p.3 #1Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
Fred Miranda wrote:
Compared to the Leica 35/1.4 FLE, the new CV 35/1.5 is 10mm shorter and the Type I almost half the weight (188 vs 320g). The filter thread is also way smaller (39mm vs 46mm). The Type II Black Paint is made of Brass while the Leica is aluminum and it's still lighter! (284g vs 320g)
0.5 MFD..... Gonna have to train my ears to hear the Fred 'click'
p.3 #2Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
Look gorgeous. I’ll pre-order type 1 aluminum. This will couple nice with the 35 Lux Pre-ASPH. And both are tiny and can be carried together but offer different looks. The ZM 35/1.4 and 35 Lux ASPH aren’t too clean wide open, so this new CV’s size might be just fine rendering wise comparatively.
I am hoping we get an updated 75/2 to 2.4 CV lens.
p.3 #3Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
The new CV 35/1.5 Nokton optical design is similar to the CV 35/1.2 III Nokton with the same number of elements. Both are equipped with two double-sided asphericals at the same location. The f/1.5 lens is much smaller and lighter though.
None of these lenses have a floating system so I'm expecting great results wide open with the subject focused a mid-distance and lower resolution/contrast (higher SA) at close distance, especially MFD.
Here are both optical designs side by side:
TOP: CV 35/1.2 III Nokton
BOTTOM: CV 35/1.5 Nokton
As usual, this new CV will continue as a narrow or "longer" 35mm lens. I recall doing multiple controlled tests with many 35mm's--the RX1 and 35i are wide, the CV's run long.
p.3 #8Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
Fred Miranda wrote:
Looks really nice. Thanks for posting the links Juha!
12 aperture blades, take that Leica! 😁
On a serious note, maybe a little disappointed with no floating elements design but hope it'll have a bit of a vibe of the 40/1.2, which is part of the reason I love my 35cron asph v1, just wish it's faster so I can have character at 1.4 and sharp f2 for night city scape.
p.3 #10Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
Fred Miranda wrote:
Any guesses how much it will cost?
At Mapcamera it's listed for￥88,200 which today translates to US$ 592.79
My guess is U$899 (same price as the CV 28/2 II)
Official Japan price for the Type 1 is 110000 and Type II is 120000 yen. For comparison, official Japan price of 50/1.5 II is 100000 for the plain and 115000 for the Panda version. It seems original U.S. price for the 2 50/1.5 II were 949$ and 1049$ so the new 35/1.5 might also be up there, unless the strong dollar is taken more into account in U.S. pricing now. Japan price of the lens looks really cheap now since yen is at a record low vs. USD, but compared to other CV lenses it's pretty much aligned and higher than e.g. 50/1.5 II ever was.
Official price of 28/2 II (both versions) in Japan has been 100000 yen, and it was around 10% cheaper than the new 35/1.5 at launch. Nowadays the brass Type II versions can be bought as new at 70+K yen whereas the Type I version has been sticking to 88K yen (street price) for some reason.
p.3 #12Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
How do we think this will compare with the 35/1.4 Nokton II that's the same weight (aluminum version)? With the aspherical elements it should show less spherical-aberration glow when wide open but with the front filter being 39mm vs 43mm of the 35/1.4 Nokton II I'm worried there will be more vignetting wide open with the smaller front element..
p.3 #13Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
Juha Kannisto wrote: Fred Miranda wroteAny guesses how much it will cost?
At Mapcamera it's listed for￥88,200 which today translates to US$ 592.79
My guess is U$899 (same price as the CV 28/2 II)Official Japan price for the Type 1 is 110000 and Type II is 120000 yen. For comparison, official Japan price of 50/1.5 II is 100000 for the plain and 115000 for the Panda version. It seems original U.S. price for the 2 50/1.5 II were 949$ and 1049$ so the new 35/1.5 might also be up there, unless the strong dollar is taken more into account in U.S. pricing now. Japan price of the lens looks really cheap now since yen is at a record low vs. USD, but compared to other CV lenses it's pretty much aligned and higher than e.g. 50/1.5 II ever was.
Official price of 28/2 II (both versions) in Japan has been 100000 yen, and it was around 10% cheaper than the new 35/1.5 at launch. Nowadays the brass Type II versions can be bought as new at 70+K yen whereas the Type I version has been sticking to 88K yen (street price) for some reason....Show more →
The Type II is listed for €1099 in Germany, although 120.000 yen would only be around €829. I would expect the US price to be similar to the €-price or slightly lower, maybe $999?
p.3 #16Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
The relatively compact size of this new lens has my attention, and, there are the two aspherical elements, too. As much as I really do love the Zeiss Distagon 1,4/35mm ZM, there are times when a smaller 35mm lens would be desirable.
p.3 #17Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
Steve Spencer wrote: fededuran wrote24mm is also a gap for CV and one of my favorites FL, but there's hard competition there (24 gm and 25 lox) in the sony e-mount.
Juha Kannisto wrotephilip_pj wrote'Long holidays for CV in terms of e-mount offerings.'
It looks more like the long (and unspoken) goodbye, as seen in the Zeiss weather vane modality. Either way, transparency is not a strong point, or even a thing at all. Recall that Sony was the only game in mirrorless town when Cosina got serious in 2017. Despite Sony inviting off-brand lens producers back then, Nikon is really the traditional SLR manual focus brand, of those left standing.
It's likely that new releases of the only full frame cross-brand MF maker will soon be directed their way, perhaps exclusively. Sony users might best be 'glass half full' on what they have received, and 'glass half empty' for the future.
If so, a small but serious set of users will continue to migrate to Nikon over time, and E-Z adapters are available for their CV-E lenses. It won't work in reverse, you can't turn an FFD of 16mm into an FFD of 18mm. Cosina might have found a better mass market home, going forward. Their longer-than-50mm portrait/telephoto lens cupboard is still bare, the 75mm (an M lens) excepted. They are a capricious firm.Based on lens sales info for Japan, Cosina's FF Z-mount lenses are not really outselling their Sony counterparts and the Sony versions were peaking much higher in the charts when they were new and fresh. Even now the E-mount versions are still holding their own. I wouldn't expect Cosina to move towards Nikon Z exclusivity based on that, but I think they want to be an early mover in Z-mount 3rd party lenses and try to maximize their sales while there is not yet as much competition, so they may be continuing to close the gaps between their E-mount and Z-mount FF offerings for a while now. So far they have been picking their E-mount all time best-sellers for Z-mount FF first and I'm curious where they will go from there.
I think in the future when they are ready to bring out an entirely new mirrorless FF lens they'd bring it out in both mounts.
Sadly they don't seem to put much stock on covering the 28mm FL for mirrorless, which is the one I'm personally missing in their mirrorless lineup most.And on Leica M mount the 24 f/3.8 Asph is pretty spectacular and relatively inexpensive for a current Leica M, and the latest 24 f/2.8 is also an excellent lens. The Zeiss ZM 25 f/2.8 is also a very nice lens and can be had at a quite decent price. I think Voigtlander will eventually build a 24 or 25 for Leica M mount again, but it is not as though it is a hole for the mount. There are some really nice alternatives.
Just one minor point: The Leica Elmar-M 24mm f/3.8 ASPH is, indeed, quite spectacularly good, but, sadly, it is no longer “current.” Leica is not producing 24mm M lenses, at this time.
I only recently discovered this Elmar-M 24mm f/3.8 ASPH lens, finding a pristine pre-owned sample, and was so impressed that I searched for, and found, another one, similarly well-preserved, and bought it, too, as a hedge against mishaps and loss, as the ending production will make future acquisition more difficult. (The only true insurance “policy” is a spare lens.) Plus, now and then, I like to shoot with an M10 and an M Type 246 Monochrom, at the same time, with identical lenses affixed to each. Most you-tubers, and other prominent influencers, had not yet “discovered” the Elmar-M 24mm ASPH, at the time I found mine, so, I did not have to pay collectors’ prices.
I had actually acquired a pre-owned Zeiss 25mm ZM just before I bought my Leica Elmar-M 24mm ASPH lenses, and the latter have occupied my attention to the extent that the Zeiss sits, unused, though every millimeter of focal length, wider than 28mm or so, makes a significant difference, so, I will try to work with the Zeiss, soon.
p.3 #19Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lanthar 65/2
fjablo wrote: Juha Kannisto wroteFred Miranda wroteAny guesses how much it will cost?
At Mapcamera it's listed for￥88,200 which today translates to US$ 592.79
My guess is U$899 (same price as the CV 28/2 II)Official Japan price for the Type 1 is 110000 and Type II is 120000 yen. For comparison, official Japan price of 50/1.5 II is 100000 for the plain and 115000 for the Panda version. It seems original U.S. price for the 2 50/1.5 II were 949$ and 1049$ so the new 35/1.5 might also be up there, unless the strong dollar is taken more into account in U.S. pricing now. Japan price of the lens looks really cheap now since yen is at a record low vs. USD, but compared to other CV lenses it's pretty much aligned and higher than e.g. 50/1.5 II ever was.
Official price of 28/2 II (both versions) in Japan has been 100000 yen, and it was around 10% cheaper than the new 35/1.5 at launch. Nowadays the brass Type II versions can be bought as new at 70+K yen whereas the Type I version has been sticking to 88K yen (street price) for some reason.The Type II is listed for €1099 in Germany, although 120.000 yen would only be around €829. I would expect the US price to be similar to the €-price or slightly lower, maybe $999?
Usually the brass versions costs $100 more than the aluminum. Since the dollar/euro are pretty much equal now, perhaps the pricing will be around U$999 (aluminum) and U$1,099 (brass).
I'll be fine though if it comes in under $1,100. 
