware, and storage arrays pass through my hands every year... lots of stuff fails. Lots of different companies involved to make 1 server, many points of failure possible.
Let's address that, since I've built and populated more than a few data centres.
And one point the cheap memory and the IBM-recommended memory all came from the same plant near Toronto, a well-known chip/memory supplier. Insider news: IBM paid for the chips that were in the top 25% of the "passed QA" rankings, and passed that cost (with markup!) along to customers. Along with that cost came dramatically increased reliability.
So, depending on the solution, either it was worth paying or not. But generally worth it.
