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Leica Q3 Leaked Images and Specs

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I haven't had the chance to try out a Leica Q, so I appreciate you sharing your thoughts on the macro switch. Based on the pictures they've released, it looks like the new lens is pretty much the same as the old one.

The macro ring is fine, the switch served more than just switching to macro mode - it has a completely new distance scale which the focus throw became longer should user want to use manual focus, without having the focus tab moving beyond reach (it goes down to 17cm!).

And it force the user to avoid shooting anything wider than 2.8 which can be annoying to some. I'm completely fine with it because wide open at those distance is difficult to nail perfect focus point so the subject that matters will be fully in focus. 😂

May 09, 2023 at 10:42 PM

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jeffersoncasey wrote:
The macro ring is fine, the switch served more than just switching to macro mode - it has a completely new distance scale which the focus throw became longer should user want to use manual focus, without having the focus tab moving beyond reach (it goes down to 17cm!).

And it force the user to avoid shooting anything wider than 2.8 which can be annoying to some. I'm completely fine with it because wide open at those distance is difficult to nail perfect focus point so the subject that matters will be fully in focus. 😂

In macro mode, would the maximum magnification be 1:2? I didn't know that the largest aperture in macro mode was f/2.8. Thanks for the info.

May 09, 2023 at 10:48 PM

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Fred Miranda wrote:
In macro mode, would the maximum magnification be 1:2? I didn't know that the largest aperture in macro mode was f/2.8. Thanks for the info.

A quick search revealing magnification of only 4.25:1, or 0.235, similar to RX1 0.26.

May 09, 2023 at 11:46 PM

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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · Leica Q3 Leaked Images and Specs

Fred Miranda wrote:
...would the maximum magnification be 1:2?...

Whatever 17cm on 28mm is. Non macro MFD is 30cm.

In macro mode, the camera will ignore the mechanical aperture ring if set to f/1.7 and shoot at f/2.8 instead. Judging by the poor quality of the 28 Lux at macro distances at f/1.4, I think this is a reasonable limitation. Or it could be some sort of physical limitation that prevents f/1.7 in macro mode, no way to know.

May 10, 2023 at 10:08 AM

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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · Leica Q3 Leaked Images and Specs

Fred Miranda wrote:
I haven't had the chance to try out a Leica Q, so I appreciate you sharing your thoughts on the macro switch. Based on the pictures they've released, it looks like the new lens is pretty much the same as the old one.

The Q3's electronic viewfinder (EVF) might be upgraded to 5.6 million dots, which could make a real difference. In my opinion, one of the major improvements is the switch from only contrast detect autofocus to using both contrast and phase detect autofocus.

I really think you should try the Q3. I does address most of the weaknesses of the Q2 as you mentioned. The Q2 AF was already fast and reliable in single shot mode, but PDAF should give us usable continuous AF with more reliable eye/face detection AF. The EVF upgrade should finally put the Q on par with the SL cameras, which I'm very excited about.

What I'm not so excited about is what appears to be a 2-way tilt (landscape only) screen instead of a 3-way tilt (adds portrait tilt). That drove me crazy with the GFX 50R, and at times I just wanted to rip it off the back of the camera because when I rotated to portrait orientation with the screen already tilted, it had to be put away because it was useless. Eventually the workaround I did was to have the tilt screen positioned so that it was completely flat at a 90 degree angle from the camera, rotate the camera to portrait mode, then position myself to the side of the camera so that I was looking at the now-vertical rear screen. It's a bit awkward at first, shooting with my body at a 90 degree angle to the subject, but I got used to it. Of course, it still doesn't tilt upward, but at least I could see the screen when the camera was at a low angle and tilted upward.

Another Q2 note regarding the IQ (since I had many copies of the Q and Q2 over time): later copies of the Q2 made within the last year had better IQ in the far corners. I'm not sure if Leica made a stealth update to the element spacing, changed something in the pre-DNG processing of the image, improved the OIS, etc. But the difference was very noticeable. My last two Q2 Reporter copies I had were far better in the corners than the 28 Lux had been on my M10-R and M10M.

May 10, 2023 at 10:17 AM

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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · Leica Q3 Leaked Images and Specs

I'm preparing myself for around a 20% price increase for the Q3, so around 6995 US$ for starters. But my experience with the Q2 has shown me the Q is an absolute MVP in a two-camera kit, whether with my M10-R or A1 combo.

May 10, 2023 at 10:54 AM

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I really think you should try the Q3. I does address most of the weaknesses of the Q2 as you mentioned. The Q2 AF was already fast and reliable in single shot mode, but PDAF should give us usable continuous AF with more reliable eye/face detection AF. The EVF upgrade should finally put the Q on par with the SL cameras, which I'm very excited about.

What I'm not so excited about is what appears to be a 2-way tilt (landscape only) screen instead of a 3-way tilt (adds portrait tilt). That drove me crazy with the GFX 50R, and at...Show more →

I would have to trade my Leica 28/1.4 Lux for the Q3 and I'm not sure I'm ready for that because I love the Lux's character.

There is also a rumor for a new Leica Q-E based on the Q2 but perhaps cheaper. ??

May 10, 2023 at 01:44 PM

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I've wondered about that Q-E rumor. How close to the Q2 would it be? Same aging 47MP sensor and no tilting screen...Or a year from now would Leica shake things up and install Sony's A7IV 33MP sensor to fully update all its offerings to all-Sony sensors with PDAF and BSI?

May 10, 2023 at 02:24 PM

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Fred Miranda wrote:
I would have to trade my Leica 28/1.4 Lux for the Q3 and I'm not sure I'm ready for that because I love the Lux's character.

There is also a rumor for a new Leica Q-E based on the Q2 but perhaps cheaper. ??

I definitely wouldn't trade a 28 Lux for the Q3.

I think the Q-E is rumored to be the Q3 camera with the Q2 sensor for a lower price. But the new sensor is the main reason I would want the Q3. I actually much prefer the color and look of the original Q images over the Q2, but those are getting hard to find in like new condition. I should have kept my Q-P, which still to this day is the pinnacle Q product, IMO.

May 10, 2023 at 02:56 PM

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I definitely wouldn't trade a 28 Lux for the Q3.

I think the Q-E is rumored to be the Q3 camera with the Q2 sensor for a lower price. But the new sensor is the main reason I would want the Q3. I actually much prefer the color and look of the original Q images over the Q2, but those are getting hard to find in like new condition. I should have kept my Q-P, which still to this day is the pinnacle Q product, IMO.

Considering the SL Typ 601's sensor similarity, I agree with your assessment. Assuming the new Q-E retains the Q3 body and Q2 sensor, PDAF becomes unlikely. Likewise, the EVF resolution is likely to remain unchanged from the Q2.

May 10, 2023 at 03:45 PM

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highdesertmesa wrote:
I definitely wouldn't trade a 28 Lux for the Q3.

Can you expand your reasoning?

May 10, 2023 at 09:01 PM

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Fred Miranda wrote:
Can you expand your reasoning?

They're not comparable options to me. It would be like selling your car to buy a dishwasher.

The only drawback to a Q camera is it becomes the only camera you want to leave the house with.

May 10, 2023 at 09:57 PM

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highdesertmesa wrote:
They're not comparable options to me. It would be like selling your car to buy a dishwasher.

The only drawback to a Q camera is it becomes the only camera you want to leave the house with.

May 10, 2023 at 10:03 PM

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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · Leica Q3 Leaked Images and Specs

Fred Miranda wrote:
Have you compared the image quality and rendering between them? Personally, I have found that the lens on the Leica Q, despite sharing a similar focal length and naming convention, does not quite match up to the 28/1.4 Summilux lens in terms of IQ and rendering from the samples I've seen.

Some differences between the two which set them apart, due to different concept - rounded aperture blade (on Q), half stop slower, bitingly sharp on Q(2). Let's not forget the fact that the 28lux-m took up so much real estate in the OVF on top of the already difficult to see frame lines. There are more reason to shoot with Q than just the IQ alone.

The lens on the Q is bitingly sharp wide open (in the central portion) which I believe the 28lux-m takes on a different rendering concept. It's done this way to accommodate the concept of fixed lens camera.

For the price of current used Q2 flooding the market is a great deal right now, there's really nothing like the Q in the market at the moment.

May 10, 2023 at 10:23 PM

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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · Leica Q3 Leaked Images and Specs

No Q3 for me. I have no interest in another 28mm lens camera.

Make a 50 and I’m in.

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May 11, 2023 at 01:51 AM

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Fred Miranda wrote:

Have you compared the image quality and rendering between them? Personally, I have found that the lens on the Leica Q, despite sharing a similar focal length and naming convention, does not quite match up to the 28/1.4 Summilux lens in terms of IQ and rendering from the samples I've seen.

I've never done side-by-side evaluations, and the bodies I've used the 28 Lux with are not directly comparable to the sensor in the Q2. I've only used the 28 Lux on the M10-R and M10M, which I believe to be a better sensor than the Q2 sensor even though it's slightly lower res.

I think we'll have to wait for a Q3 versus M11 + 28 Lux to get a fair comparison.

Anecdotally, the 28 Lux has more character than the Q 28 Lux. The 28 Lux has a lot more CA wide open in challenging high-contrast light. The Q cameras, all of them, seem to deliver sharper central results than the 28 Lux. That shouldn't be surprising given the lens and sensor in the Q are made for each other. The Q sensor does not have to accommodate any other focal length, so the microlenses are likely optimized for the Q lens. But I'm speaking only with regard to handheld shooting – could be the 28 Lux does better on a tripod. The Q has optical stabilization and a leaf shutter that both help with handheld sharpness (despite some that say you need to disable the Q's stabilization for best results, which was not true for me). As for corners, the Qs I had pre-2022 had corner performance on par with the 28 Lux. The more recent Q2 Reporters I had (2 copies) had better corner performance than the 28 Lux, with little to no softness in the far corners when stopped down.

As for rendering wide open, the 28 Lux magic is at or near MFD, and the further my subject was away from that, the more off-putting the bokeh was when there were busy backgrounds. I prefer the Q bokeh in those situations. All the magic of the Q rendering for me happens from 0.7m to 30cm (non-macro MFD).

May 11, 2023 at 11:12 AM

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highdesertmesa wrote:
I've never done side-by-side evaluations, and the bodies I've used the 28 Lux with are not directly comparable to the sensor in the Q2. I've only used the 28 Lux on the M10-R and M10M, which I believe to be a better sensor than the Q2 sensor even though it's slightly lower res.

I think we'll have to wait for a Q3 versus M11 + 28 Lux to get a fair comparison.

Anecdotally, the 28 Lux has more character than the Q 28 Lux. The 28 Lux has a lot more CA wide open in challenging high-contrast light. The Q cameras, all...Show more →

Thank you for the helpful information! From what I've gathered, the Q's 28/1.7 lens is considered to have a 24mm focal length with noticeable quasi-fisheye distortion when uncorrected. However, after correction, it behaves like a 26mm lens, which Leica refers to as 28mm. If this is true, it means shooting with it is similar to using a high distortion 24mm lens. Aside from rendering, the speed and actual focal length difference appear to be the main differentiating factors when comparing it to the 28/1.4 Lux.

I have experimented with an uncorrected Q2 DNG file and can confirm what Lloyd describes in his writing:
https://diglloyd.com/prem/s/LEICA/LeicaM/LeicaQ-distortion-Dolls.html

May 14, 2023 at 09:21 PM

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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · Leica Q3 Leaked Images and Specs

Fred Miranda wrote:
Thank you for the helpful information! From what I've gathered, the Q's 28/1.7 lens is considered to have a 24mm focal length with noticeable quasi-fisheye distortion when uncorrected. However, after correction, it behaves like a 26mm lens, which Leica refers to as 28mm. If this is true, it means shooting with it is similar to using a high distortion 24mm lens. Aside from rendering, the speed and actual focal length difference appear to be the main differentiating factors when comparing it to the 28/1.4 Lux.

I have experimented with an uncorrected Q2 DNG file and can confirm what Lloyd describes...Show more →

The Q is one of those cameras where you have to shoot your own shots with it and "let the Force guide you" to what you think about it

Looking at that uncorrected Q DNG is like being forced to watch video from a slaughterhouse while you eat your burger.

My biggest complaint about the Q2 had nothing to do with Leica but rather Adobe and Capture One's poor profiles they had for it early on. And I just never liked the Q2 interpretation of the SL2 sensor. I don't know what the difference was, but images taken with the SL2 I've downloaded looked different to me and not just because of the lens. It felt like the Q2 had a baked in tone curve. Whatever the case, the Q2 was one of those cameras I felt like I had to fight to get something I liked from it. The original Q was effortless – gorgeous color at base ISO and perfect profiles available from Adobe and Capture One.

May 14, 2023 at 09:36 PM

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I just got back from a great trip to the island of Mallorca, Spain. I've been pleasantly surprised with the Q2's results because of the uncomplimentary things I read about the 47MP sensor that it shares with the SL2 and Lumix S1R.

I was running the Q2 in tandem with either my M10-R or Sony A1 in the same scenes and the Q2's dynamic range and noise was not much worse. The Raws were just as easy to work with and they stood up well. BTW, Cobalt's "M10-R Embedded" profile is outstanding.

So now the Q3 comes on May 26th and it has a very impressive list of improvements. But given the positive performance I've just experienced with my Q2 on Mallorca I'm feeling conflicted about trading up. I think about the M11 circus act of bugs and I wonder if the Q3 will go down that same unfortunate path. My Q2 has been solid as a rock and I don't want to lose that. But that Q3 is quite the package.

May 15, 2023 at 07:16 PM

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p.2 #20 · p.2 #20 · Leica Q3 Leaked Images and Specs

I have the Q2M and am interested in the Q3 because presumably it will have better AF. However I have also read the original Q has better AF performance than the Q2. I wish I can try one for myself to know it’s better in what way. I don’t care for the extra pixels so a Q-P would be interesting and cheaper. I also read about sensor dust on the Q and wonder if it’s a huge issue. Time to do some research.

May 15, 2023 at 08:07 PM

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