p.5 #1 · Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
I would be tempted to go for the solid feeling of the brass option, though unsure if I want black paint and am not inclined to the silver option. I guess depends on the price difference too. This might be one to buy from Japan if the price there vs. here is several hundred dollars.
I'll wait to see your reviews to determine if it's a significant technical and character/rendering upgrade from the 35/1.7. It definitely addresses my dislike of the 35/1.7's physical design.
daviddestella wrote:
So does the consensus seem like it will probably be a focus-shifty lens like the prior 35mm f/1.4s?
No. The VM35/1.4s are in the 'classic' line which means they are more faithful in respect to optical qualities, to older 'vintage' lenses (confused yet?). Such lenses were under corrected for spherical aberrations, which in turn resulted in focus shift.
This VM35/1.5 is in the 'vintage' line of lenses which are designed with older styling but have modern, well corrected optics.
p.5 #2 · Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
As mentioned earlier in the thread, I also went with Type I. I have three 35mm (35/1.2 SE, 35/1.4, 35/2) native E-mount lenses from CV and the unique point of this one will be the small size and light weight and I hope the rendering will have unique qualities (like 35/1.7 VM). The adaptability to Sony (my A7C) will be a key point for me as well. I'm all about small and light lenses to pair with my small and light cameras (Sony A7C & Sigma fp) and the additional 96g weight would make this lens less appealing to me although I do like the feel of brass lenses too.
I used to have several CV 35mm lenses in VM and LTM before at different times (35/2.5 LTM, 35/1.7 LTM, 35/1.2 VM v1, 35.1 VM v2, 35/1.7 VM, 35/2 Ultron VM), but I no longer have any of them. I got rid of all my 35mm lenses in M/LTM over time but earlier this year I got the MS-Optics 35/1.3 Apoqualia Slim II. I feel there's room to add one more to my M/LTM set (currently it is heavily biased towards 50mm and 28mm lenses).
p.5 #4 · Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
I've had two M mount lenses only, both 35's, the excellent ZM C Biogon 35/2.8 and the CV 35/1.7 VM (Brass+Chrome).
The 35/2.8 was fantastic although I sometimes wanted a bit more speed for available light. It sure was stellar in good light and so compact. My copy of the 35/1.7 is also excellent although the ergonomics are not the best.
I don't have any budget in the near term or need to replace it but this looks like a pretty fantastic ergonomic improvement.
p.5 #5 · Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
I'm very curious to see how this lens performs at various distances. Even though I was told it performs even better than the 35/1.7 Ultron, I remain skeptical because the CV 35/1.5 is extremely light/small for a modern fast 35mm design. To put it in perspective, it weighs the same as the CV 35/1.4 II which is a 'classic/character' uncorrected design.
Having a 39mm filter thread with a large aperture could mean extreme vignetting (optical vignetting) as well. I mean, there is no free lunch and I would be surprised if the lens does not have a very noticeable mid-field dip or poor corners at wide apertures...There must be a compromise somewhere but I'm still hoping Cosina created something special for us.
p.5 #6 · Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
Given the announced specs for the 35, I'd expect to see results similar to the 28/2 Ultron II, for vignetting and field curvature. In other words, a tiny fast lens packed with goodness... ; - )
p.5 #7 · Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
My favorite lens is the CV 35mm Ultron 1.7. I've owned two, after I dropped the first one off a cliff in Alaska. But I dislike the weight and size of the lens. It makes the camera into a beast. So this is great news, or at least hopeful news. Does anyone know if there an option to preorder from Japan for delivery to the USA?
p.5 #8 · Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
Although I'm reassured by the experts that these VC models are not going to be "shifty lenses," to make 35s that fast and using a non-retrofocal, non FLE design is something Leica could not accomplish. While a non issue for liveview folks, for we who use RF for focusing, it will be important to know how the lens works so it can be determined whether this is an everyday 35 or a specialty item.
p.5 #9 · Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
IIRC aspherical elements help reduce spherical aberrations, which in turn helps control focus shift. FLE optimizes optical performance so that nearer distance image quality is similar to farther distances, where lenses are generally stronger/optimized. I guess it controls SA to a degree, which would help control focus shift, too.
My gut feeling is the 35/1.5 will be similar to the 50/1.5 in overall performance. Which means it should be really good value for the dollar.
p.5 #10 · Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
Cosina advertises the new 35/1.5 with wording that emphasizes the image quality even more than usual and I'm also hoping that it will be impressive even wide open and hopefully also at close range (35/1.7 was pretty strong even at 0.5m MFD).
"The lens is equipped with two double-sided aspherical lens elements, and it delivers extremely excellent optical performance from a maximum aperture of F1.5."
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Still waiting for the announcement regarding actual release date. I hope Cosina will announce that by end of this week.
p.5 #11 · Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
YumMango wrote:
My favorite lens is the CV 35mm Ultron 1.7. I've owned two, after I dropped the first one off a cliff in Alaska. But I dislike the weight and size of the lens. It makes the camera into a beast. So this is great news, or at least hopeful news. Does anyone know if there an option to preorder from Japan for delivery to the USA?
None of the Japanese online shops that I'm aware that offer pre-orders for the lens ship internationally to my knowledge and maybe Cosina doesn't allow their official Japan distributors to ship abroad since that would affect their international distributors...
p.5 #12 · Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
This seems to be an interesting option and I am very interested to see the performance on the thicker filter stack of the sony sensors. The flat frontlens looks more like newer 35mm calculations (FE35F18, Sigma 35 f1.4 DG DN) not so much as the older Voigtländer Classic Noktons or the Leica Summilux'. I realy like the photo samples by cosina and the promising lens diagram! An E-mount-version would be a pleasure!
Oct 25, 2022 at 11:31 AM
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p.5 #13 · Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
dieterson wrote:
This seems to be an interesting option and I am very interested to see the performance on the thicker filter stack of the sony sensors. The flat frontlens looks more like newer 35mm calculations (FE35F18, Sigma 35 f1.4 DG DN) not so much as the older Voigtländer Classic Noktons or the Leica Summilux'. I realy like the photo samples by cosina and the promising lens diagram! An E-mount-version would be a pleasure!
I am a bit underwhelmed by the photo samples and the lens diagram. Only a few samples and nothing that in my view challenges the lens or even shows much of the bokeh. The lens diagram does show those two double side aspherical but with no other special glass (such as anomalous partial dispersion, APD, glass) we can expect quite a bit of CA in the bokeh especially with such a wide aperture. That certainly isn't the end of the world as many lenses have that, but I just don't see the lens diagram as that innovative or something that is going to wow -- look at the 35 f/2 APO for that. I still think this will be a very nice lens that will be pretty sharp from wide open, but I am waiting for Fred's review to see the other details. What will the bokeh be like? What will the vignetting be like? Will it have a mid zone dip in sharpness? Will it have field curvature? If so what will be the nature of the field curvature? I expect there will be some weaknesses somewhere with such a small lens, but that is the tradeoff one should expect. I just want to see where the weaknesses lie and like others I do have my preferences for where I would like those weaknesses to be.
Given the optical diagram, have any guesses on what type of compromises we'll see? Something like the CV 50/1.5ii or more like the rendering based CV 35/1.2iii or otherwise?
Oct 26, 2022 at 04:36 PM
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p.5 #15 · Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
Given the optical diagram, have any guesses on what type of compromises we'll see? Something like the CV 50/1.5ii or more like the rendering based CV 35/1.2iii or otherwise?
Hi Nehemiah,
Given the optical design, I expect it to be fairly close to the CV 40 f/1.4. I kind of hope so, because I really like that lens, but on a Leica M you don't get 40mm frame lines. The compromises in that lens, which I used a lot in Sony FE mount, are as I see it corner weakness until well stopped down and even then not the greatest corners. It also has quite a bit of axial CA until stopped down to f/2.8 or so. It also has pretty high vignetting, and the lens loses sharpness as you focus closer. Despite these compromises it is has pretty decent central sharpness even wide open and fairly nice bokeh, and if you stop it down to f/5.6 or 6.3 it has pretty decent performance across the frame with pretty low aberrations. Another way to say it is that at or near wide open it is a pretty decent portrait lens and stopped down is it performs quite well for anything you would want to use it for. Of course 35 f/1.5 isn't that different from 40 f/1.4, so I am hoping for a 35 f/1.5 that is pretty similar to their 40 f/1.4 and the lens diagram suggests to me we might just get that as it is not too different from the 40 f/1.4.
p.5 #16 · Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
Steve Spencer wrote:
Hi Nehemiah,
Given the optical design, I expect it to be fairly close to the CV 40 f/1.4. I kind of hope so, because I really like that lens, but on a Leica M you don't get 40mm frame lines. The compromises in that lens, which I used a lot in Sony FE mount, are as I see it corner weakness until well stopped down and even then not the greatest corners. It also has quite a bit of axial CA until stopped down to f/2.8 or so. It also has pretty high vignetting, and the lens loses sharpness as you focus closer. Despite these compromises it is has pretty decent central sharpness even wide open and fairly nice bokeh, and if you stop it down to f/5.6 or 6.3 it has pretty decent performance across the frame with pretty low aberrations. Another way to say it is that at or near wide open it is a pretty decent portrait lens and stopped down is it performs quite well for anything you would want to use it for. Of course 35 f/1.5 isn't that different from 40 f/1.4, so I am hoping for a 35 f/1.5 that is pretty similar to their 40 f/1.4 and the lens diagram suggests to me we might just get that as it is not too different from the 40 f/1.4....Show more →
Hi Stephen,
Did you mean CV 40/1.2 Nokton? The 40/1.4 has a "classic" optical design similar to the Voigtlander 35/1.4 Nokton.
My expectation is for the new 35/1.5 to perform like the 35/1.2 @~f/1.7 --- they have similar optical formulas. (Link)
If that's the case, knowing the CV 35/1.2 III @f/1.7 performs similarly to the 35/1.7 Ultron at center, I do think the 35/1.5 will be a great performer.
I am wondering how well it will perform off-axis and how it renders scenes at various distances.
p.5 #17 · Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
Steve Spencer wrote:
Hi Nehemiah,
Given the optical design, I expect it to be fairly close to the CV 40 f/1.4. I kind of hope so, because I really like that lens, but on a Leica M you don't get 40mm frame lines. The compromises in that lens, which I used a lot in Sony FE mount, are as I see it corner weakness until well stopped down and even then not the greatest corners. It also has quite a bit of axial CA until stopped down to f/2.8 or so. It also has pretty high vignetting, and the lens loses sharpness as you focus closer. Despite these compromises it is has pretty decent central sharpness even wide open and fairly nice bokeh, and if you stop it down to f/5.6 or 6.3 it has pretty decent performance across the frame with pretty low aberrations. Another way to say it is that at or near wide open it is a pretty decent portrait lens and stopped down is it performs quite well for anything you would want to use it for. Of course 35 f/1.5 isn't that different from 40 f/1.4, so I am hoping for a 35 f/1.5 that is pretty similar to their 40 f/1.4 and the lens diagram suggests to me we might just get that as it is not too different from the 40 f/1.4....Show more →
Interesting Steve. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I am less intelligent with the optical diagrams than most here, so I just wait to look at images.
Given they have 3 versions of this lens with different materials, and CV is fine with doing MC vs SC and such for a particular lens, I do really with they'd release a "C" for compact version of theses lenses. Don't change a thing optically beyond larger elements to cut down on optical vignetting--bump this new new 35/1.5 with a 39mm thread to 49mm or 52mm for an alternative version. Just a thought/hope that won't happen. I personally dislike the high optical vignetting in lenses. And it seems a lot of other shooters do too.
Oct 26, 2022 at 05:42 PM
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p.5 #18 · Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
Fred Miranda wrote:
Hi Stephen,
Did you mean CV 40/1.2 Nokton? The 40/1.4 has a "classic" optical design similar to the Voigtlander 35/1.4 Nokton.
My expectation is for the new 35/1.5 to perform like the 35/1.2 @~f/1.7 --- they have similar optical formulas. (Link)
If that's the case, knowing the CV 35/1.2 III @f/1.7 performs similarly to the 35/1.7 Ultron at center, I do think the 35/1.5 will be a great performer.
I am wondering how well it will perform off-axis and how it renders scenes at various distances.
Yes, I did mean the CV 40 f/1.2. Not sure why I got that wrong, and yes I think that means it would be close to the 35 f/1.2 III as well. but I haven't owned that lens. They all have similar diagrams. Sorry about the mix up in the 40s.
Oct 26, 2022 at 06:16 PM
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p.5 #19 · Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
nehemiahphoto wrote:
Interesting Steve. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I am less intelligent with the optical diagrams than most here, so I just wait to look at images.
Given they have 3 versions of this lens with different materials, and CV is fine with doing MC vs SC and such for a particular lens, I do really with they'd release a "C" for compact version of theses lenses. Don't change a thing optically beyond larger elements to cut down on optical vignetting--bump this new new 35/1.5 with a 39mm thread to 49mm or 52mm for an alternative version. Just a thought/hope that won't happen. I personally dislike the high optical vignetting in lenses. And it seems a lot of other shooters do too....Show more →
I think they basically have that lens is the 35 f/1.2 III. It is bigger and has les vignetting and for you they even have it in FE mount. If you don't like this lens, then I think you might very much like that one.
p.5 #20 · Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
Steve Spencer wrote:
I think they basically have that lens is the 35 f/1.2 III. It is bigger and has les vignetting and for you they even have it in FE mount. If you don't like this lens, then I think you might very much like that one.
Yes—owned and shot it. But it’s much larger/heavier than this new guy. If this new one is a mini-me of the 35/40/50 1.2 formula, should be a winner.
